Update KB890830 disables Windows Mail

[Dabbler]

Here's a copy of the list, but you'll have to go to
http://download.live.com to download them:

Programs you can download include:
Messenger
Mail
Writer
Photo Gallery
Movie Maker
Family Safety
Toolbar

Additional programs:
Microsoft Office Outlook® Connector
Office Live Add-in
Microsoft Silverlight

Thanks. First I thought it was all-or-nothing deal but it looks I
can pick from it whichever I want. Besides the Mail, Writer and
Silverlight looks like a good candidate for me.

 

[Andy]

"Don" wrote...

On my new VAIO notebook, Win7 came with "Windows Live Mail" which
talks to all my SMTP accounts AND reads NNTP just fine. I am posting
this message in Win7 from (included) Windows Live Mail.

My OEM copy of Win7 did not come with WLM, but it is available for free
download as part of the "Windows Live Essentials".

http://home.live.com


My emails strategy is to use a fake asd.alsdj.dljs in place of
smtp.actual.net for outgoing emails.

Why? So spyware or keyware can't possibly send mail out to them
successfully.

Andy

 

[R. C. White]

Hi, Richard.

It's too bad that Help | Check for Updates does not clarify that new Windows
Live builds are not delivered this way, or via Windows Updates. But
millions of users - including myself - have downloaded the current build
from http://download.live.com

Go to that site and see for yourself.

Sony probably added the latest version available at the time they built your
VAIO, but there have been at least two later builds of WLM since then. For
peer-to-peer support of Windows Live Mail, go to the newsgroup on the
Microsoft public news server, which is free and does not require you to log
on. Just click this link:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop

Ignore the word "desktop" in the NG name; that word was dropped from the
name of Windows Live Mail over 2 years ago while the application was still
in beta, but it's very hard to change the name of a Usenet newsgroup.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Check out what you've got inside C:\Program Files\Windows Mail.
Don't click on Windowsmail.exe, though. It just won't run.
Now, Isn't that fun?

It runs on my computer, but it also shows some test mails from me to me
dated last August, so I guess I played with it (maybe I had to install
it at that time) and then forgot it.

It also offers to get me the newsgroup list from Microsoft, which I
guess is news.microsoft.com. I didn't investigate it, though, because
it's too late to start something that might frustrate me

 

[Speaking in silver]

Seeing that Windows 7 does not come with any mail or news client installed
I
fail to see how they are "pushing" Windows Live Mail on to their users.

I thought "Live Essentials" was downloaded automatically by W7 Update.
Maybe I'm wrong (?)

There's no forced Windows Live login and identity creation and no forced
download and
install of any of the Windows Live apps, of which WLM is but one.

LOL! A lot of suits and lawyers from Microsoft seem to be reading this NG!
Even from Alberta!... just kidding
So I see I must be careful not to say words like "push" or "force"...

The last time Microsoft was caught "pushing" or "forcing"
they had to pay millions:

http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/...497-million-euro-fine-by-european-commission/
http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/...t-illegally-ties-browser-to-operating-system/
http://www.infoworld.com/d/applications/microsoft-pushing-ie8-down-peoples-throats-619

So this time they're being sneakier, they just...
how shall I put it... "encourage" us to install WLM ?

Sorry, my English is not so good as to speak in legal terms.
I don't know if it's a crime, but I just find it annoying.

Complaining that a version of Windows Mail designed explicitly for a
different MS OS doesn't work properly on your system after a standard
Windows 7 Security Update is like complaining that the alternator I bought
for my '04 Chevy Avalanche doesn't work properly on my '09 Avalanche. MS
is
not compelled, nor should they be, to insure that software
bundled and designed to function with a previous specific version of
Windows
is 100% compatible with Windows 7.

Will Chevrolet "update" your new '09 Avalanche from time to time, replacing
some of the original parts you bought for others of a different size and
quality? ... Still, that's not my point, I understand what you mean and I'm
certainly not asking for support for WM on W7. I wasn't complaining, but
just warning other people who are using WM like myself.

It was a gift that it could be tweakeda
to work. Get over it and use another mail client or roll back to Vista if
Windows Mail is that critical to your existence.

It's not really a big deal, you know, I use Newsbin/Newsleecher for binary
NG's and many different programs for text NG's and email. This thing about
WM and WLM has nothing to do with my personal needs, but with Microsoft ways
and ethics.

Thanks for your comments, greatly appreciated

 

[Speaking in silver]

This sounds like one of those PICNIC situations.
Problem In Chair Not In Computer.

