OEM Windows


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noname

Just a question regarding OEM Windows.
Right now i use a OEM but i was reading that OEM is bound to
particular hardware. That would mean that i can not install this OEM
on a new pc.
Is this true? If i knew that i would have bought the fullversion which
wasn't even that much more expensive.
 
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J. P. Gilliver (John)

noname said:
Just a question regarding OEM Windows.
Right now i use a OEM but i was reading that OEM is bound to
particular hardware. That would mean that i can not install this OEM
on a new pc.
Is this true? If i knew that i would have bought the fullversion which
wasn't even that much more expensive.
These terms tend to be used somewhat imprecisely.

Full retail: can be used on any computer (though only one at a time),
and transferred. The most expensive type (in UK, can cost similar to a
whole new PC with preloaded Windows included).

Another type (I think sometimes called "system builder"): can be
installed on one PC, but not transferred to another PC. What "another
PC" means is wooly - you can change things, like amount of RAM, disc
drives, etc., as long as you don't change too much in too short a time
so that it "thinks" it's been copied to a new PC. Different changes have
different "weighting", with the change of a motherboard having the
highest; if you change too much in too short a time, it will ask you to
revalidate with Microsoft, possibly to the extent of having to convince
someone over the 'phone (e. g. that your motherboard died). [It is my
understanding that Windows 7 is more sophisticated in what it allows
than XP was.]

OEM in its purest meaning is Original Equipment Manufacturer, and refers
to licences sold in large numbers to the big manufacturers (Dell etc.)
for preinstallation. However, the term is sometimes used for licences
(usually with installation media; the big OEM ones usually _don't_ have
the media, as the machines are mass-produced and -loaded in the factory)
for other types of construction.

I think there are other types too.

When you say you are using a OEM, do you mean a PC that came with
Windows pre-installed, or - as I suspect, since you refer indirectly to
its cost, which wouldn't be obvious as a separate component if you'd
just bought a PC - Windows that came on media that you installed?
 
V

VanguardLH

noname said:
Right now i use a OEM but i was reading that OEM is bound to
particular hardware. That would mean that i can not install this OEM
on a new pc. Is this true?
Yes. This is your very first experience with any version of Windows?

Find End User License Terms for Microsoft Software Licensed by Microsoft
or the Computer Manufacturer
http://www.microsoft.com/About/Legal/EN/US/IntellectualProperty/UseTerms/Default.aspx

Since you're asking about the OEM version which is usually pre-installed
on a pre-built computer (or installed by a system builder which includes
yourself should you elect that position), select the "Pre-installed"
category.

My selections led me to:
http://download.microsoft.com/Documents/UseTerms/Windows
7_Professional_English_b7a7153f-1a6c-498c-9350-c86926bb1aa9.pdf

which says " The software license is permanently assigned to the
computer with which the software is distributed."

You didn't bother to mention WHICH edition you have. I picked the
Professional edition (and pre-installed for OEM versions).
If i knew that i would have bought the fullversion which wasn't even
that much more expensive.
Really? OEM versions usually cost me about half of the retail full
version. Maybe you were thinking of the retail upgrade version.

Windows 7 OEM version: $140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116989

Windows 7 retail upgrade version: $180
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116714

Windows 7 retail full version: $250
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116717

That's a $110 difference between full retail and OEM versions.
 
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noname

To clarify. I build my pc myself (its old now) and installed Win7 new
onto it. I had XP preciously but tossed it.
The Version i got was labeld OEM.
I am not sure where i read that Win7 OEM binds the OS to lets say a
motherboard.
What i want to do is to eventually build a new pc discard the old one
(or load it with Linux) and install my OEM Win7 on the new pc.
I haven't tried it so far since i only have one pc.



noname said:
Just a question regarding OEM Windows.
Right now i use a OEM but i was reading that OEM is bound to
particular hardware. That would mean that i can not install this OEM
on a new pc.
Is this true? If i knew that i would have bought the fullversion which
wasn't even that much more expensive.
These terms tend to be used somewhat imprecisely.

Full retail: can be used on any computer (though only one at a time),
and transferred. The most expensive type (in UK, can cost similar to a
whole new PC with preloaded Windows included).

