WLM and Eternal-September

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DGDevin

The problem isn't annoying only you, it's annoying everyone else trying
to follow a thread with broken quoting and that's why WLM gets so much
venom.
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Sure, I understand that, but I don't let it do that even if it takes a
moment to ">" a few lines.
You're looking at maybe 10 minutes to download and configure something
like Xnews so it can be used, more tuning can be accomplished later
after SHMBO is happy with the living room, We all understand that your
continued happiness depends on HER continued happiness. <G>
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You got that right, I'm still painting the trim here and there to get
everything perfect. And then there's re-hanging the pictures, and getting
the new furniture positioned just right.... I gotta admit I do like the new
couch, very snoozeable.
That 10 minutes is probably less time than you're spending manually
inserting the > characters.
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Xnews huh? I'll take a look.
 
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XS11E

DGDevin said:
Xnews huh? I'll take a look.
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Visit news.software.readers for all the help you'll ever need and here:

http://twovoyagers.com/blinkynet.net/comp/ndx_windows.html

Look at the Xnews section, the late Blinky the Shark was one of the
very helpful people in news.software.readers and much of his
information has been preserved.

Here he explains why you need the 'test' version after installing the
'current' version:

http://twovoyagers.com/blinkynet.net/comp/xnewsrels.html

Oh, and BTW, SHMBO is the phonetic version! She Hoo Must Be Obeyed.

Are you buying that? If so, wanna buy a bridge?
 
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Char Jackson

Huh, that figures. I used to have Word, came bundled with some MS package
that apparently won't install under Win 7. I sure wish I'd stuck with XP.
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AFAIK, "bundled with some MS package" refers to some version of
Microsoft Office. There are versions that work fine with Win 7,
including 2003, 2007, and 2010.
 
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Zaphod Beeblebrox

Gene E. Bloch said:
Especially if said person adds greater-than signs to the already
quoted lines as well, to properly indicate the level of nesting.
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Indeed, which is what I meant by "manually add attribution marks"
though apparently that wasn't clear. My apologies.
 
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DGDevin

AFAIK, "bundled with some MS package" refers to some version of
Microsoft Office. There are versions that work fine with Win 7,
including 2003, 2007, and 2010.
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I have to take another look and see if some of the software in that bundle
will still work, I put it aside when warned one title wasn't Win 7
compatible. If Word is still okay then I might as well install it.
 
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DGDevin

I did a quick web search and didn't see a Win 7 version, do you run Xnews
under Win 7?
Oh, and BTW, SHMBO is the phonetic version! She Hoo Must Be Obeyed.
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I'm familiar with SWMBO from ROTB, and personal experience confirms it.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

I have to take another look and see if some of the software in that bundle
will still work, I put it aside when warned one title wasn't Win 7
compatible. If Word is still okay then I might as well install it.
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I still use my old MS Office 2003 with Windows 7. Word and Excel are
fine, but I haven't used the other apps, so I can't say how they
behave.

I have downloaded Microsoft's free compatibility stuff to help with
newer formats, but to tell the truth, I have never seen them at work. I
don't remember any details of how I added that stuff, beyond that I
just did the obvious - went to Microsoft.com, searched, downloaded,
installed.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Indeed, which is what I meant by "manually add attribution marks" though
apparently that wasn't clear. My apologies.
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Actually, I was digging at "said person", rather than at you. Your
unnecessary apology is graciously accepted, however.

....I enjoyed writing that little passive-voice sentence :)
 
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XS11E

DGDevin said:
I did a quick web search and didn't see a Win 7 version, do you
run Xnews under Win 7?
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It works fine but like Vista it avoids problems if you install it in
it's own directory rather than the default. I use a separate partition
on the HD for Xnews and my email program(s).
 
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...winston

"Zaphod Beeblebrox" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
Not broken by intention...but not fixed in the first 6 private betas or the
public beta then removed by intent in the initial 2011 RTW version...never
to be revisited again. Live (Hotmail, Messenger, SkyDrive, integration
across apps) drives the 'Essentials-mobile'.


Oddly enough 'attribution marks/greater than signs' are still supported (in
plain text) in the Hotmail UI.

It all boils down to relevance - half a billion users on the Messenger side,
nearly as many on the Hotmail side with the ability to deploy revenue
generating ads vs. a declining nntp population (the latter due to web
support forums, many difficult to navigate...seems like a new one springs up
every day) - which dictates where the resources and budget are deployed.
Unfortunate ? Yes. Subject to Change ? Unlikely.
 
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Zaphod Beeblebrox

...winston said:
"Zaphod Beeblebrox" wrote in message
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No, I did not write that. Someone else wrote it ("DGDevin"
<[email protected]> in message
I only quoted it. Please, in the
future correctly attribute quotes to their author. Since you quoted
something 4 levels deep, the author attribution should have matched.

Actually, since you were replying to someone else entirely, you should
have done back up thread to the original post and replied to it. I
would have thought an MVP would know better.
 
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Nil

No, I did not write that. Someone else wrote it ("DGDevin"
<[email protected]> in message
I only quoted it. Please, in
the future correctly attribute quotes to their author. Since you
quoted something 4 levels deep, the author attribution should have
matched.

