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BillW50

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Sam said:
Most hard? <lol> Have you tried 40tude Dialog? Arguably one of the
best newsreaders ever. If you need an option, it's already included.

http://dialog.datalist.org/

On second thought, don't bother. You wouldn't be able to handle it
with your third-grade skills.
Keep dreaming bozo! Been there is done that. But I moved on. You will
too after 17 years. You just don't know any better yet. But you have
about 17 years of dreaming left and then you will realize what has
happened.
 
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QuestionQuigley

"QuestionQuigley" wrote in message

How does one set a newsgroup response in Live mail so that the original
posting is indented or marked off with a symbol such as "<."

I can seem to find a way to do that.

Thanks,

Quigley

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WOW, what have I wrought?

I do long for Netscape Messenger (or whatever it was called).

Thanks for all of the answers.

Quigley
 
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Char Jackson

About every year I try Agent. Mostly because people tell me how great it
is. And my reaction is always the same. And I think the last time I
tried it a few months ago and that just might have been my last. I have
fallen for that crap for 17 years now and I am just too tired to keep
trying it again.
Some people just aren't computer people, as evidenced by the constant
stream of problems you seem to have. I suggest you try a new hobby.
How do you feel about woodworking?
 
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BillW50

In
Char said:
It looks that way to me, as well.
And I hoped you were smarter than that. So you too love to waste other
people time too. Shame on you!
 
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Char Jackson

Most hard? <lol> Have you tried 40tude Dialog? Arguably one of the
best newsreaders ever. If you need an option, it's already included.

http://dialog.datalist.org/

On second thought, don't bother. You wouldn't be able to handle it with
your third-grade skills.
Does it have CTRL-H? If not, don't even waste his time. He won't be
interested.
 
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BillW50

In
Char said:
Some people just aren't computer people, as evidenced by the constant
stream of problems you seem to have. I suggest you try a new hobby.
How do you feel about woodworking?
Gosh! You haven't been listening at all! I have been there for decades
and I have been there and done that. All of it isn't hard for me at all.
But you just don't get it do you? Apparently not! As you people
apparently have to learn like I did. And don't be insulting Char, that
is just being stupid!
 
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BillW50

In
Char said:
Does it have CTRL-H? If not, don't even waste his time. He won't be
interested.
Char, are you trying to be as stupid as you can? Because you are doing a
great job of it if you are.
 
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Char Jackson

In

Keep dreaming. It isn't a big secret the Agent is the most hard to use
and most complex reader out there. If you love complex and hard to use
readers, Agent is for you.
Seeing as how Agent was far and away the most popular newsreader from
1995 to at least 2005, I think the secret was pretty safe. Since you
apparently had trouble with it when so few others did, perhaps the
problem was with you.
 
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BillW50

In
Char said:
Seeing as how Agent was far and away the most popular newsreader from
1995 to at least 2005, I think the secret was pretty safe. Since you
apparently had trouble with it when so few others did, perhaps the
problem was with you.
I don't have any problems with Agent at all! I just don't like doing
things the hard way anymore! How dumb do you have to be to understand
this! Are you really that dumb?
 
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Ken Springer

In

What do you mean Ken?
John Williams simply offered 3 alternatives to WLM. He never said one
was better than the other. It was you who called all three programs
"crap". Your word, not mine. :) (Personally, never heard of Turnpike.)

Basically, you're.... (I hate using this word, but at the moment I've no
alternative) accusing folks of doing users a disservice by recommending
software you don't like. But, equally, you are doing the users a
disservice by saying people should not try those programs based on your
opinion.

You're just pushing the opposite opinion of a given newsreader and what
makes a good newsreader.
Agent is very complex and hard to use.
But that's your opinion. Just because you find it hard to use is no
guarantee others will find it that way.
It has been
that way since '95 and continues to this very day. Why not tell the
truth? Why do you know of a more harder and more complex reader? If you
do, I love to hear about it. ;-)
Using a 7 year old article about a version that is long gone does not
support your point of view. You need to support your points with an
article or articles on the current version.