Another type (I think sometimes called "system builder"): can be
installed on one PC, but not transferred to another PC. What "another
PC" means is wooly - you can change things, like amount of RAM, disc
drives, etc., as long as you don't change too much in too short a time
so that it "thinks" it's been copied to a new PC. Different changes have
different "weighting", with the change of a motherboard having the
highest; if you change too much in too short a time, it will ask you to
revalidate with Microsoft, possibly to the extent of having to convince
someone over the 'phone (e. g. that your motherboard died). [It is my
understanding that Windows 7 is more sophisticated in what it allows
than XP was.]

OEM in its purest meaning is Original Equipment Manufacturer, and refers
to licences sold in large numbers to the big manufacturers (Dell etc.)
for preinstallation. However, the term is sometimes used for licences
(usually with installation media; the big OEM ones usually _don't_ have
the media, as the machines are mass-produced and -loaded in the factory)
for other types of construction.

I think there are other types too.

When you say you are using a OEM, do you mean a PC that came with
Windows pre-installed, or - as I suspect, since you refer indirectly to
its cost, which wouldn't be obvious as a separate component if you'd
just bought a PC - Windows that came on media that you installed?
 
N

noname

Now i check my box and it says OEM System Builder Pack
and on the label it says Win Home Prem 7 SP1 64bit English 1pk DSP OEI
611 DVD.

I am confused right now.
But i want to be clear once more. Its not a new computer and it did
not came with the computer.
I bought it off a store and installed it. Everything works fine but
not sure if i can install it on a new pc or if i end up to have to buy
a brand new copy.
 
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Wolf K

To clarify. I build my pc myself (its old now) and installed Win7 new
onto it. I had XP preciously but tossed it.
The Version i got was labeld OEM.
I am not sure where i read that Win7 OEM binds the OS to lets say a
motherboard.
What i want to do is to eventually build a new pc discard the old one
(or load it with Linux) and install my OEM Win7 on the new pc.
I haven't tried it so far since i only have one pc.
Search on "move Windows 7 to new hardware", and you'll find:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/249694

It will tell what you need to know.

Wolf K.
"Google is your friend"
 
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Char Jackson

To clarify. I build my pc myself (its old now) and installed Win7 new
onto it. I had XP preciously but tossed it.
The Version i got was labeld OEM.
That was a fine choice, but it didn't position you for the long term.
I am not sure where i read that Win7 OEM binds the OS to lets say a
motherboard.
What i want to do is to eventually build a new pc discard the old one
(or load it with Linux) and install my OEM Win7 on the new pc.
That's exactly what OEM doesn't allow. You should have gone with an
Upgrade or full Retail copy. Your choices now are to get another OEM
version or move up to a higher edition.
 
G

Gene E. Bloch

Now i check my box and it says OEM System Builder Pack
and on the label it says Win Home Prem 7 SP1 64bit English 1pk DSP OEI
611 DVD.
I am confused right now.
But i want to be clear once more. Its not a new computer and it did
not came with the computer.
I bought it off a store and installed it. Everything works fine but
not sure if i can install it on a new pc or if i end up to have to buy
a brand new copy.
Many people have said it in this thread: OEM can not be transferred to
a new computer.

O-E-M CAN NOT BE TRANSFERRED.
Yes. This is your very first experience with any version of Windows?

Find End User License Terms for Microsoft Software Licensed by Microsoft
or the Computer Manufacturer
http://www.microsoft.com/About/Legal/EN/US/IntellectualProperty/UseTerms/Default.aspx

Since you're asking about the OEM version which is usually pre-installed
on a pre-built computer (or installed by a system builder which includes
yourself should you elect that position), select the "Pre-installed"
category.

My selections led me to:
http://download.microsoft.com/Documents/UseTerms/Windows
7_Professional_English_b7a7153f-1a6c-498c-9350-c86926bb1aa9.pdf

which says " The software license is permanently assigned to the
computer with which the software is distributed."

You didn't bother to mention WHICH edition you have. I picked the
Professional edition (and pre-installed for OEM versions).


Really? OEM versions usually cost me about half of the retail full
version. Maybe you were thinking of the retail upgrade version.

