Question about W8 Surface tablet

W

Wolf K

Yes, I know this is a W7 group, but I couldn't find a Win 8 one.

Question: Can one load Classic Shell onto the new Win 8 Surface tablet
(the one with an i3 CPU)?

TIA.
 
G

Gene E. Bloch

Yes, I know this is a W7 group, but I couldn't find a Win 8 one.

Question: Can one load Classic Shell onto the new Win 8 Surface tablet
(the one with an i3 CPU)?

TIA.
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alt.comp.os.windows-8

As for your question, my guess is 'no'.

I'm willing to be proved wrong, however.
 
K

Ken1943

Yes, I know this is a W7 group, but I couldn't find a Win 8 one.

Question: Can one load Classic Shell onto the new Win 8 Surface tablet
(the one with an i3 CPU)?

TIA.
Click to expand...
Only if it's running the real Windows 8 and not RT.


KenW
 
R

R. C. White

Hi, Wolf.

Does your News Server carry this newsgroup?:
alt.comp.os.windows-8

RC
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R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2012 (Build 16.4.3508.0205) in Win8 Pro


"Wolf K" wrote in message
Yes, I know this is a W7 group, but I couldn't find a Win 8 one.

Question: Can one load Classic Shell onto the new Win 8 Surface tablet
(the one with an i3 CPU)?

TIA.
 
P

Paul

Wolf said:
Yes, I know this is a W7 group, but I couldn't find a Win 8 one.

Question: Can one load Classic Shell onto the new Win 8 Surface tablet
(the one with an i3 CPU)?

TIA.
Click to expand...
If you use a tablet with an ARM processor (runs Windows RT),
it won't work. The implication is, at least some x86 code
is involved in ClassicShell, not just registry changes or something.

http://sourceforge.net/p/classicshell/discussion/1049756/thread/eeec2767/

If you run ClassicShell on ARM, the developer shows this as the result.

"This app can't run on your PC"
"To find apps for this PC, open the Windows Store"

http://sourceforge.net/p/classicshell/discussion/1049756/thread/eeec2767/84ad/attachment/Capture.PNG

*******

If the device uses an Intel processor, such as a Surface Pro, then
it should load. Don't know what it looks like though, or whether it
would be useful. A device which relies mainly on the touch interface,
is probably going to be hell to use with menus. Think how hard it would be
to use a menu with touch. If however, the device can be run with a mouse,
has the Intel processor, it might be worth a try.

This individual installed ClassicShell on Surface Pro. So at least
one person has done it.

http://www.classicshell.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=267

Paul
 
W

Wolf K

On 2013-09-12 11:01 PM, Paul wrote:
[...]
If the device uses an Intel processor, such as a Surface Pro, then
it should load. Don't know what it looks like though, or whether it
would be useful. A device which relies mainly on the touch interface,
is probably going to be hell to use with menus. Think how hard it would be
to use a menu with touch. If however, the device can be run with a mouse,
has the Intel processor, it might be worth a try.
Click to expand...
[...]

For real work, I want a real keyboard and mouse, plus a full size
monitor. Surface Pro looks close to what I think would be ideal:
a small tablet, wit5h connectivity to full size keyboard, monitor,
mouse, external storage, etc and so on and so forth. Via Wi-fi,
blue-tooth, USB, cables, as user desires. Touch UI for tablet mode, mix
of mouse/keyboard/touch for work mode. A portable CPU, IOW.

Short answer to my question seems to be Yes.

Thanks,
 
W

...winston

"Wolf K" wrote in message
Yes, I know this is a W7 group, but I couldn't find a Win 8 one.

Question: Can one load Classic Shell onto the new Win 8 Surface tablet
(the one with an i3 CPU)?


Surface Pro - Yes
Surface RT - No (one can only install apps from the MSFT Store)


-- --
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps
 
V

VanguardLH

Wolf said:
For real work, I want a real keyboard and mouse, plus a full size
monitor. Surface Pro looks close to what I think would be ideal: a
small tablet, wit5h connectivity to full size keyboard, monitor,
mouse, external storage, etc and so on and so forth. Via Wi-fi,
blue-tooth, USB, cables, as user desires. Touch UI for tablet mode,
mix of mouse/keyboard/touch for work mode. A portable CPU, IOW.
Click to expand...
I thought your question was about whether or not ClassicShell will run
on a Windows 8 Surface tablet, not whether or Surface Pro (which has had
dismal sales volume) constitutes a computer capable of "real work".
Short answer to my question seems to be Yes.
Click to expand...
You might want to search on "surface" over in the ClassicShell forums
(http://www.classicshell.net/forum/). I did that and see a few users
claiming to run ClassicShell on Surface.
 
K

Ken Blake

For real work, I want a real keyboard and mouse, plus a full size
monitor. Surface Pro looks close to what I think would be ideal:
a small tablet, wit5h connectivity to full size keyboard, monitor,
mouse, external storage, etc and so on and so forth. Via Wi-fi,
blue-tooth, USB, cables, as user desires. Touch UI for tablet mode, mix
of mouse/keyboard/touch for work mode. A portable CPU, IOW.
Click to expand...

Since a CPU is nothing but a relatively small chip, *all* CPUs are
portable. However a CPU is useless without a computer.
 
