Have a dumb question about purchasing Windows 7 .....


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chicagofan

I've never purchased any MS software retail... always got new O/S with a
new computer. What I want to know is, when a seller advertises the Win7
software "with license and media"... does "media" mean it comes with a disk?

I'm puzzled, because some other Windows O/S software on the same page,
says with "traditional disk". That's important to me, because I'll
need a disk. My daughter is like "Dennis the Menace" on computers.
:( TIA for any responses, I'm dumping Win8 despite the extra expense.
bj
 
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Gene E. Bloch

I've never purchased any MS software retail... always got new O/S with a
new computer. What I want to know is, when a seller advertises the Win7
software "with license and media"... does "media" mean it comes with a disk?

I'm puzzled, because some other Windows O/S software on the same page,
says with "traditional disk". That's important to me, because I'll
need a disk. My daughter is like "Dennis the Menace" on computers.
:( TIA for any responses, I'm dumping Win8 despite the extra expense.
bj
Not to be redundant, although it's hard to avoid in this case, but
"media" usually means the media on which such things as software and
music are sold.

So if you don't get a CD or DVD, they are advertising falsely.
 
C

chicagofan

Gene said:
Not to be redundant, although it's hard to avoid in this case, but
"media" usually means the media on which such things as software and
music are sold.

So if you don't get a CD or DVD, they are advertising falsely.
LOL... thanks. That's what I thought, but I assume nothing when it
comes to MS, and was wondering what the experience of those who purchase
retail has been. :)
bj
 
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...winston‫

chicagofan said:
I've never purchased any MS software retail... always got new O/S with a
new computer. What I want to know is, when a seller advertises the Win7
software "with license and media"... does "media" mean it comes with a
disk?

I'm puzzled, because some other Windows O/S software on the same page,
says with "traditional disk". That's important to me, because I'll
need a disk. My daughter is like "Dennis the Menace" on computers. :(
TIA for any responses, I'm dumping Win8 despite the extra expense.
bj
Media usually implies a disk for the advertised product.

When purchasing Windows software that is not pre-installed on a machine
it would be prudent to understand the exact type being purchased.
e.g.
- Win7, Vista, XP was available in Retail Upgrade, Retail Full, OEM
Full version.
- Windows 8 is available in Retail Upgrade, and Personal Use for
System Builders Full version (i.e. there is no full retail version of
Windows 8 being marketed or sold)
 
K

Ken1943

I've never purchased any MS software retail... always got new O/S with a
new computer. What I want to know is, when a seller advertises the Win7
software "with license and media"... does "media" mean it comes with a disk?

I'm puzzled, because some other Windows O/S software on the same page,
says with "traditional disk". That's important to me, because I'll
need a disk. My daughter is like "Dennis the Menace" on computers.
:( TIA for any responses, I'm dumping Win8 despite the extra expense.
bj
One of the best places to purchase from is 'Newegg'. If you are planning
to wipe the disk and install, an upgrade version can be used. Just make
sure you can get all the drivers for Win 7. Just a minor trick for using
an upgrade version.


KenW
 
P

Paul

chicagofan said:
I've never purchased any MS software retail... always got new O/S with a
new computer. What I want to know is, when a seller advertises the Win7
software "with license and media"... does "media" mean it comes with a
disk?

I'm puzzled, because some other Windows O/S software on the same page,
says with "traditional disk". That's important to me, because I'll
need a disk. My daughter is like "Dennis the Menace" on computers.
:( TIA for any responses, I'm dumping Win8 despite the extra expense.
bj
Media means with a disc. Preferably two disks, one for 32 bit
installs, one for 64 bit installs.

I some cases, this would also include a COA,
Certificate of Authenticity, to stick on the machine.
The COA has a copy of the license key, and should
be adhered to the machine in a way it won't get scratched
off. The fonts are generally so small, it would not take
much to make them totally unreadable.

Now, if this purchase is coming from Ebay, you want to
avoid a package that includes a home-burned DVD and a
VLK. The VLK would be stolen from some company, and is
a Volume License Key. VLKs are not intended for individual
resale, as far as I know.

That's where sources like Newegg come in. Generally, a retailer
of that sort, won't be pushing something like a VLK. Whereas
with Ebay, you never know what you're going to get. Could be
good, could be bad. The problem with a VLK, from a practical
perspective, is it could be rejected at a later date,
leading to "this OS isn't genuine" at some future date
when the VLK is revoked due to abuse.

*******

A purchased Windows 8 computer, can come with downgrade rights.
That means, you get a copy of Windows 7 on demand. You need to
check the details of that program, before buying the machine.
Perhaps a business class machine has it, and a home one
doesn't. The program may be well hidden, and not actively
pushed by the manufacturer. That's the cheapest way to get
a copy (if you don't include any price premium they might
be charging because a downgrade is available).

