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Char Jackson
Thanks. I checked the web site and they say it can't do what I want, so I'll
have to pass.
have to pass.
C
Char Jackson
I don't think that's true.
C
Char Jackson
I already use ClassicShell and as far as I can tell, it doesn't do
everything I need.
C
Char Jackson
Thanks, Ken, that's correct. I have no use for the new UI at all. I don't
want to go there intentionally and I certainly don't want to go there
accidentally. That includes things like disabling the corner hot zones, the
charms bar, and everything else associated with the new UI.
That's another thing, yes.
I appreciate that. What's minor for one person is not so minor to another
person.
As far as I can tell, neither of those programs can do everything that I
want, so I may go to Win7 until the next version of Win8 is released. I'm
speaking, of course, of the rumored 8B version that brings back the Start
button and makes the desktop UI the default. The devil is in the details,
however, so I'll wait for reviews before coming back to 8 from 7.
<http://www.zdnet.com/microsofts-win...-the-start-button-boot-to-desktop-7000014075/>
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Mellowed
The Ken Blake post of 815AM this date (4/17) says that it is true.
Spend your $5 and then tell us 'I told you so'.
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Gene E. Bloch
Actually, the one thing that might drive me to a Mac or to Linux is the
term "charm".
I can tolerate almost everything else about W8 that I've seen so far.
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Ken Blake
Yep! We are all different and have different views on many things.
Yes, "rumored." But rumors don't always turn out to be correct, and my
guess is that this one won't.
But I hope I'm wrong!
K
Ken Blake
LOL! I'm not crazy about that name either, but since I never see them,
I don't pay any attention to what they are called.
K
Ken Blake
Sorry, but no I didn't say that. One of the things Char wants it
*won't* do.
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Mellowed
Well, OK. I do need new glasses, but this is what I read - -
(Ken)
I can confirm it. It's not just a setup option, but a configuration
option after setting up.<<<<<
But it really doesn't make any difference and not worth pursuing.
K
Ken Blake
You're right-- no big deal and I certainly don't want to argue about
it. But one of the things Char said was "Also, were you able to kill
the capability to switch UI's when pressing the Windows key by
itself?
"Until I can completely hide the new UI, I'm still recommending Win7
to the people who ask me, so it would be nice to address these last
few items."
As far as I know, there's no way to do that, so Char can't "completely
hide the new UI." As I said earlier, I think that what Char wants is a
minor point, and not worth worrying about, but he disagrees and has a
right to that opinion.
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Char Jackson
Thanks, Gene. Your example illustrates my point perfectly.
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Roy Smith
I must be really dense or something but I don't see what you're talking
about. I use Start8 and have it configured so that I don't see the
Modern interface at all when I press the Windows key by itself. I've
even disabled all of the hotspots around the edges and the only way
you'd know that this was a Win8 PC is by the very first item in the
Start menu, which as afar as I can tell right now, it's the only way I
ever see the modern interface.
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Roy Smith
Windows 8 64-Bit
Thunderbird 17.0.5
Friday, April 19, 2013 12:38:49 PM
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Ken Blake
OK, if you can do that, then I must be wrong when I said Start8
couldn't do that. But I just looked at the configuration menu again,
and couldn't find out how to do it.
Personally, I don't want it to work that way, but as a matter of
interest, I'd like to know how. So please tell us.
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Roy Smith
Forgot to include a screenshot because I realized that I didn't have the
software installed, so here is a screen shot of my start menu:
http://my.jetscreenshot.com/1443/20130419-tvbc-51kb
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Roy Smith
Windows 8 64-Bit
Thunderbird 17.0.5
Friday, April 19, 2013 1:09:28 PM
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Roy Smith
Which version of Start8 are you using? I'm using V 1.15. Anyway here
are a set of screenshots of my configuration:
http://my.jetscreenshot.com/1443/20130419-yyfc-67kb
http://my.jetscreenshot.com/1443/20130419-hssr-68kb
http://my.jetscreenshot.com/1443/20130419-zcen-85kb
http://my.jetscreenshot.com/1443/20130419-eyy3-70kb
Those are the four main settings windows showing how I have it configured.
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Roy Smith
Windows 8 64-Bit
Thunderbird 17.0.5
Friday, April 19, 2013 1:29:52 PM
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Ken Blake
There it is! The second item on the "Control" screen. I missed it.