XDDD Nice joke, I'll use it with my colleagues.
Not having any problem myself, though
____________________________

By the way, not related to the above, I see you're using Giganews, which
I've been using too, for the last few years.
I recently moved to Astraweb, which I found to be cheaper for my needs
http://www.astraweb.com/
Happy if it helps.

And thanks again for the joke

 

[Alex Clayton]

I thought "Live Essentials" was downloaded automatically by W7 Update.
Maybe I'm wrong (?)


LOL! A lot of suits and lawyers from Microsoft seem to be reading this NG!
Even from Alberta!... just kidding
So I see I must be careful not to say words like "push" or "force"...

The last time Microsoft was caught "pushing" or "forcing"
they had to pay millions:

http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/...497-million-euro-fine-by-european-commission/
http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/...t-illegally-ties-browser-to-operating-system/
http://www.infoworld.com/d/applications/microsoft-pushing-ie8-down-peoples-throats-619

So this time they're being sneakier, they just...
how shall I put it... "encourage" us to install WLM ?

Sorry, my English is not so good as to speak in legal terms.
I don't know if it's a crime, but I just find it annoying.


Will Chevrolet "update" your new '09 Avalanche from time to time,
replacing some of the original parts you bought for others of a different
size and quality? ... Still, that's not my point, I understand what you
mean and I'm certainly not asking for support for WM on W7. I wasn't
complaining, but just warning other people who are using WM like myself.


It's not really a big deal, you know, I use Newsbin/Newsleecher for binary
NG's and many different programs for text NG's and email. This thing about
WM and WLM has nothing to do with my personal needs, but with Microsoft
ways and ethics.

Thanks for your comments, greatly appreciated

MS is a business. Like any good one, they want to find way to make money. Of
course a lot of what they do is going to attract Lawyers. If you make real
money, there is going to be a lot of people with their hand out wanting
some. It's the price you pay to be successful. There are NO big companies,
who make money for their stock holders who do not have to employ a small
army of Lawyers. This cost is just passed along to the people who buy their
stuff.
I would be happy if MS had left XP, and OE, but such is life. You either
use their stuff, which means buying new stuff, buying or using some
competitors stuff, or working with the old stuff. Such is life.

 

[Geordie]

I hope you not feeling pushed means you've found better software for email
and news. Lucky you.

Unfortunately, many people have felt "compelled" to use WLM.
I'll just quote some recent messages here:

<snip>

I don't use WLM, The Bat Pro is my email client and Agent is my
newsreader and, backup email client.
So no one is compelled to use it at all.

 

[Richard Crowley]

"R. C. White" wrote...

The current version on that Download site is Version 2009 (Build
14.0.8089.0726), released last July. While many of us users complain of
the pale pastel color scheme and a couple of other "features", this latest
version is, overall, the best to date.

I downloaded the current update, but I don't see any cosmetic
or functional difference?

Perhaps just because I'm an old fogey, but I don't appreciate
the trend towards more "white space", huge subject line fonts,
etc. Having started in computing just after "unit record equip"
I prefer my information single-spaced so I don't have to
scroll up and down to see everything. ;-)

I also hate having my different SMTP accounts all handled
separately with separate folders, etc. Perhaps I don't care
which account the mail came from.

Also, I didn't see any way to specify that I wanted ONLY
the email app, and not the rest of the Live package. I was
trying to keep the buildup of Windows cruft from happening
so quickly on this new machine, but apparently it is as bad
as ever, perhaps worse. Yes, I feel I was _forced_ to install
all the rest of the "Live" family even though I don't want any
of the other pieces, indeed I don't know or care what they
are.

 

[Top]

"R. C. White" wrote...

I downloaded the current update, but I don't see any cosmetic
or functional difference?

Perhaps just because I'm an old fogey, but I don't appreciate
the trend towards more "white space", huge subject line fonts,
etc. Having started in computing just after "unit record equip"
I prefer my information single-spaced so I don't have to
scroll up and down to see everything. ;-)

What would the younger generation do if they were limited to a 75 baud modem? I remember
Hayes selling a 300 baud modem for around $640.00. I still have the magazine with the advert
for it somewhere.

Ed

 

[KissThis]

I hope you not feeling pushed means you've found better software for
email and news. Lucky you.

Unfortunately, many people have felt "compelled" to use WLM.
I'll just quote some recent messages here:

- Ivan: "Since using windows 7 I have been forced to download and use
Windows Live Mail ".

- Richard Crowley: "On my new VAIO notebook, Win7 came with Windows Live
Mail".

Not to mention that little shoddy piece of work,
the "C:\Program Files\Windows Mail" folder...