Windows 7 OEM version: $140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116989

Windows 7 retail upgrade version: $180
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116714

Windows 7 retail full version: $250
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116717

That's a $110 difference between full retail and OEM versions.
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V

VanguardLH

noname said:
Now i check my box and it says OEM System Builder Pack
and on the label it says Win Home Prem 7 SP1 64bit English 1pk DSP OEI
611 DVD.

But i want to be clear once more. Its not a new computer and it did
not came with the computer.
I bought it off a store and installed it. Everything works fine but
not sure if i can install it on a new pc or if i end up to have to buy
a brand new copy.
The "system builder" license is what was previously called the OEM
license. A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet.

http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/licensing/sblicensing/Pages/index.aspx

You buy the SB licensed product and then later you, the system builder,
install it. It is an OEM license that you put onto a pre-built
computer. That the computer gets "distributed" by you to you doesn't
change that you elected to be the original equipment manufacturer (OEM)
or the system builder.

You bought an OEM licensed product. You chose to be the system builder.
You perform the OS install. You distribute the pre-installed OS on the
pre-built computer. That the pre-installed pre-built platform was
distributed to yourself doesn't change your licensing role.
 
A

Allen Drake

Yes. This is your very first experience with any version of Windows?

Find End User License Terms for Microsoft Software Licensed by Microsoft
or the Computer Manufacturer
http://www.microsoft.com/About/Legal/EN/US/IntellectualProperty/UseTerms/Default.aspx

Since you're asking about the OEM version which is usually pre-installed
on a pre-built computer (or installed by a system builder which includes
yourself should you elect that position), select the "Pre-installed"
category.

My selections led me to:
http://download.microsoft.com/Documents/UseTerms/Windows
7_Professional_English_b7a7153f-1a6c-498c-9350-c86926bb1aa9.pdf

which says " The software license is permanently assigned to the
computer with which the software is distributed."

You didn't bother to mention WHICH edition you have. I picked the
Professional edition (and pre-installed for OEM versions).


Really? OEM versions usually cost me about half of the retail full
version. Maybe you were thinking of the retail upgrade version.

Windows 7 OEM version: $140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116989

Windows 7 retail upgrade version: $180
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116714

Windows 7 retail full version: $250
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116717

That's a $110 difference between full retail and OEM versions.
$99.00
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Windows...&ref=06&loc=01&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=2731899
 
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J. P. Gilliver (John)

noname said:
Now i check my box and it says OEM System Builder Pack
and on the label it says Win Home Prem 7 SP1 64bit English 1pk DSP OEI
611 DVD.

I am confused right now.
But i want to be clear once more. Its not a new computer and it did
not came with the computer.
I bought it off a store and installed it. Everything works fine but
not sure if i can install it on a new pc or if i end up to have to buy
a brand new copy.
[]
From what others have said, you can't _move_ it to a new (different)
computer - that's why it's cheaper than the full version, which you can
(only one computer at a time, though).

You may be able to _gradually_ turn your old computer into a new one, a
bit at a time: it does allow you to make small changes, to allow people
to upgrade their system (add more RAM or extra drives, for example).
Each type of hardware change has a score, a number of points, assigned
to it. It allows you to make up to a certain level of changes; the score
goes down after a certain time. Be aware that a motherboard has a very
high score, partly because it includes some things that could be
separate hardware (such as a network "card").
 
V

VanguardLH

Allen said:
Forgot to mention that the prices that I exampled were for the
Professional version. I don't waste my time with the Home editions.

Windows 7 Home OEM: $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

Windows 7 Home retail upgrade: $110
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116713

Windows 7 Home retail full: $190
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

Still a huge savings going OEM versus retail full version whether for
the Home or Professional editions. I'd like to know where the OP would
have been able to obtain the full retail version "which wasn't even that
much more expensive" than the OEM version.
 
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Allen Drake

Many people have said it in this thread: OEM can not be transferred to
a new computer.

O-E-M CAN NOT BE TRANSFERRED.
Can not or should not? I have done it so maybe you care to clarify.
 
