WLM and Eternal-September

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

If you type the "greater than" characters (they aren't chevrons, by
the way) yourself, all my objections to the use of Windows Live Mail
go away, and I won't killfile you. I'm not really against Windows
Live
Mail; I'm against the absence of the >s.

To me, manually inserting the >s instead of using a program that
does
it for you is just extra work for nothing, but if it doesn't bother
you, it's fine with me.

Likewise - if someone is set on using WLM (for what reason, I can't
fathom) but is willing to manually add attribution marks, then more
power to them. I doubt many folks will killfile someone who does
that, and neither will I.

--
Zaphod

Arthur: All my life I've had this strange feeling that there's
something big and sinister going on in the world.
Slartibartfast: No, that's perfectly normal paranoia. Everyone in the
universe gets that.

 

[DGDevin]

I strongly suggest that you post your query in eternal-september.support.
The chap who runs it has a heart of gold and an extremely responsible
attitude. And that encourages everyone else to follow suit.
You'll get answers about both WLM and OE in there.

Ed

Tried that, was told it looked like I'd done everything right, but I can
still only read E-S groups in WLM (which I entirely agree is broken).

 

[DGDevin]

Just out of interest I've done the following.
I have OE running under XP inside VMware on this Win7 system. I added the
E-S account with my user name & password, ticked the "server requires me
to log on" box, subscribed to a NG, closed OE, went back in and connected
with no request for a password.

Ed

Thanks for trying that. I don't know what's happening, but whenever I try
to use OE in XP Mode to connect to Eternal-September I have to manually
enter the password, I don't know what else to do to make it stick.

While I'm ln the subject of OE in XP Mode, any idea of how to turn on
spell-check? "Spelling" is greyed-out on the message screen.

 

[DGDevin]

If I announced that I intended to commute 80 miles round trip to work
every day...on roller skates...and someone suggested I use a car
instead, I'd consider that good advice. But that's just me.

Heh, good one.

 

[DGDevin]

...and he's also on the path of the bozo bin.

Let me get this straight, because I use a piece of software you disapprove
of and ask for help configuring it to work with a particular news server,
that qualifies me for the killfile?

Yikes.

 

[DGDevin]

More accurate comparison, if you were trying to adjust the carb on your
Chevy with a chisel, I'd tell you to get a screw driver, that would be
considered helpful.

Wouldn't happen, my chisels were made in Japan and cost way too much to be
used as screwdrivers. Actually I wouldn't even use a cheap chisel for that.
I've also stuck with fuel injection for many years.

You're using a broken tool, non-broken tools are available for free,
get one or, if you insist on using a broken tool, at least go back a
few versions of WLM to one that's not so horribly broken.

I get all that, I've participated in discussions on this particular flaw in
WLM here in the past. When I get around to figuring out which newsreader I
should be using (recent weeks have been occupied with revovating our living
room) I'll most likely switch if the situation annoys me enough. In the
meantime I thought I'd ask if anyone had seen this problem before and how
they fixed it. I kind of expected an outburst of Microsoftiphobia
however--at least the switch-to-a-different-operating-system crowd didn't
jump in.

 

[Nil]

While I'm ln the subject of OE in XP Mode, any idea of how to turn
on spell-check? "Spelling" is greyed-out on the message screen.

As I recall, you have to have MS Office installed to use the spell
check feature.

 

[Nil]

Tried that, was told it looked like I'd done everything right, but
I can still only read E-S groups in WLM (which I entirely agree is
broken).

It's obviously feeding e-s the wrong credentials. Try deleting the
account and recreating it.

 

[Leala]

As I recall, you have to have MS Office installed to use the spell
check feature.

Spell checker for OE6 without installation of office:
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/spelloe.html

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

I get all that, I've participated in discussions on this particular flaw in
WLM here in the past. When I get around to figuring out which newsreader I
should be using (recent weeks have been occupied with revovating our living
room) I'll most likely switch if the situation annoys me enough. In the
meantime I thought I'd ask if anyone had seen this problem before and how
they fixed it. I kind of expected an outburst of Microsoftiphobia
however--at least the switch-to-a-different-operating-system crowd didn't
jump in.

I think you should switch to a Mac.

....Yes, I saw the above remark of yours as a call to jump into the fray


And before I forget, and also before you get annoyed, no, I'm not
serious.