Sorry.
And to Char: what I said is wrong and Roy Smith is right. Yes, you
*can* disable the Windows key's going to the Modern interface.
There it is! The second item on the "Control" screen. I missed it.
Sorry.
And to Char: what I said is wrong and Roy Smith is right. Yes, you
*can* disable the Windows key's going to the Modern interface.
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...winston
"Char Jackson" wrote in message news:[email protected] far as I can tell, neither of those programs can do everything that I
want, so I may go to Win7 until the next version of Win8 is released. I'm
speaking, of course, of the rumored 8B version that brings back the Start
button and makes the desktop UI the default. The devil is in the details,
however, so I'll wait for reviews before coming back to 8 from 7.
UI) but not as significant as those who just wish to boot to the desktop after sign-on (Msft account or Local account).
Imo, what's more likely to happen going forward.
1. Possibility to boot straight to the desktop
2. Possibility to reenact the Start Button (but only for the existing Winkey X/lower left flyout menu)
3. No possibility to completely disable the Start Menu (too much skin is already in that game for MSFT, app developers, and OEM
specific updates)
i.e. no return of the Start Menu button with the current Win7 (and earlier o/s) program menu shortcuts, pinned programs or recent
program etc.
What I also think is possible (but not necessarily my preference) since Win8 now deploys both product and security updates for apps
through the MSFT Store is
standardization of notification and deploying all Microsoft related updates (WU/MU) for their products via the Store...thus the
ability to
completely divorce oneself from the Modern UI may not be a future option. Likewise with that may also be (since its not entirely
inconceivable) the need to use a validate-able MSFT account to obtain said product and security updates.
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....winston
msft mvp consumer apps
want, so I may go to Win7 until the next version of Win8 is released. I'm
speaking, of course, of the rumored 8B version that brings back the Start
button and makes the desktop UI the default. The devil is in the details,
however, so I'll wait for reviews before coming back to 8 from 7.
I think your position is not an uncommon to what others have noted/mentioned to me (the ability to completely turn off the Modern
UI) but not as significant as those who just wish to boot to the desktop after sign-on (Msft account or Local account).
Imo, what's more likely to happen going forward.
1. Possibility to boot straight to the desktop
2. Possibility to reenact the Start Button (but only for the existing Winkey X/lower left flyout menu)
3. No possibility to completely disable the Start Menu (too much skin is already in that game for MSFT, app developers, and OEM
specific updates)
i.e. no return of the Start Menu button with the current Win7 (and earlier o/s) program menu shortcuts, pinned programs or recent
program etc.
What I also think is possible (but not necessarily my preference) since Win8 now deploys both product and security updates for apps
through the MSFT Store is
standardization of notification and deploying all Microsoft related updates (WU/MU) for their products via the Store...thus the
ability to
completely divorce oneself from the Modern UI may not be a future option. Likewise with that may also be (since its not entirely
inconceivable) the need to use a validate-able MSFT account to obtain said product and security updates.
-- --
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps
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Char Jackson
Thanks, winston. I'm not interested in Win8's Modern UI and I'm *really* not
interested in using a Microsoft account to do anything, so I'll probably
just wipe this laptop and put 7 on it. For me, 8 is not better in any
significant way.
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...winston
"Char Jackson" wrote in message
Thanks, winston. I'm not interested in Win8's Modern UI and I'm *really* not
interested in using a Microsoft account to do anything, so I'll probably
just wipe this laptop and put 7 on it. For me, 8 is not better in any
significant way.
Windows 7 is a good choice. Even MSFT is comfortable with continued use of Win7.
It's different for those using XP which have to make a choice in the foreseeable future (especially those who rely on retail based
OEMs for pcs since Win7 pre-installed will diminish).
-- --
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps
Thanks, winston. I'm not interested in Win8's Modern UI and I'm *really* not
interested in using a Microsoft account to do anything, so I'll probably
just wipe this laptop and put 7 on it. For me, 8 is not better in any
significant way.
Windows 7 is a good choice. Even MSFT is comfortable with continued use of Win7.
It's different for those using XP which have to make a choice in the foreseeable future (especially those who rely on retail based
OEMs for pcs since Win7 pre-installed will diminish).
-- --
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps