SP1

[BillW50]

I've used both Win2K embedded and WinXP embedded in setups there writing
is definitely enabled to the system drive.

Yes you can configure it that way if you wanted too. And there are two
very important commands to remember:

ewfmgr c: -commitanddisable
- This will immediately disable EWF and commit all changes to the volume.

ewfmgr c: -enable
- This will enable EWF on the next boot up.

 

[BillW50]

Yes you can configure it that way if you wanted too. And there are two
very important commands to remember:

ewfmgr c: -commitanddisable
- This will immediately disable EWF and commit all changes to the volume.

ewfmgr c: -enable
- This will enable EWF on the next boot up.

Another thing I like about the ewf being enabled and using the RAM as a
write cache was you didn't have to do a correct shutdown of the computer
either. All you needed to do is just to remove the power and you were good.

Of course all changes are lost without committing first, but that is the
beauty of ewf anyway. As having ewf enabled, makes it virtually
impossible for any malware to do any real harm. As once the power is
gone from the RAM, so is anything else trying to infect the system too. ;-)

 

[Ken Blake]

I had a '68 Beetle for a number of years. It had a manual transmission.
And it was a year or so before when they actually started using a real
fuel gauge. Earlier Beetles used a stick under the gas cap to check the
level. And I don't recall any automatic transmission Beetles before say
'70 or so.

Thanks. I had forgotten that all Beetles had standard transmissions
back in the 50s.


I do remember the lack of a fuel gauge, though.

 

[Andy Burns]

ewfmgr c: -commitanddisable
- This will immediately disable EWF and commit all changes to the volume.

ewfmgr c: -enable
- This will enable EWF on the next boot up.

Thanks, I didn't install the systems, we just clone them now whenever
we're updating them ...

 

[Char Jackson]

I must admit, the Internet seems a lot safer than years past.

Very interesting. I would have said exactly the opposite. Viruses are
no longer much of a problem, but the malware that seems to have
replaced the old threats is much more dangerous than most of what came
before.

 

[Char Jackson]

Oh is that all? That isn't too serious sounding to me. And if I am not
mistaken, I believe some have claimed to have install it under Windows
7. I am sure there is probably some work involved to make it work.

Gene's Aunt Bessie will be thrilled, I'm sure, when she comes face to
face with the concept of "some work involved to make it work", and
that's after she has to hunt around for a download link and encounters
the "not Win 7 compatible" warning. This solution seems like a
complete non-starter to me.

 

[BillW50]

Very interesting. I would have said exactly the opposite. Viruses are
no longer much of a problem, but the malware that seems to have
replaced the old threats is much more dangerous than most of what came
before.

How so Char? As malware is kind of a catch all phrase for anything not
expectant or wanted. The most mild form of malware that I can currently
think of is browser tracking. Although this is often called adware or
tracking cookies. Still technically called malware though.

Even though I don't like privacy invasion, I don't count this as very
serious. As it really doesn't effect your computer but just records
browsing activity. I can't say if they increased or not. As I don't
monitor them very closely. But they seem to be about the same for many
years now. So what else can you be talking about that I am just not
seeing here?

 

[BillW50]

Gene's Aunt Bessie will be thrilled, I'm sure, when she comes face to
face with the concept of "some work involved to make it work", and
that's after she has to hunt around for a download link and encounters
the "not Win 7 compatible" warning. This solution seems like a
complete non-starter to me.

Yeah well SteadyState probably isn't any fun for most Windows 7 users.
Although there are other programs that does the same thing. And the
whole point was there are ways to lock down Windows to be virtually
malware proof, doesn't require an IT education, and anybody who can
manage an AV install can handle them too.

 

[Char Jackson]

Yeah well SteadyState probably isn't any fun for most Windows 7 users.
Although there are other programs that does the same thing. And the
whole point was there are ways to lock down Windows to be virtually
malware proof, doesn't require an IT education, and anybody who can
manage an AV install can handle them too.