If you buy a copy of Windows 8 off some store shelf,
that typically doesn't come with downgrade rights. As
far as I know, the downgrade program applies to "royalty OEM"
situations. It's to provide sales flexibility, in
situations where the current OS installed in the OEN PC,
is hated, and customers keep asking for a previous one.
I expect the program had its roots at Microsoft head office,
but don't expect every Dell/HP/Acer/Gateway to support it with
equal vigor. For example, you might get some whining about "drivers"
or the like. The drivers since Vista, would share a lot
in common, with the exception perhaps of the video card.
And in that category, a laptop is likely to offer the
most resistance, if the manufacturer didn't "do the right
thing". For desktops, you can get the driver from NVidia
or ATI. For laptops, it's the LCD panel customization
that generally makes the laptop manufacturer the source
of the "tweaked" package. Occasionally, a laptop forum
has tweaked drivers as well, if you want to spend the
time tracking them down.

Paul
 
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mick

chicagofan said:
Media means with a disc. Preferably two disks, one for 32 bit
installs, one for 64 bit installs.
My genuine retail Windows 7 Home Premium has 32bit and 64bit versions
on the same disk.
 
M

mick

I'm dumping Win8 despite the extra expense.

Win 8 is very much like win 7, do you really need to dump it?
If it is just the look of the desk top, there is free software out
there to make it look like win 7.
 
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Juan Wei

chicagofan has written on 8/16/2013 5:20 PM:
I'm dumping Win8 despite the extra expense.
You know you can make Win 8 look and act like Win 7, right?
 
J

Johnny

chicagofan has written on 8/16/2013 5:20 PM:

You know you can make Win 8 look and act like Win 7, right?
There is a big difference in looking like it and using it.
 
J

Juan Wei

Johnny has written on 8/16/2013 7:44 PM:
There is a big difference in looking like it and using it.
I have a laptop that looks like and works like Win 7. I have to remind
myself that it actually has Win 8 installed!

BTW, your statement makes no sense, logically. Did you mean "acting"
rather than "using"?
 
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Paul

mick said:
My genuine retail Windows 7 Home Premium has 32bit and 64bit versions on
the same disk.
Is there an extra prompt, to select one of the other ?

I thought it was supposed to be two discs.

Paul
 
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Wolf K

I've never purchased any MS software retail... always got new O/S with a
new computer. What I want to know is, when a seller advertises the Win7
software "with license and media"... does "media" mean it comes with a
disk?

I'm puzzled, because some other Windows O/S software on the same page,
says with "traditional disk". That's important to me, because I'll
need a disk. My daughter is like "Dennis the Menace" on computers. :(
TIA for any responses, I'm dumping Win8 despite the extra expense.
bj
Well, actually, you can make W8 behave almost exactly like W7 by using
Classic Shell or another 3rd party applet to avoid that Metro interface.
The differences will almost all be in W8's favour, at least that's what
I've found.

So my advice is: don't buy W7. But if you do, it should come on a DVD is
a nice plastic case, plus a booklet of quick start instructions. And
though you didn't ask: I'd get the Pro version.

And though you didn't ask: set up a severely restricted user account for
your daughter, so she can only run programs and save data on specified
partitions (aka "drives" or "volumes"). Assign her own password, and
never, ever, tell her yours.

HTH
 
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Wolf K

There is a big difference in looking like it and using it.
Not that I've noticed. Except for the occasional sudden appearance of
the settings icons on the right side. I avoid "libraries" and "apps",
prefer to install my own choices. None of the apps do anything better,
and most do it worse, than the freeware and shareware out there.
 
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Johnny

Johnny has written on 8/16/2013 7:44 PM:

I have a laptop that looks like and works like Win 7. I have to remind
myself that it actually has Win 8 installed!

BTW, your statement makes no sense, logically. Did you mean "acting"
rather than "using"?
I mean using it.
 
R

Rodney Pont

Is there an extra prompt, to select one of the other ?

I thought it was supposed to be two discs.
My Windows 7 Home Premium is two discs, one for 32bit and one for 64
bit.
 
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...winston

"Paul" wrote in message If you buy a copy of Windows 8 off some store shelf,
that typically doesn't come with downgrade rights. As
far as I know, the downgrade program applies to "royalty OEM"
situations.
Correct, downgrade rights are applicable to OEM versions (pre-installed) and
for Win8 it is incumbent upon the buyer to provide the downgrade o/s.
- primary reason (OEM's and MSFT desire to reduce/deprecate the amount of
o/s requiring support)

The only Windows 8 that one can buy off a store shelf is
Windows 8 - Retail Upgrade
Windows 8 Pro - Retail Upgrade

A few select store retailers (any more web retailers) carry the Personal Use
For System Builder Version in 32 or 64 bit flavors
- i.e. this version only includes 1 DVD - 32 bit **or** 64 bit
 
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mick

mick said:
Is there an extra prompt, to select one of the other ?

I thought it was supposed to be two discs.

Paul
:[email protected] oooops, red face and all that, I just looked in the CD case, it is
TWO disks, well I could have sworn it was one, so sorry folks :/
 
J

Juan Wei

Johnny has written on 8/16/2013 9:10 PM:
I mean using it.
Oh, I see. You're saying that when a person runs "win 8 that looks like
win 7", it doesn't act like win 7.

Well, you're wrong. As I said, my laptop has Win 8 and is configured to
look like and act like Win 7, so when I use it, I think it's a Win 7
computer.
 
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B

Bert

In news:[email protected] Juan Wei said:
As I said, my laptop has Win 8 and is configured to
look like and act like Win 7, so when I use it, I think it's a Win 7
computer.
Do all the applications you run think it's a Win 7 computer?
 

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