Win7 and Norton 2010 Anti Virus


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Emrys Davies

Enkidu said:
AVG is turning into a real resourse hog . . . you might not notice it on
a fast system, but then again, you might. It will make an older system
damn near unsuable.
Thanks everyone. Very enlightening.

I may get AVG Anti-Virus
Spybot Search and Destroy
Spyware Blaster
Zone Alarm

unless someone persuades me that that is overkill. I will probably have
4GB Ram Memory and 320GB Hard Drive.

Bruce said re- AVG: "Do a custom installation. Opt out of e-mail
scanning. Any particular reason for this?
 
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Charles Tomaras

Hugh Jeego said:
HEHEHE I love people like you. Part of my income comes from people
recommending products that don't work well and I have to fix them. AVG
free is much better than that. In fact in recent tests using viruses I
have found on machines that were not known by any anti virus (until I
report them), AVG free seems better than all except Sophos. However, if
someone is going to download music/videos etc illegally or go to porn
sites, you just cant buy or use anything good enough to be positive you
are safe.
Well, for those of us who don't steal music or jerk off incessantly,
Microsoft Security Essentials does a fine job.
http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/
For those of you who do steal music or jerk off a lot you should ask Hugh
Jeego's for his/her contact information as he/she uses a ficticious name and
email address for his/her communications. If part of his/her income comes
from fixing computers you would think that he/she would stand behind a real
id and make herself/himself a little easier to hire.
 
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Leythos

Well, for those of us who don't steal music or jerk off incessantly,
Microsoft Security Essentials does a fine job.
Why would you settle for "does a fine job" when you can get better?

What about the person that mistypes a url and gets hit by a rogue site
while using that "does a file job" product and it fails to protect them?
 
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Enkidu

Emrys said:
What is your experience with this product please?
I gotta wonder if you want your AV software from the same people who
wrote your OS, no matter what OS you use. If MS (or Apple) left a big
security hole, would you rather it be blocked by someone looking over
his shoulder at the public relations problems such a hole would cause,
or would you rather it be filled by someone who is looking ahead at the
the public relations coup of being the first to block that hole?

Independence and competion can be good.
 
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Charles Tomaras

What is your experience with this product please?
Well, in years gone past I've used many of the popular antivirus products
including those from Norton, MacAfee, AVG, Panda, and Esset. A few years
back I switched to Windows One Care and noticed how well it ran, how little
overhead it had on my moderately powered computers and how easy it was for
my inexperienced relatives to operate on their computers. With the advent of
Windows 7 and Security Essentials being a free product I continued upon that
route using it first in beta and now as a released product. Zero problems
for myself and for my family members who are using it. I've also not read
anything derogatory about it on independent sites which rate AV products.
Sure, there are some products which have higher ratings in some areas but
Security Essentials has worked admirably for myself and for the other people
I know who use it. No virus' or malware and very simple installation and
operation.

It's certainly a valid choice for one to make and a no brainer for those who
like to keep it simple. The generally "all things MS are bad" notions that
are kept alive on these newsgroups should be cast aside and products judged
on their own merits. Security Essentials works.
http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/
 
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Charles Tomaras

Enkidu said:
I gotta wonder if you want your AV software from the same people who
wrote your OS, no matter what OS you use. If MS (or Apple) left a big
security hole, would you rather it be blocked by someone looking over
his shoulder at the public relations problems such a hole would cause,
or would you rather it be filled by someone who is looking ahead at the
the public relations coup of being the first to block that hole?

Independence and competion can be good.
Well there will always be the monoculture argument and it's certainly worthy
of consideration. At this point there is plenty of culture in the AV
community and my experiences with Security Essentials are positive enough
that I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it to people. It runs really well with
Microsoft's OS's, keeps updated without intervention and is dumb simple to
use. No matter what your computing political views, in my opinion, Microsoft
got this product right.
 
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Emrys Davies

Enkidu said:
I gotta wonder if you want your AV software from the same people who
wrote your OS, no matter what OS you use. If MS (or Apple) left a big
security hole, would you rather it be blocked by someone looking over
his shoulder at the public relations problems such a hole would cause,
or would you rather it be filled by someone who is looking ahead at the
the public relations coup of being the first to block that hole?

Independence and competion can be good.
So what are you advocating?
 
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Emrys Davies

Charles Tomaras said:
Well, in years gone past I've used many of the popular antivirus products
including those from Norton, MacAfee, AVG, Panda, and Esset. A few years
back I switched to Windows One Care and noticed how well it ran, how little
overhead it had on my moderately powered computers and how easy it was for
my inexperienced relatives to operate on their computers. With the advent of
Windows 7 and Security Essentials being a free product I continued upon that
route using it first in beta and now as a released product. Zero problems
for myself and for my family members who are using it. I've also not read
anything derogatory about it on independent sites which rate AV products.
Sure, there are some products which have higher ratings in some areas but
Security Essentials has worked admirably for myself and for the other people
I know who use it. No virus' or malware and very simple installation and
operation.

It's certainly a valid choice for one to make and a no brainer for those who
like to keep it simple. The generally "all things MS are bad" notions that
are kept alive on these newsgroups should be cast aside and products judged
on their own merits. Security Essentials works.
http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/
I am very interested in what you are saying because you have the
experience, which is important. Just one point: Do you run any other
security programmes in conjunction with it or does it deal with
everything? Thanks a lot.
 
