Thanks everyone. Very enlightening.Enkidu said:AVG is turning into a real resourse hog . . . you might not notice it on
a fast system, but then again, you might. It will make an older system
damn near unsuable.
Well, for those of us who don't steal music or jerk off incessantly,Hugh Jeego said:HEHEHE I love people like you. Part of my income comes from people
recommending products that don't work well and I have to fix them. AVG
free is much better than that. In fact in recent tests using viruses I
have found on machines that were not known by any anti virus (until I
report them), AVG free seems better than all except Sophos. However, if
someone is going to download music/videos etc illegally or go to porn
sites, you just cant buy or use anything good enough to be positive you
are safe.
Why would you settle for "does a fine job" when you can get better?Well, for those of us who don't steal music or jerk off incessantly,
Microsoft Security Essentials does a fine job.
What is your experience with this product please?Charles Tomaras said:http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/
Free, works well, low resource overhead...pretty much zero problems...you
won't know it's there and you won't have to mess with it.
I gotta wonder if you want your AV software from the same people whoEmrys said:What is your experience with this product please?
Well, in years gone past I've used many of the popular antivirus productsWhat is your experience with this product please?
Well there will always be the monoculture argument and it's certainly worthyEnkidu said:I gotta wonder if you want your AV software from the same people who
wrote your OS, no matter what OS you use. If MS (or Apple) left a big
security hole, would you rather it be blocked by someone looking over
his shoulder at the public relations problems such a hole would cause,
or would you rather it be filled by someone who is looking ahead at the
the public relations coup of being the first to block that hole?
Independence and competion can be good.
So what are you advocating?Enkidu said:I gotta wonder if you want your AV software from the same people who
wrote your OS, no matter what OS you use. If MS (or Apple) left a big
security hole, would you rather it be blocked by someone looking over
his shoulder at the public relations problems such a hole would cause,
or would you rather it be filled by someone who is looking ahead at the
the public relations coup of being the first to block that hole?
Independence and competion can be good.
I am very interested in what you are saying because you have theCharles Tomaras said:Well, in years gone past I've used many of the popular antivirus products
including those from Norton, MacAfee, AVG, Panda, and Esset. A few years
back I switched to Windows One Care and noticed how well it ran, how little
overhead it had on my moderately powered computers and how easy it was for
my inexperienced relatives to operate on their computers. With the advent of
Windows 7 and Security Essentials being a free product I continued upon that
route using it first in beta and now as a released product. Zero problems
for myself and for my family members who are using it. I've also not read
anything derogatory about it on independent sites which rate AV products.
Sure, there are some products which have higher ratings in some areas but
Security Essentials has worked admirably for myself and for the other people
I know who use it. No virus' or malware and very simple installation and
operation.
It's certainly a valid choice for one to make and a no brainer for those who
like to keep it simple. The generally "all things MS are bad" notions that
are kept alive on these newsgroups should be cast aside and products judged
on their own merits. Security Essentials works.
http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/
It's the only thing I run on the three computers that are under my directEmrys Davies said:I am very interested in what you are saying because you have the
experience, which is important. Just one point: Do you run any other
security programmes in conjunction with it or does it deal with
everything? Thanks a lot.
Very well put and you have certainly got me thinking that I will give itCharles Tomaras said:It's the only thing I run on the three computers that are under my direct
supervision. I long ago gave up on all the little antispyware apps scouring
for cookies every other little this or that and I've not had any issues.
I've got better things to do with my time than to be constantly updating
this and that and running little apps that suck the resources from either my
computer or myself. I can also tell you that it uninstalls easily and
completely if you decide you do not like it or wish to remove it from your
system temporarily for whatever reasons. I removed it from a Vista machine
prior to a very successful in-place upgrade to Win 7 just to be sure there
was no interference in the upgrade. Don't know if I needed to do that but it
was simple enough to accomplish.
Using an AV *not* from Microsoft if you run Windows, notEmrys said:So what are you advocating?
Advise is free . . . if you think it's not worth the price, don't takeFrank said:What a ridiculous statement!
Getting it right is one thing . . . keeping it right for years is quiteCharles said:Well there will always be the monoculture argument and it's certainly worthy
of consideration. At this point there is plenty of culture in the AV
community and my experiences with Security Essentials are positive enough
that I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it to people. It runs really well with
Microsoft's OS's, keeps updated without intervention and is dumb simple to
use. No matter what your computing political views, in my opinion, Microsoft
got this product right.
I'm confident that Microsoft has both the resources and the internal mandateEnkidu said:Getting it right is one thing . . . keeping it right for years is quite
another. Of course, that's true of any software from any source.
Were it so with everyone! You may not be able to prevent everyCharles said:I hedge my confidence with a solid and consistent
backup routine.
Enkidu said:I gotta wonder if you want your AV software from the same people who
wrote your OS, no matter what OS you use. If MS (or Apple) left a big
security hole, would you rather it be blocked by someone looking over
his shoulder at the public relations problems such a hole would cause,
or would you rather it be filled by someone who is looking ahead at the
the public relations coup of being the first to block that hole?
True, but that has no effect on this specific argument.Independence and competion can be good.
Except of course that if you actually get a nasty virus on the machine andDrew said:Stay away from all that is Norton or Mcafee.. They are just bloatware
spelled differently.. Avast or Avg for free products or Sunbelt's Vipre
are all good products
I have to add my 2 cents to this thread. I haven't used any Norton productjohnbee said:Except of course that if you actually get a nasty virus on the machine and
your freebies fail to get rid of it, having Norton on your PC means that
you will be able to get rid of it for certain by visiting the web site and
asking for a tool to remove it.
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