P

Paul

Wolf said:
On 2013-09-12 11:01 PM, Paul wrote:
[...]
If the device uses an Intel processor, such as a Surface Pro, then
it should load. Don't know what it looks like though, or whether it
would be useful. A device which relies mainly on the touch interface,
is probably going to be hell to use with menus. Think how hard it
would be
to use a menu with touch. If however, the device can be run with a mouse,
has the Intel processor, it might be worth a try.
Click to expand...
[...]

For real work, I want a real keyboard and mouse, plus a full size
monitor. Surface Pro looks close to what I think would be ideal:
a small tablet, wit5h connectivity to full size keyboard, monitor,
mouse, external storage, etc and so on and so forth. Via Wi-fi,
blue-tooth, USB, cables, as user desires. Touch UI for tablet mode, mix
of mouse/keyboard/touch for work mode. A portable CPU, IOW.

Short answer to my question seems to be Yes.

Thanks,
Click to expand...
A competitor for Surface Pro, would be low-end Ultrabooks. The
price of those seems to vary all over the place, with little
to show for it. After looking at several pages of listings for
those, my eyes started to glaze over.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2400007,00.asp

Paul
 
K

Ken Springer

Wolf said:
On 2013-09-12 11:01 PM, Paul wrote:
[...]
If the device uses an Intel processor, such as a Surface Pro, then
it should load. Don't know what it looks like though, or whether it
would be useful. A device which relies mainly on the touch interface,
is probably going to be hell to use with menus. Think how hard it
would be
to use a menu with touch. If however, the device can be run with a mouse,
has the Intel processor, it might be worth a try.
Click to expand...
[...]

For real work, I want a real keyboard and mouse, plus a full size
monitor. Surface Pro looks close to what I think would be ideal:
a small tablet, wit5h connectivity to full size keyboard, monitor,
mouse, external storage, etc and so on and so forth. Via Wi-fi,
blue-tooth, USB, cables, as user desires. Touch UI for tablet mode, mix
of mouse/keyboard/touch for work mode. A portable CPU, IOW.

Short answer to my question seems to be Yes.

Thanks,
Click to expand...
A competitor for Surface Pro, would be low-end Ultrabooks. The
price of those seems to vary all over the place, with little
to show for it. After looking at several pages of listings for
those, my eyes started to glaze over.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2400007,00.asp
Click to expand...
There still seems to be some netbooks available, Wolf, what about one of
those? Larger than a tablet, at this point, and smaller than an
ultrabook. I'm guessing power is also somewhere between the two. And
you can hook all your peripherals to it.

I bought one for traveling purposes in 2010, and sometime attach a
monitor and keyboard. And my flatbed scanner. If you could get one
with Win7 on it, you wouldn't have to worry about the touchscreen
interface. But I don't use it for "real" work. LOL That wasn't a
need then, nor is it now. Too used to this 1920 X 1200 screen resolution.

I'm also looking at tablets, my current leader is the Nexus 7. At this
point, based on size and available screen resolution, which amazingly is
1920 X 1200!



--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.4
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.0.4
 
G

Gene E. Bloch

Aha! i was searching for "windows8".
Click to expand...
How silly of you...

I learned of it by reading about it here, not as a result of a search -
for reasons you will no doubt understand :)
 
G

Gene E. Bloch

alt.comp.os.windows-8

As for your question, my guess is 'no'.

I'm willing to be proved wrong, however.
Click to expand...
And I see downthread that I confused Surface Tablet with Windows RT
devices.

My apologies.
 
B

Bob Henson

Gene said:
And I see downthread that I confused Surface Tablet with Windows RT
devices.
Click to expand...
I'll bet many more, sadly, will do the same - buy a new Microsoft
fondleslab and then wonder why it won't run any decent programs.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

Manifesto - a statement of what you would do if you had talent, honour and
principles.
 
S

SC Tom

Wolf K said:
On 2013-09-12 11:01 PM, Paul wrote:
[...]
If the device uses an Intel processor, such as a Surface Pro, then
it should load. Don't know what it looks like though, or whether it
would be useful. A device which relies mainly on the touch interface,
is probably going to be hell to use with menus. Think how hard it would
be
to use a menu with touch. If however, the device can be run with a mouse,
has the Intel processor, it might be worth a try.
Click to expand...
[...]

For real work, I want a real keyboard and mouse, plus a full size monitor.
Surface Pro looks close to what I think would be ideal:
a small tablet, wit5h connectivity to full size keyboard, monitor, mouse,
external storage, etc and so on and so forth. Via Wi-fi, blue-tooth, USB,
cables, as user desires. Touch UI for tablet mode, mix of
mouse/keyboard/touch for work mode. A portable CPU, IOW.

Short answer to my question seems to be Yes.

Thanks,
Click to expand...
Here's a two-fer for you (Lenovo IdeaPad U310 Intel Core i5 8GB 500GB HDD
24GB SSD 13.3" Touchscreen Ultrabook Graphite Gray (59381114) PLUS Free
Lenovo tablet w/ purchase, limited offer, all for $599.99):

<http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...EMC-091413-Index-_-MTFootrest-_-34312811-L01A>

More WIn8 than you could possibly want LOL :)
 
S

SC Tom

G

Gene E. Bloch

I'll bet many more, sadly, will do the same - buy a new Microsoft
fondleslab and then wonder why it won't run any decent programs.
Click to expand...
Well, getting confused on Usenet isn't the same thing as buying the
wrong device in a store.

Whether that means I'm safe remains an open question :)
 
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