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Charles Tomaras

Emrys Davies said:
I am very interested in what you are saying because you have the
experience, which is important. Just one point: Do you run any other
security programmes in conjunction with it or does it deal with
everything? Thanks a lot.
It's the only thing I run on the three computers that are under my direct
supervision. I long ago gave up on all the little antispyware apps scouring
for cookies every other little this or that and I've not had any issues.
I've got better things to do with my time than to be constantly updating
this and that and running little apps that suck the resources from either my
computer or myself. I can also tell you that it uninstalls easily and
completely if you decide you do not like it or wish to remove it from your
system temporarily for whatever reasons. I removed it from a Vista machine
prior to a very successful in-place upgrade to Win 7 just to be sure there
was no interference in the upgrade. Don't know if I needed to do that but it
was simple enough to accomplish.
 
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Emrys Davies

Charles Tomaras said:
It's the only thing I run on the three computers that are under my direct
supervision. I long ago gave up on all the little antispyware apps scouring
for cookies every other little this or that and I've not had any issues.
I've got better things to do with my time than to be constantly updating
this and that and running little apps that suck the resources from either my
computer or myself. I can also tell you that it uninstalls easily and
completely if you decide you do not like it or wish to remove it from your
system temporarily for whatever reasons. I removed it from a Vista machine
prior to a very successful in-place upgrade to Win 7 just to be sure there
was no interference in the upgrade. Don't know if I needed to do that but it
was simple enough to accomplish.
Very well put and you have certainly got me thinking that I will give it
a go because what you say makes real sense and I know that you are
sincerely trying to be helful because you have found something which
works for you, your family and friends. I much appreciate you time and
help.
 
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Enkidu

Charles said:
Well there will always be the monoculture argument and it's certainly worthy
of consideration. At this point there is plenty of culture in the AV
community and my experiences with Security Essentials are positive enough
that I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it to people. It runs really well with
Microsoft's OS's, keeps updated without intervention and is dumb simple to
use. No matter what your computing political views, in my opinion, Microsoft
got this product right.
Getting it right is one thing . . . keeping it right for years is quite
another. Of course, that's true of any software from any source.
 
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Charles Tomaras

Enkidu said:
Getting it right is one thing . . . keeping it right for years is quite
another. Of course, that's true of any software from any source.
I'm confident that Microsoft has both the resources and the internal mandate
to get this right for the long term because now more than ever it is in
their best interest. I hedge my confidence with a solid and consistent
backup routine. So, I've got a low overhead dumb simple free AV solution
that is supported by good backup and archiving practices. I feel secure.
 
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Enkidu

Charles said:
I hedge my confidence with a solid and consistent
backup routine.
Were it so with everyone! You may not be able to prevent every
problem, but preventing disasters with backups is easy.
 
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Guest

Enkidu said:
I gotta wonder if you want your AV software from the same people who
wrote your OS, no matter what OS you use. If MS (or Apple) left a big
security hole, would you rather it be blocked by someone looking over
his shoulder at the public relations problems such a hole would cause,
or would you rather it be filled by someone who is looking ahead at the
the public relations coup of being the first to block that hole?

I don't get it, why would you not get your anti virus or security
software from the same people who wrote the OS?

They know their product (the OS in this case) more than anyone else out
there.

Your argument doesn't make sense, sorry.
Independence and competion can be good.
True, but that has no effect on this specific argument.
 
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Drew

Stay away from all that is Norton or Mcafee.. They are just bloatware
spelled differently.. Avast or Avg for free products or Sunbelt's Vipre are
all good products
 
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johnbee

Drew said:
Stay away from all that is Norton or Mcafee.. They are just bloatware
spelled differently.. Avast or Avg for free products or Sunbelt's Vipre
are all good products
Except of course that if you actually get a nasty virus on the machine and
your freebies fail to get rid of it, having Norton on your PC means that you
will be able to get rid of it for certain by visiting the web site and
asking for a tool to remove it.
 
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KCB

johnbee said:
Except of course that if you actually get a nasty virus on the machine and
your freebies fail to get rid of it, having Norton on your PC means that
you will be able to get rid of it for certain by visiting the web site and
asking for a tool to remove it.
I have to add my 2 cents to this thread. I haven't used any Norton product
for years because of the slowdowns I had seen on so many computers, at work
and at home. Recently, I built a Windows 7 computer using an Asus P6X58D
Premium motherboard. This MB came with a trial version of Norton Internet
Security. I normally would not install anything Norton because of past
experience, but decided to give this a try since it had been so long since I
had used it. I have to tell you that this is one of the quickest,
low-memory-using AV products that I have ever seen. Right now it is using
2,504 KB (according to Task Manager, system is idle other than this window
and a browser window, with Steam in the background). My boot time is not
slowed down by it, and it doesn't throw itself in my face with stupid update
windows or "Please stand by..." popup.
On the other hand, my XP machine has Avast! free home version installed,
which is utilizing over 120,000 KB, sitting at the desktop. Avast
constantly throws the update popup on screen while it announces that it has
been updated. The update even intrudes into full screen game windows. I
know it can be put in silent mode, but that does not help with the slower
boot times that it causes. On top of this, I know 3 people who have been
infected by the "Your machine is infected and cannot run any programs until
you buy this AV product" with Avast installed and updated.
I am seriously considering buying this Norton product. It is version
16.7.2.11 of Norton Internet Security. It includes anti-virus,
anti-spyware, firewall, anti-phishing, and identity protection, and I am
impressed with it. If you knew me and knew how I have talked about Norton
products to my friends and family, you would be shocked.
 

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