Update KB890830 disables Windows Mail

[Speaking in silver]

Microsoft goes on pushing us W7 users to use their "wonderful" WLM.
Why they do this I still don't know, but the more they push, the less I like
it.

First, they disabled Windows Mail in Windows 7 without a good reason, even
leaving the folder and some unusable files inside \Program Files\Windows
Mail. However, this could be easily worked around by lots of users happy
with Windows Mail, just taking ownership of that folder and overwriting the
unusable files with the original ones.

Now, Windows Update tries to install a new "improvement" KB890830, which
again won't allow Windows Mail to run.

Please be careful not to install it, or use System Restore if too late
And thank you again, Microsoft, for caring so much...

 

[Don]

Microsoft goes on pushing us W7 users to use their "wonderful" WLM.
Why they do this I still don't know, but the more they push, the less I
like it.

First, they disabled Windows Mail in Windows 7 without a good reason, even
leaving the folder and some unusable files inside \Program Files\Windows
Mail. However, this could be easily worked around by lots of users happy
with Windows Mail, just taking ownership of that folder and overwriting
the unusable files with the original ones.

Now, Windows Update tries to install a new "improvement" KB890830, which
again won't allow Windows Mail to run.

Please be careful not to install it, or use System Restore if too late
And thank you again, Microsoft, for caring so much...

Am I missing something?

I thought Windows Mail did not come with Windows 7, in fact no email or
newsgroup program comes packaged with it, and users are free to choose the
program they want.

Granted while I have Windows 7 now, I have not installed it yet.

 

[Gordon]

Microsoft goes on pushing us W7 users to use their "wonderful" WLM.
Why they do this I still don't know, but the more they push, the less I
like it.

I've not been "pushed" to use anything. Please tell us how you've been
"pushed"....

 

[Trev]

Microsoft goes on pushing us W7 users to use their "wonderful" WLM.
Why they do this I still don't know, but the more they push, the less I
like it.

First, they disabled Windows Mail in Windows 7 without a good reason, even
leaving the folder and some unusable files inside \Program Files\Windows
Mail. However, this could be easily worked around by lots of users happy
with Windows Mail, just taking ownership of that folder and overwriting
the unusable files with the original ones.

Now, Windows Update tries to install a new "improvement" KB890830, which
again won't allow Windows Mail to run.

Please be careful not to install it, or use System Restore if too late
And thank you again, Microsoft, for caring so much...

My windows is up to date and Live mail is working fine

Im sure the malicious software tool was downloaded and did its job. I might
add I'm on 32 bit

 

[Trev]

Am I missing something?

I thought Windows Mail did not come with Windows 7, in fact no email or
newsgroup program comes packaged with it, and users are free to choose the
program they want.

Granted while I have Windows 7 now, I have not installed it yet.

It does not But it does have a Folder labelled Windows mail with a few dils
but no application

 

[Speaking in silver]

Am I missing something?

I thought Windows Mail did not come with Windows 7, in fact no email or
newsgroup program comes packaged with it, and users are free to choose the
program they want.

Granted while I have Windows 7 now, I have not installed it yet.

Check out what you've got inside C:\Program Files\Windows Mail.
Don't click on Windowsmail.exe, though. It just won't run.
Now, Isn't that fun?

 

[Speaking in silver]

My windows is up to date and Live mail is working fine

Im sure the malicious software tool was downloaded and did its job. I
might add I'm on 32 bit

I's talking about "Windows Mail", the program that came with Vista,
which I'm running on W7 too.

WLM is what I'm trying to avoid.
Still successful!

 

[Richard Crowley]

"Don" wrote...

I thought Windows Mail did not come with Windows 7, in fact no email or
newsgroup program comes packaged with it,

On my new VAIO notebook, Win7 came with "Windows Live Mail" which
talks to all my SMTP accounts AND reads NNTP just fine. I am posting
this message in Win7 from (included) Windows Live Mail.

My OEM copy of Win7 did not come with WLM, but it is available for free
download as part of the "Windows Live Essentials". http://home.live.com

 

[Dabbler]

My OEM copy of Win7 did not come with WLM, but it is available for
free download as part of the "Windows Live Essentials".
http://home.live.com

What else is in Windows Live Essentials besides WLM?

 

[Speaking in silver]

I've not been "pushed" to use anything. Please tell us how you've been
"pushed"....

I hope you not feeling pushed means you've found better software for email
and news. Lucky you.

Unfortunately, many people have felt "compelled" to use WLM.
I'll just quote some recent messages here:

- Ivan: "Since using windows 7 I have been forced to download and use
Windows Live Mail ".

- Richard Crowley: "On my new VAIO notebook, Win7 came with Windows Live
Mail".

Not to mention that little shoddy piece of work,
the "C:\Program Files\Windows Mail" folder...

Isn't it all too obvious?

 

[Gordon]

I hope you not feeling pushed means you've found better software for email
and news. Lucky you.

There's loads. Did you try anything else? You are not tied to Microsoft you
know....

 

[Gordon]

"Don" wrote...

On my new VAIO notebook, Win7 came with "Windows Live Mail"

Then your vendor decided to bundle it. Win 7 does not have any email or
newsreader in it...

 

[Bob Hatch]

I hope you not feeling pushed means you've found better software for
email and news. Lucky you.

Unfortunately, many people have felt "compelled" to use WLM.
I'll just quote some recent messages here:

- Ivan: "Since using windows 7 I have been forced to download and use
Windows Live Mail ".

- Richard Crowley: "On my new VAIO notebook, Win7 came with Windows Live
Mail".

Not to mention that little shoddy piece of work,
the "C:\Program Files\Windows Mail" folder...