It's like doing a report in school on the sinking of the Titanic using
the old data and conclusions that the rivets "unzipped" and opened up a
seam in the hull. Yet current data and testing points to the conclusion
the rivets did not fail, the ship just hit the iceberg with such force
the materials failed. The rivets held. (Often the case with riveted
and welded joints. I often saw wrecked aircraft where the riveted seam
held and the surrounding material failed.)

Supporting their research is the fact the Lusitania, Andrea Doria, and
Costa Concordia went down in minutes. Yet the Titanic floated for over
2 hours.

Some people find Macs easy to use, others can't stand them. Some people
find Windows easy to use, others can't figure them out. I have a friend
who was forced to switch to Windows by her job, school teacher. She
never had problems dealing with Macs, but never could understand
Windows. When her 6 month old Win laptop was stolen, I recommended she
pay the price penalty and buy a Mac. She did, and has been a happy
camper ever since.

To be honest, Bill, when it comes to newsreaders, I think you are coming
across like a fanboi of one of one operating system that is not about to
admit his OS has problems. It doesn't matter which side of that fence
you're on, there's no right answer. (I think having to set the default
browser and email client from within the preferences of Apple Mail and
Safari is stupid. LOL)

Or, it's like watching a Chevy fanatic trying to convince a Ford fanatic
that the Chevy is the be all end all, and all Fords are junk. It's not
going to happen! LOL

Both sides have pluses and minuses, and those pluses and minuses fit
different people. Always has, always will.

There is no "right" newsreader for everyone. And if the users tests out
a particular newsreader, but does not take the time to really learn the
program, the user may come away with the wrong opinion for *that* user,
but not for everyone. I'm not saying you didn't learn the program, just
saying that because you don't like a particular program does not make it
"crap" or the wrong choice for others.

For the record, I've had this Mac 3 years, and at times it befuddles me
and drives me up the wall! Some of the ways the OS does things seem
absolutely stupid to me. LOL But, I'll never go back to a Windows
machine as my primary computer unless forced to by circumstances.

Let people choose their own newsreader or other software, it's their
choice. But don't tell them they are wrong, you just open yourself up
to take all kinds of hits, as you're finding out. :)



Hmmmm, I sure hope that all made sense! LOL

--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 12.0
Thunderbird 12.0
LibreOffice 3.5.2.2
 
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Erik Vastmasd

I caught a glimpse of "QuestionQuigley" <[email protected]> on Sun,
29 Apr 2012 22:39:19 -0400, writing in alt.windows7.general:

WOW, what have I wrought?

I do long for Netscape Messenger (or whatever it was called).

Thanks for all of the answers.

Quigley
LOL. Did any of the answers help. :)
 
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Char Jackson

It's like doing a report in school on the sinking of the Titanic using
the old data and conclusions that the rivets "unzipped" and opened up a
seam in the hull. Yet current data and testing points to the conclusion
the rivets did not fail, the ship just hit the iceberg with such force
the materials failed. The rivets held. (Often the case with riveted
and welded joints. I often saw wrecked aircraft where the riveted seam
held and the surrounding material failed.)

Supporting their research is the fact the Lusitania, Andrea Doria, and
Costa Concordia went down in minutes. Yet the Titanic floated for over
2 hours.
Two hours, or roughly the amount of time of a modern day feature
length movie. Coincidence? I think not!

;-)

There is no "right" newsreader for everyone. And if the users tests out
a particular newsreader, but does not take the time to really learn the
program, the user may come away with the wrong opinion for *that* user,
but not for everyone. I'm not saying you didn't learn the program, just
saying that because you don't like a particular program does not make it
"crap" or the wrong choice for others.
Well said.
 