I think you've managed to exclude an awful lot of regular users,
still. I can't speak for Aunt Bessie, but my Aunt Ethel would be
totally lost. What you're advocating may not require a full blown IT
education, but it's still far out of reach of the average home user.

 

[Char Jackson]

How so Char? As malware is kind of a catch all phrase for anything not
expectant or wanted. The most mild form of malware that I can currently
think of is browser tracking. Although this is often called adware or
tracking cookies. Still technically called malware though.

Even though I don't like privacy invasion, I don't count this as very
serious. As it really doesn't effect your computer but just records
browsing activity. I can't say if they increased or not. As I don't
monitor them very closely. But they seem to be about the same for many
years now. So what else can you be talking about that I am just not
seeing here?

Why did you focus on the most mild example?

Regardless, I don't think I can have this conversation with you. We
need some common ground from which we can build, and I honestly don't
think you have any understanding at all of the current threat status.
May I recommend that you hang out in one of the .virus groups for
awhile to see what gets discussed? No offense intended, but I really
can't bring you up to speed if you're starting from scratch. I
believe, from experience, that it will be too exhausting because you
won't go willingly. Am I wrong?

 

[bad sector]

How so Char? As malware is kind of a catch all phrase for anything not
expectant or wanted. The most mild form of malware that I can currently
think of is browser tracking. Although this is often called adware or
tracking cookies. Still technically called malware though.

Even though I don't like privacy invasion, I don't count this as very
serious. As it really doesn't effect your computer but just records
browsing activity. I can't say if they increased or not. As I don't
monitor them very closely. But they seem to be about the same for many
years now. So what else can you be talking about that I am just not
seeing here?

I don't share that view. In my book malware is anything that gets on
your computer or manages to engage in activity affecting it that you the
owner or user would not authorize if asked. In this sense Windows is
malware because it overwrites the boot sector without the user's
permission every time it installs, so are cookies unless the owner
authorizes them, etc. Government/regulatory snooping is probably
inevitable but that doesn't mean that commercial snooping and data
mining are rights. The key question has to be who is the owner which BTW
also applies to all privileged personal information. My 2.

 

[Roy Smith]

Oh is that all? That isn't too serious sounding to me. And if I am not
mistaken, I believe some have claimed to have install it under Windows
7. I am sure there is probably some work involved to make it work.

There sure is, but it only works on the 32-bit version of Windows 7.
The workaround is really quite simple, just right click on the
SteadyState.msi install file then click on the compatibility tab. Then
just choose the previous version of Windows option then OK.


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
Thunderbird 8.0
Monday, November 28, 2011 6:50:54 AM

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

On Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:50:29 -0800, Gene E. Bloch


That sounds odd to me. Can you explain what the difference was between
the '56 and '58? Was it a manual vs. automatic transmission?

LOL... No automatic VWs back then.

The window size was different, the gas pedal was different, and there
were a few other subtle differences that in the intervening half
century I have forgotten.

The statement was made as an example of, & as support of, the remark by
Wolf K that you clipped:
"We all develop habits, and when the UI changes in some minor way,
those habits interfere. Major changes aren't as much of a problem,
because they're obvious".

By the way, I used to own both a '56 and '59. I drove the '56 and my
wife drove the '59. I could drive both without a problem, but viewing
through the bigger rear window of the '59 (same as in the '58) was
much easier than in the '56.

I didn't drive the older VWs often enough to get used to them.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Gene's Aunt Bessie will be thrilled, I'm sure, when she comes face to
face with the concept of "some work involved to make it work", and
that's after she has to hunt around for a download link and encounters
the "not Win 7 compatible" warning. This solution seems like a
complete non-starter to me.

When & how did you meet my Aunt Bessie? Is there something going on
that I should know about?

Geez, you just can't be too careful anymore!

I'm having fun with this; I hope you are too

 

[Char Jackson]

When & how did you meet my Aunt Bessie? Is there something going on
that I should know about?

Hmm, I've played this game before and it always ends badly. I'm
innocently asked how I know someone, that person gets asked the same
about me, and then the two stories get compared. It's a trap, and I
ain't playing.