Isn't it all too obvious?

I use MS Outlook 2007 for mail and Thunderbird for NNTP. MS didn't force
me to use anything, to include WLM.

There are lots of options available. Have you tried any of them?

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of the President, or that we are to stand by
the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic
and servile, but is morally treasonable to the
American public."
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[kreed]

I's talking about "Windows Mail", the program that came with Vista,
which I'm running on W7 too.

WLM is what I'm trying to avoid.
Still successful!

Windows Live Mail as well as the rest of Windows Live Essentials works
perfectly well and considering they are 'free' they are excellent.
Windows Live Mail does all its predecessors did and more. This sounds like
one of those PICNIC situations.
Problem In Chair Not In Computer.
K

 

[Augustus]

Microsoft goes on pushing us W7 users to use their "wonderful" WLM.
Why they do this I still don't know, but the more they push, the less I
like it.

First, they disabled Windows Mail in Windows 7 without a good reason, even
leaving the folder and some unusable files inside \Program Files\Windows
Mail. However, this could be easily worked around by lots of users happy
with Windows Mail, just taking ownership of that folder and overwriting
the unusable files with the original ones.

Now, Windows Update tries to install a new "improvement" KB890830, which
again won't allow Windows Mail to run.

Please be careful not to install it, or use System Restore if too late
And thank you again, Microsoft, for caring so much...

Seeing that Windows 7 does not come with any mail or news client installed I
fail to see how they are "pushing" Windows Live Mail on to their users.
There's no forced Windows Live login and identity creation and no forced
download and
install of any of the Windows Live apps, of which WLM is but one.
Complaining that a version of Windows Mail designed explicitly for a
different MS OS doesn't work properly on your system after a standard
Windows 7 Security Update is like complaining that the alternator I bought
for my '04 Chevy Avalanche doesn't work properly on my '09 Avalanche. MS is
not compelled, nor should they be, to insure that software
bundled and designed to function with a previous specific version of Windows
is 100% compatible with Windows 7. It was a gift that it could be tweaked
to work. Get over it and use another mail client or roll back to Vista if
Windows Mail is that critical to your existence.

 

[Alex Clayton]

Seeing that Windows 7 does not come with any mail or news client installed
I
fail to see how they are "pushing" Windows Live Mail on to their users.
There's no forced Windows Live login and identity creation and no forced
download and
install of any of the Windows Live apps, of which WLM is but one.
Complaining that a version of Windows Mail designed explicitly for a
different MS OS doesn't work properly on your system after a standard
Windows 7 Security Update is like complaining that the alternator I bought
for my '04 Chevy Avalanche doesn't work properly on my '09 Avalanche. MS
is
not compelled, nor should they be, to insure that software
bundled and designed to function with a previous specific version of
Windows
is 100% compatible with Windows 7. It was a gift that it could be tweaked
to work. Get over it and use another mail client or roll back to Vista if
Windows Mail is that critical to your existence.

<G> Sounds like a good example to me. WLM was a little different than OE,
and WM, so it took me a little to get used to, but it seems to work fine. If
I did not like it I guess I would try something from Mozilla. I have been
using their browser since I tried Linux one time. The Linux was not for me,
but I did like Firefox. I assume if you use their E-mail program it would
look the same in the different Windows OS's ?
What the hell WLM is free, and anyone can chose to take it, try it, or use
something else.

 

[R. C. White]

Hi, Richard.

On my new VAIO notebook, Win7 came with "Windows Live Mail"

Then Sony must have added it to your "bundle", because Microsoft does not.

In any retail package of Windows 7, all the way from 32-bit Home Basic to
64-bit Ultimate, upgrade or full, there is NO mail client or newsreader at
all. The buyer is free to select whatever application he chooses and buy
it - or find and download one of the several free programs.

My OEM copy of Win7 did not come with WLM, but it is available for free
download as part of the "Windows Live Essentials". http://home.live.com

The better download site is http://download.live.com . At that site, you
can find and download ALL of the Windows Live Essentials, including WLMail,
WLMessenger, WLWrite, WLPhotoGallery, WLCalendar - and others. Just pick
the ones you want or take the whole suite.

By the way, the version your OEM packaged is about a year out of date now.
According to the headers on your post, you are using:
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8050.1202

The current version on that Download site is Version 2009 (Build
14.0.8089.0726), released last July. While many of us users complain of the
pale pastel color scheme and a couple of other "features", this latest
version is, overall, the best to date.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64

 

[R. C. White]

Hi, Dabbler.

What else is in Windows Live Essentials besides WLM?

Here's a copy of the list, but you'll have to go to http://download.live.com
to download them:

Programs you can download include:
Messenger
Mail
Writer
Photo Gallery
Movie Maker
Family Safety
Toolbar

Additional programs:
Microsoft Office Outlook® Connector
Office Live Add-in
Microsoft Silverlight

Enjoy! ;<)

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64

 

[Richard Crowley]

By the way, the version your OEM packaged is about a year out of
date now. According to the headers on your post, you are using:
X-Newsreader: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8050.1202

That's odd. When I tried "Help / Check for Updates" from the WLM
menu bar, it only suggested two (optional) updates: Microsoft
Silverlight (KB974331) and "Office Live add-in 1.4" which was not
further described. I'm not inclined to download "Office Live add-in"
of any version without knowing what the heck it is? Even if it is
coming from Redmond.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

On my new VAIO notebook, Win7 came with "Windows Live Mail"

Let me clarify that, if I may. Windows 7 does *not* come with Windows
Live Mail. Your *computer* may have come with Windows Live Mail, but
that's because its vendor put it there not because Windows 7 came with
it.