Actually, since you were replying to someone else entirely, you
should have done back up thread to the original post and replied
to it. I would have thought an MVP would know better.
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He's using a broken newsreader tool. It's almost impossible to quote
something like that in an understandable, unambiguous way with it. This
is a perfect example of what a disaster WLM2011 is.
 
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...winston

"Zaphod Beeblebrox" wrote in message
No, I did not write that. Someone else wrote it ("DGDevin"
<[email protected]> in message
I only quoted it. Please, in the
future correctly attribute quotes to their author. Since you quoted
something 4 levels deep, the author attribution should have matched.

Actually, since you were replying to someone else entirely, you should
have done back up thread to the original post and replied to it. I
would have thought an MVP would know better.

--
Zaphod



You're correct. Snipped incorrectly even though the 'attribution marks'
indicating the correct source were present. Apologies.
Know better ? Yes. Usually accurate, Yes. Infallible, No.
 
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DGDevin

It all boils down to relevance - half a billion users on the Messenger
side, nearly as many on the Hotmail side with the ability to deploy
revenue generating ads vs. a declining nntp population (the latter due to
web support forums, many difficult to navigate...seems like a new one
springs up every day) - which dictates where the resources and budget are
deployed. Unfortunate ? Yes. Subject to Change ? Unlikely.
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Where's the author of QuoteFix when you need him?

I like Usenet because it's so easy to use, web forums are as you say, often
difficult to navigate. But it's a dying institution, sad to say.
 
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Dave \Crash\ Dummy

DGDevin said:
Where's the author of QuoteFix when you need him?

I like Usenet because it's so easy to use, web forums are as you say, often
difficult to navigate. But it's a dying institution, sad to say.
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Forums suck. Usenet offers information and discourse, forums offer ads.
 
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DGDevin

Forums suck. Usenet offers information and discourse, forums offer ads.
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I read several web forums about music which are private labors of love and
thus free of advertising. But I find them clunky and awkward to use, and
the addition of flashy graphics and so on doesn't compensate for that. As
for Microsoft's help forums, good grief, it's like navigating across Asia
blindfolded, I can't even find my own posts much less anything else. I
believe the NY Atty. Gen. is partly to blame for the state of Usenet in that
he convinced several big ISPs to drop news due to binary groups being used
to distribute child porn--as if dropping all of Usenet made more sense than
just getting rid of the binary groups.
 
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...winston

"DGDevin" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
Where's the author of QuoteFix when you need him?
I like Usenet because it's so easy to use, web forums are as you say,
often difficult to navigate. But it's a dying institution, sad to say.
Click to expand...

Agreed, Usenet has its advantages. On the other hand company provided web
based support forums where a posted email address is automatically hidden,
accessing an account (with permission by the poster) by Support personnel
the and subsequent ability (when necessary) to take a conversation private
could never be accomplished via nntp. There's pros and cons of anything..as
I mentioned previously, both provide a mechanism for support and
communication but in reality for the majority its just another form of
social interactive discretionary entertainment with many (after time)
becoming off-topic fodder (maybe just like this thread).

Once Windows 8 arrives with its Mango approach and Live ID integration
across pcs/devices another topic for discussion (I call it the RC* factor -
Resistance to Change factor) will become prevalent in both types of forums.
* RC - not to be confused with my good friend RC who occasionally posts in
this forum.

Lol..Quote Fix ? It's been years since any new code or the author
appeared....another dying (or soon to be no longer applicable) application.
 
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R. C. White

Hi, Winston.

You rang? (A la Maynard G. Krebs, friend of Dobie Gillis)

RC = Resistance to Change?

I'll have to add that to my collection, which starts with Royal Crown Cola,
of course, and includes many others, such as Remote Control, Real Crazy and
Release Candidate. ;<)

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
[email protected]
Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2011 (Build 15.4.3538.0513) in Win7 Ultimate x64 SP1


"...winston" wrote in message
"DGDevin" wrote in message news:[email protected]...
Where's the author of QuoteFix when you need him?
I like Usenet because it's so easy to use, web forums are as you say,
often difficult to navigate. But it's a dying institution, sad to say.
Click to expand...

Agreed, Usenet has its advantages. On the other hand company provided web
based support forums where a posted email address is automatically hidden,
accessing an account (with permission by the poster) by Support personnel
the and subsequent ability (when necessary) to take a conversation private
could never be accomplished via nntp. There's pros and cons of anything..as
I mentioned previously, both provide a mechanism for support and
communication but in reality for the majority its just another form of
social interactive discretionary entertainment with many (after time)
becoming off-topic fodder (maybe just like this thread).

Once Windows 8 arrives with its Mango approach and Live ID integration
across pcs/devices another topic for discussion (I call it the RC* factor -
Resistance to Change factor) will become prevalent in both types of forums.
* RC - not to be confused with my good friend RC who occasionally posts in
this forum.

Lol..Quote Fix ? It's been years since any new code or the author
appeared....another dying (or soon to be no longer applicable) application.
 
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