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Sam Hill

Keep dreaming bozo! Been there is done that. But I moved on. You will
too after 17 years. You just don't know any better yet. But you have
about 17 years of dreaming left and then you will realize what has
happened.
Are you saying that as you've aged, you've lost your skills? You have
early onset dementia? Next year, you'll have only *second* grade skills
and will be reduced to using WLM as it'll be the only one you can
understand.

You should prepare now, and unsubscribe from Usenet.
 
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Steve Hayes

In

Thunderbird, Turnpike, and Agent are terrible! Why do you push that crap
for?
No matter how bad they are, they are better than Windows Live mail
 
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Steve Hayes

Just about anything will put in quote marks. Except
perhaps something written by Microsoft, which
has to "gimp into last place" when it comes
to newsreading and writing. I think their bad
implementation, is a source of pride to them.
And also e-mail in mailing lists.
 
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Ken Springer

Two hours, or roughly the amount of time of a modern day feature
length movie. Coincidence? I think not!

;-)
Thinking back, it may have just been an hour and a half. I got the info
from the recent History channel, 2 hour presentation. It also turned
out that one of Titanic's sister ship did have a leak issue at a seam.
So they reinforced that area on the Titanic. Destructive testing of
cast rivets and steel made from materials of the day showed the rivets
did not fail, and the material simply bent.

When you think about Titanic's engineering, or the steam locomotives of
the 40's and 50's, remember they had no calculators and computers.
Those guys knew their stuff.
Well said.
Thanks.


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 12.0
Thunderbird 12.0
LibreOffice 3.5.2.2
 
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VanguardLH

BillW50 said:
If you bought a brand new automobile and that only thing that worked
was the radio, would you call the automobile as working? I wouldn't.
An invalid comparison. You don't like that one function is missing.
So, using your own comparison, would you keep a car whose backlight for
the radio didn't work (i.e., the other newsreaders)? Or would you buy a
car that didn't have a reverse gear (WLM with its lack of quoting)?

With WLM, yes, you can do the quoting manually. You could keep driving
to make successive turns to eventually go back the other direction.

For what the OP asked, LOTS of newsreaders will meet his request. If
and only if the OP asks about the Ctrl+H feature does it then become an
issue. You are basing your claim on criteria not posed by the OP. You
are complaining about the lack of a convenience feature versus something
that violates Usenet netiquette and should be repaired manually before
submitting a post (but, as with OE and now WLM users, and even with
low-frequency users or other newsreaders, they're too lazy to do all
that manual editing before submission).

As OE-QuoteFix repaired problems in OE, I wonder if there'll be a
WLM-QuoteFix to fix its problems?
Yes the earlier version is available from Microsoft.

Full Version Installer English Language version
http://g.live.com/1rewlive3/en/wlsetup-all.exe
I'm curious on how you navigate to that page. Well, it's not a page but
an executable but if Microsoft is providing it as an official download
then there should be a page from where you download it. Personally, and
as part of safe hex, if I tell someone where to get a program, I point
to a download page and not to the actual download file.

I did some wandering around their site and it looks like you do the
following to find the download page:
- Go to http://get.live.com (or where you get redirected which is
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-live/essentials-home).
- Click on "Other Programs".
- Click on "Mail".
- If and ONLY IF you connect using Windows XP will that page offer the
download you mention.
- If you connect to that page and "Windows Live Essentials for Windows
XP" is not presented, then click on the "Downloads" link in the navbar
and select Windows XP.
- Scroll down to find Windows Live Essentials.

The assumption is that the latest version of WLM available under Windows
XP is version 14 (so you're not stuck with v15 that removed the proper
quotation of cited content in reply posts). That is, you need the Wave3
version of WLM (which you can get for Windows XP) and not the Wave5
version of WLM.