Geez, you just can't be too careful anymore!

I know!

I'm having fun with this; I hope you are too

Nearly as much fun as meeting Aunt Bessie. ;-)

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:23:01 -0800, Gene E. Bloch

Hmm, I've played this game before and it always ends badly. I'm
innocently asked how I know someone, that person gets asked the same
about me, and then the two stories get compared. It's a trap, and I
ain't playing.

I know!

Nearly as much fun as meeting Aunt Bessie. ;-)

And Aunt Bessie has let me know that she's having more fun than she has
in weeks. Thanks Char, you've helped our family more than you can
realize.

I just got curious: Is this subthread OT? ... I didn't think so.

 

[Char Jackson]

And Aunt Bessie has let me know that she's having more fun than she has
in weeks. Thanks Char, you've helped our family more than you can
realize.

Glad to hear it! She's a hoot, to be honest. I enjoy her company.

I just got curious: Is this subthread OT? ... I didn't think so.

The group survived the whole "Liberace is a God!" subthread, so I hope
it can also tolerate this little excursion.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

The group survived the whole "Liberace is a God!" subthread, so I hope
it can also tolerate this little excursion.

I *really* laughed out loud on that one...still chuckling, in fact.

 

[BillW50]

Why did you focus on the most mild example?

Regardless, I don't think I can have this conversation with you. We
need some common ground from which we can build, and I honestly don't
think you have any understanding at all of the current threat status.
May I recommend that you hang out in one of the .virus groups for
awhile to see what gets discussed? No offense intended, but I really
can't bring you up to speed if you're starting from scratch. I
believe, from experience, that it will be too exhausting because you
won't go willingly. Am I wrong?

You forget, I practiced security by the book. So I've been there and
done that. As I too was a lemming just like you are. Although the real
smart people question everything. It doesn't matter who you are.
Scientists, doctors, engineers, etc.

Some of us start questioning because something just doesn't fit right.
In my case, Microsoft sold licenses for the Asus EeePC 701 that only has
4GB of SSD soldered on the motherboard back in late '07. Thus others
including myself, could not use security updates because 4GB isn't large
enough for XP SP2 and updates.

So because I was a lemming and believed such people as yourself, I fully
believed my netbooks were doomed to be infected with malware. And my
perfect record (18 years of virus free now) would be broken. But that
never happened. And that was 4 years ago.

And you people just amaze me! As if I was somebody else and had suffered
through a number of virus infections. And I found somebody who has been
virus free since they had been running Windows for 18 years now, I would
be asking so many questions how they pulled that off. But NOT people
like you. As you seem to believe that I must be doing something wrong.

And the world is filled with people like you everywhere! They are found
in science, medical, government, education, and even in your
neighborhood. I have no idea why you people are such lemmings. But
Einstein had found the very same in his time too.

"He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my
contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the
spinal cord would suffice." -- Albert Einstein

 

[Char Jackson]

You forget, I practiced security by the book. So I've been there and
done that. As I too was a lemming just like you are. Although the real
smart people question everything. It doesn't matter who you are.
Scientists, doctors, engineers, etc.

No, I haven't forgotten. I believe you when you say you used to apply
security fixes to your OS, but I see absolutely no signs that you
understood why you were doing it, or that you understand why you
should continue to do it.

The primary threat used to be that your data would be lost as a result
of malware, so in years past keeping your security profile current was
an attempt to safeguard your data. Current malware rarely takes that
approach, preferring instead to make sure the PC owner never notices
anything amiss while the malware mines personal data or lies in wait
to be commanded as part of a botnet.

These days, keeping your systems and network secure has as much to do
about safeguarding your personal information, (rather than
safeguarding it from intentional damage), as well as ensuring that
your systems don't become a threat to the rest of the systems that
share the Internet with you.

By ignoring security updates, you've essentially turned your
unprotected systems into a modern day form of Typhoid Mary. I don't
care if your personal information is stolen because of your failure to
apply security updates, but I do care that you're putting the rest of
us at higher risk because of your foolishness.