Isn't it all too obvious?

You haven't been pushed to use anything. The fact you're not smart
enough to download and use what you want is your problem. As to being
"FORCED" to download and use something that's a lie. Also is a lie that
Windows 7 came with Windows Mail. It did not. Take your whining back
to the basement and go play with yourself in the corner some more you
moron.

 

[KissThis]

"Don" wrote...

On my new VAIO notebook, Win7 came with "Windows Live Mail" which
talks to all my SMTP accounts AND reads NNTP just fine. I am posting
this message in Win7 from (included) Windows Live Mail.
My OEM copy of Win7 did not come with WLM, but it is available for free
download as part of the "Windows Live Essentials". http://home.live.com

It may have come with your notebook but it didn't come with Windows 7.

 

[KissThis]

Windows Live Mail as well as the rest of Windows Live Essentials works
perfectly well and considering they are 'free' they are excellent.
Windows Live Mail does all its predecessors did and more. This sounds
like one of those PICNIC situations.
Problem In Chair Not In Computer.
K

More like an ID10t error

 

[KissThis]

Seeing that Windows 7 does not come with any mail or news client
installed I
fail to see how they are "pushing" Windows Live Mail on to their users.
There's no forced Windows Live login and identity creation and no forced
download and
install of any of the Windows Live apps, of which WLM is but one.
Complaining that a version of Windows Mail designed explicitly for a
different MS OS doesn't work properly on your system after a standard
Windows 7 Security Update is like complaining that the alternator I bought
for my '04 Chevy Avalanche doesn't work properly on my '09 Avalanche. MS is
not compelled, nor should they be, to insure that software
bundled and designed to function with a previous specific version of
Windows
is 100% compatible with Windows 7. It was a gift that it could be tweaked
to work. Get over it and use another mail client or roll back to Vista if
Windows Mail is that critical to your existence.

Nobody is pushing anything except this moron pushing his bullshit. He's
nothing more than a pathetic little troll

 

[KissThis]

I thought "Live Essentials" was downloaded automatically by W7 Update.
Maybe I'm wrong (?)

DUH, really? Of course your wrong you moron. STFU becuase all you're
doing is spewing lies.

 

[Speaking in silver]

Speaking in silver wrote:

You haven't been pushed to use anything.

Oh, really?
Too bad for you that the Antitrust regulators don't think the same.
Maybe you're happy while being abused, but some of us are not.
Just let's wait and see how much they'll have to pay this time.
Wanna bet?

 

[Bob Hatch]

Oh, really?
Too bad for you that the Antitrust regulators don't think the same.
Maybe you're happy while being abused, but some of us are not.
Just let's wait and see how much they'll have to pay this time.
Wanna bet?

Pay for what?

--
"To announce that there must be no criticism
of the President, or that we are to stand by
the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic
and servile, but is morally treasonable to the
American public."
Theodore Roosevelt
http://www.bobhatch.com
http://www.tdsrvresort.com

 

[Gordon]

Oh, really?
Too bad for you that the Antitrust regulators don't think the same.

The Anti-trust regulators are only interested in web browsers AFAIK, not
email clients.

 

[Ed]

Oh, really?
Too bad for you that the Antitrust regulators don't think the same.
Maybe you're happy while being abused, but some of us are not.
Just let's wait and see how much they'll have to pay this time.
Wanna bet?

What keeps you from downloading a different mail/news client and using it? There are a
number of others available that are just as easy to use if not more so. I think the point is
that you don't have to settle for WM or WLM.

Ed

 

[SC Tom]

"R. C. White" wrote...

I downloaded the current update, but I don't see any cosmetic
or functional difference?

Perhaps just because I'm an old fogey, but I don't appreciate
the trend towards more "white space", huge subject line fonts,
etc. Having started in computing just after "unit record equip"
I prefer my information single-spaced so I don't have to
scroll up and down to see everything. ;-)

I also hate having my different SMTP accounts all handled
separately with separate folders, etc. Perhaps I don't care
which account the mail came from.

Also, I didn't see any way to specify that I wanted ONLY
the email app, and not the rest of the Live package. I was
trying to keep the buildup of Windows cruft from happening
so quickly on this new machine, but apparently it is as bad
as ever, perhaps worse. Yes, I feel I was _forced_ to install
all the rest of the "Live" family even though I don't want any
of the other pieces, indeed I don't know or care what they
are.

You didn't have to install the whole package. All you had to do was pick the
components you wanted, or uncheck the ones you didn't want. I didn't install
anything except the mail and news clients and left the rest in the package.