Just to be sure that download file installs WLM v14 (or something
earlier than v15), I used that file to install WLM into a virtual
machine (but it was running Windows XP, not Windows 7). Thankfully that
does install v14. So to get v14 (Wave3) verison of WLM means making
sure you use Microsoft's Windows XP download page (or connect using
Windows XP - and NOT with Windows 7, the topic of this newsgroup, as
you'll get the v15/Wave5 version).

Thanks for that info. Nice to know the old version is still accessible.
 
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VanguardLH

QuestionQuigley said:
"QuestionQuigley" wrote in message
How does one set a newsgroup response in Live mail so that the original
posting is indented or marked off with a symbol such as "<."

I can seem to find a way to do that.

Thanks,

Quigley

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WOW, what have I wrought?

I do long for Netscape Messenger (or whatever it was called).

Thanks for all of the answers.

Quigley
If you continue using WLM, you'll have to manually do the quoting and
indentation. It's a pain. For example, in your reply, although you
attempted to separate your reply from the quoted content, it really
didn't work, did it? The quoted and new content are at the same
indentation level. There really is no quoting of cited content in a
reply, anymore. Unless you go back to v14 which Bill was kind enough to
provide a link. However, don't expect Microsoft to ever return proper
quoting of cited content in replies which means you'll be forever stuck
back on an old version.

Someone else might remember its name but I recall seeing someone come up
with a fix for this deficiency. I think it was a macro (script) that
went into the body (or used a pasted copy of it) to properly quote and
indent the cited content in a reply post. I think what I saw was:

http://www.dusko-lolic.from.hr/wlmquote/

It requires you install AutoHotkey to define scripts you can run inside
apps. It has to recognize the window for WLM and then run its script to
modify the body of your post. However, it does not automatically
reformat the cited content to indent with the quoting character. You
have to remember to run the script BEFORE you submit the post (i.e., you
manually run the script before clicking Send). I've never used it and
don't know anyone that's used it.
 
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...winston

Inline..

"VanguardLH" wrote in message
As OE-QuoteFix repaired problems in OE, I wonder if there'll be a
WLM-QuoteFix to fix its problems?

--> Highly unlikely (unless reverse engineering comes into play, the WLM API
was never made public)

I'm curious on how you navigate to that page.
http://g.live.com/1rewlive3/en/wlsetup-all.exe
- If and ONLY IF you connect using Windows XP will that page offer the
download you mention.

-->Correct

Just to be sure that download file installs WLM v14 (or something
earlier than v15), I used that file to install WLM into a virtual
machine (but it was running Windows XP, not Windows 7). Thankfully that
does install v14. So to get v14 (Wave3) verison of WLM means making
sure you use Microsoft's Windows XP download page (or connect using
Windows XP - and NOT with Windows 7, the topic of this newsgroup, as
you'll get the v15/Wave5 version).

--> There is no Wave 5 version of WLM/WL Essentials (v15 is Wave 4, even the
latest QFE3)

Wave 5, apparently now only a term that the media uses (i.e not by MSFT)
applies to activities for Windows Live Services (e.g. Hotmail, SkyDrive,
Win8's communication Metro apps (Mail, Messaging, People, Photos, SkyDrive,
Calendar - which are more akin to Windows Phone than WL Essentials and
should be referenced as such)
- thus for all practical purposes WL Essentials (any and all versions) are
now legacy software (like OE, Windows Mail, Digital Image Suite and so on)

Fyi...
All links for WLE versions (2009-v14 Wave 3 and 2011-V15 Wave 4) on the Msft
servers can be found here:
Windows Live Downloads
http://liveunplugged.wordpress.com/2012/03/20/windows-live-downloads-version-2/

These might also come in handy.
Windows Live Essentials 2011 Application Version Numbers
https://liveunplugged.wordpress.com...-essentials-2011-application-version-numbers/

Windows Live Essentials Application Version(2009) Numbers
http://liveunplugged.wordpress.com/...-essentials-2009-application-version-numbers/


....winston
msft mvp mail
 

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