J

J. P. Gilliver (John)

In message <[email protected]>, VanguardLH <[email protected]>
writes:
[]
Forgot to mention that the prices that I exampled were for the
Professional version. I don't waste my time with the Home editions.
Out of interest, why do you say that - what is missing from the home
editions that would make them a waste of your time?
[]
Still a huge savings going OEM versus retail full version whether for
the Home or Professional editions. I'd like to know where the OP would
have been able to obtain the full retail version "which wasn't even that
much more expensive" than the OEM version.
Ditto - though of course he may have been overcharged for the OEM one
(-:.
 
D

Dominique

Just a question regarding OEM Windows.
Right now i use a OEM but i was reading that OEM is bound to
particular hardware. That would mean that i can not install this OEM
on a new pc.
Is this true? If i knew that i would have bought the fullversion which
wasn't even that much more expensive.
A system builder OEM is not tied to hardware because MS has no way to know
which hardware it will be.

OTOH a branded OEM (Dell, HP, Acer, etc), could be tied to the BIOS.

Transferring a system builder OEM to new hardware will work if there is
enough time between the two installations but you'll be breaching the terms
of the licence and it's illegal.
 
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K

KCB

J. P. Gilliver (John) said:
In message <[email protected]>, VanguardLH <[email protected]>
writes:
[]
Forgot to mention that the prices that I exampled were for the
Professional version. I don't waste my time with the Home editions.
Out of interest, why do you say that - what is missing from the home
editions that would make them a waste of your time?

Start here, then click the various tabs for more information:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/compare
 
B

BillW50

A system builder OEM is not tied to hardware because MS has no way to know
which hardware it will be.

OTOH a branded OEM (Dell, HP, Acer, etc), could be tied to the BIOS.

Transferring a system builder OEM to new hardware will work if there is
enough time between the two installations but you'll be breaching the terms
of the licence and it's illegal.
This is all good and well from Microsoft's (or other developers) point
of view. But I often wonder why nobody ever mentions the injustice from
the consumers point of view?

As I have been burned many times by Microsoft and other software
developers. And lots of them offer a 30 day money back if you are
dissatisfied with their product.

Well I have taken up their offer dozens of times and I never ever got my
money back. Not once in decades of computer use. So what is the deal
with that? I've lost thousands of dollars from this nonsense over the
years. And I see nobody protecting the consumer about this problem.
 
K

Ken Springer

This is all good and well from Microsoft's (or other developers) point
of view. But I often wonder why nobody ever mentions the injustice from
the consumers point of view?

As I have been burned many times by Microsoft and other software
developers. And lots of them offer a 30 day money back if you are
dissatisfied with their product.

Well I have taken up their offer dozens of times and I never ever got my
money back. Not once in decades of computer use. So what is the deal
with that? I've lost thousands of dollars from this nonsense over the
years. And I see nobody protecting the consumer about this problem.
This may be a fine line (not a lawyer here), but the difference may be
you are purchasing a license to use a product, with stipulations, and
not the product itself. Sort of like leasing a new car as opposed to
buying it. If you don't like the stipulations, it's your choice as the
consumer to not buy the license.

I suspect the average consumer, if not the vast majority, know about the
EULA. How many people ever read the EULA? Further, how many people do
you know that got a used computer from someone/somewhere, with no
original system CD's, restore partition, COA sticker, etc.?



--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 10.0.2
Thunderbird 10.0.2
LibreOffice 3.5.0 rc3
 
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J. P. Gilliver (John)

KCB <[email protected]> said:
J. P. Gilliver (John) said:
In message <[email protected]>, VanguardLH <[email protected]>
writes:
[]
Forgot to mention that the prices that I exampled were for the
Professional version. I don't waste my time with the Home editions.
Out of interest, why do you say that - what is missing from the home
editions that would make them a waste of your time?

Start here, then click the various tabs for more information:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/compare
Yes, I could have found that for myself: I was curious which feature(s)
YOU considered it a waste of time not to have.

To save others the time, the above page lists the differences as:

o XP mode only available in Pro
o company networks easier and more secure in Pro
o backup to a network only available in Pro
o BitLocker encryption only available in Ult
o language-switching only available in Ult
 

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