 

[XS11E]

I've participated in discussions on this
particular flaw in WLM here in the past. When I get around to
figuring out which newsreader I should be using (recent weeks have
been occupied with revovating our living room) I'll most likely
switch if the situation annoys me enough.

The problem isn't annoying only you, it's annoying everyone else trying
to follow a thread with broken quoting and that's why WLM gets so much
venom.

You're looking at maybe 10 minutes to download and configure something
like Xnews so it can be used, more tuning can be accomplished later
after SHMBO is happy with the living room, We all understand that your
continued happiness depends on HER continued happiness. <G>

That 10 minutes is probably less time than you're spending manually
inserting the > characters.

 

[XS11E]

I think you should switch to a Mac.

Which one, the McChicken and the McDouble are both on the dollar menu?

And since the subject came up, I haven't seen a Linux troll recently,
have I succeded in score filing all of them?

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

That's a false analogy. People can have different opinions about
which is the better car, but they both do provide transportation.

A better analogy is if you asked for help adjusting the carb on a
Chevy with fused pistons(*), and we pointed out that until you
replace the engine adjusting the carburetor is not going to do you
any good.

(*) If that makes no sense, pick any mode of catastrophic engine
failure.

Been there...

A few decades ago I was going with someone who had a sports car. One
day she couldn't start the car when she was ready to go leave work. She
said her car was making a series of clicking noises when the ignition
was on, and I told her that it sounded to me like a cracked diaphragm
in the electric fuel pump. She said no, she had replaced the starter
before so that's what she was going to do now, so I asked if the engine
cranked OK. She said yes.

It turned out that she was out of gas. I pointed out that having no
fuel explained the sound she heard, since it was another way to not
pump gas. I hadn't thought of that, not realizing she could let that
happen. I also pointed out that since the engine cranked OK, there was
nothing wrong with the starter. And I emphasized that lack of fuel
fully explained the car's inability to start.

She replaced the starter.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Which one, the McChicken and the McDouble are both on the dollar menu?

And since the subject came up, I haven't seen a Linux troll recently,
have I succeded in score filing all of them?

I haven't noticed much of that either, and I rarely plonk anyone. We
can hope, I guess

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Likewise - if someone is set on using WLM (for what reason, I can't fathom)
but is willing to manually add attribution marks, then more power to them. I
doubt many folks will killfile someone who does that, and neither will I.

Especially if said person adds greater-than signs to the already quoted
lines as well, to properly indicate the level of nesting.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

On Sat, 3 Dec 2011 14:31:40 -0500, Stan Brown

That was very well said. Good job.

+1

 

[SC Tom]

The problem isn't annoying only you, it's annoying everyone else trying
to follow a thread with broken quoting and that's why WLM gets so much
venom.

You're looking at maybe 10 minutes to download and configure something
like Xnews so it can be used, more tuning can be accomplished later
after SHMBO is happy with the living room, We all understand that your
continued happiness depends on HER continued happiness. <G>

That 10 minutes is probably less time than you're spending manually
inserting the > characters.

Shouldn't that SWMBO (that's what my owner is )?

And in reply to your other reply, you may have gotten all the Linites, or they may have finally given up, although I
find that hard to believe. Maybe they were all struck by some virus that affected only Linux machines Wouldn't that
be a hoot?

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Shouldn't that SWMBO (that's what my owner is )?

And in reply to your other reply, you may have gotten all the Linites, or
they may have finally given up, although I find that hard to believe. Maybe
they were all struck by some virus that affected only Linux machines
Wouldn't that be a hoot?

Another time when I'm glad I didn't have a mouthful of coffee!

It would be a hoot, for sure

 

[DGDevin]

As I recall, you have to have MS Office installed to use the spell
check feature.

Huh, that figures. I used to have Word, came bundled with some MS package
that apparently won't install under Win 7. I sure wish I'd stuck with XP.

 

[DGDevin]

My wife uses one, she has at least as much trouble as I do with my PC.
Lately she uses her new iPad more than her Mac.

And before I forget, and also before you get annoyed, no, I'm not serious.

I've yet to be annoyed in this thread, perhaps a little puzzled at times. I
could understand if anyone could find a single post in which I let WLM not
quote properly, but I just don't do that.