going back to 7

[charlie]

Who said anything about disrespecting windows 8. The wife likes it but
it will simply not run properly on her computer.

If the complete backup was a complete backup, it will restore things to
what they were when the backup was made.

Which reminds me to get serious about fixing my home server that, when
working, automatically backs up all the household computers.
It has an intermittent failure that can be backplane, MBD, or HD related.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

If the complete backup was a complete backup, it will restore things to
what they were when the backup was made.

Indeed, assuming it was done with something (or you have something else)
that allows it (the backup) to be restored. (Doing backups without such
a mechanism available seems daft to me, though pretty widespread!)

Which reminds me to get serious about fixing my home server that, when
working, automatically backs up all the household computers.
It has an intermittent failure that can be backplane, MBD, or HD related.

Sounds a serious machine, if backplane isn't the same as MBD; is it one
of these industrial PCs where the processor is on a plugin card?
(Basically, I'm just curious/nosey about what "backplane" means in this
context. Sorry, OT.)

 

[gufus]

Maybe keep Windows8 and use the computer as a Frisbee. )

Or maybe a door wedge

 

[charlie]

Indeed, assuming it was done with something (or you have something else)
that allows it (the backup) to be restored. (Doing backups without such
a mechanism available seems daft to me, though pretty widespread!)

Sounds a serious machine, if backplane isn't the same as MBD; is it one
of these industrial PCs where the processor is on a plugin card?
(Basically, I'm just curious/nosey about what "backplane" means in this
context. Sorry, OT.)

It's an older HP "home server", running an MS 2002 server OPS system.
The case size is small, and the "backplane" is used to connect the SATA
drives instead of cables, among other things. It may run fine for
months, hickup, and then complain about a failed drive or two. There are
three 1.5TB drives in a raid array. External drives can be used, but not
for backup operation and storage. One of the problems is that the
hardware drivers and BIOS have not been updated (updates not available),
so running later MS server versions causes problems. We bought it
several years ago as unused surplus new in box for cheap.
I do have a spare desktop or two that just might be used as a
replacement with later server versions.

 

[Paul]

It's an older HP "home server", running an MS 2002 server OPS system.
The case size is small, and the "backplane" is used to connect the SATA
drives instead of cables, among other things. It may run fine for
months, hickup, and then complain about a failed drive or two. There are
three 1.5TB drives in a raid array. External drives can be used, but not
for backup operation and storage. One of the problems is that the
hardware drivers and BIOS have not been updated (updates not available),
so running later MS server versions causes problems. We bought it
several years ago as unused surplus new in box for cheap.
I do have a spare desktop or two that just might be used as a
replacement with later server versions.

Do the drives have the "TLER" setting ?
Maybe the dropouts are due to the usage of non-RAID drives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TLER

It's all a silly gimmick, but what are you gonna do ?

Paul

 

[JCO]

If the computer was set up correctly, meaning the data is on a separate
partition than the OS & Installed Programs and you backup was done using an
Imaging Tool, then it is very easy to restore the partition that need
restoring and nothing is lost (except time). You won't need to install
service packs or updates because the Image already contains them. You won't
loose data because it's on a different partition.

Other than that, you most likely have lots of work ahead of you depending on
how long you've been running Windows 8.

This is just my opinion, but Windows 8 was never meant to replace Windows 7
on a desktop computer. If that is what you did, then you really should wait
for Windows 9 which is intended to replace Win 7 and have similar
horsepower. The main purpose for Win 8 is to have a cross platform OS. In
that regards, it's a success and fun to play with, but definitely a
downgrade to Win 7.


"Drew" wrote in message
Recently I upgraded the wife's computer to win 8 and unfortunately it is
too unstable to keep. (a long long story) I am now forced to return it
to win 7. First off I did a complete backup of all before I upgraded to
win 8. The question is since I am forced to take it back to 7 will I
have to download all the updates to win 7 (sp1+) or will it restore that
after installing win 7 and restoring the backup? No sense in discussing
the possibility of a workaround to keep win 8 as Microsoft worked on it
for 3 days before they gave up and advised me to return it to 7. Hell I
got it more stable than they could. The problem is it cannot be
restarted without crashing and cannot be updated without crashing. If I
run it without anything like that it runs fine. Problem is I cannot even
put any protection on it without a serious crash at all.

 

[Char Jackson]

This is just my opinion, but Windows 8 was never meant to replace Windows 7
on a desktop computer.

I appreciate different opinions. On what is yours based?

 

[fritz]

If the computer was set up correctly,

I can hardly wait to see what "correctly" is.

meaning the data is on a separate partition than the OS & Installed
Programs and you backup was done using an Imaging Tool,

- Everything on one partition is correct.
- Only the OS on a partition, and everything else on other
partition(s) is correct
- And all the combinations 'twixt and 'tween are correct.
- also what one decided to do with the pagefile/temp/temp internet
files/browser cache/etc., good, bad or indifferent, is correct.

then it is very easy to restore the partition that need
restoring and nothing is lost (except time). You won't need to install
service packs or updates because the Image already contains them. You won't
loose data because it's on a different partition.

Ahhh... the infamous loose use.

If something needed is on a different partition, one restores that
partition too.

Other than that, you most likely have lots of work ahead of you depending on
how long you've been running Windows 8.

I'm not real smart, got two dogs and only one of them is smarter than
me, but I really can't think of a single reason length of use of Win8
would have any effect on restoring/installing Win7. How about
offering up some reasons that it would.

This is just my opinion, but Windows 8 was never meant to replace Windows 7
on a desktop computer.

That is an illogical opinion. hMS is selling it for desktop
computers, so it can't be never.

If that is what you did, then you really should wait
for Windows 9 which is intended to replace Win 7 and have similar
horsepower.

Haven't heard that one before, but then I don't get around much.

The main purpose for Win 8 is to have a cross platform OS. In
that regards, it's a success and fun to play with, but definitely a
downgrade to Win 7.

I get it. Your opinion is that Win8 is a one-off and Win9 is the real
next step up from Win7.

The initial part of the post was, well, off the wall by far... so,
by the time the opinion was reached, credibility was hovering near
zero.

(failure to quote correctly and top posting wasn't helping either, but
that's just my opinion)

 

[JCO]

Yeah it will only be set up correctly if you do it yourself. If you bought
the computer, then NO. But with a little invested time, you can configure
it and partition it as stated above. It will save lots of headaches down
the road.

"fritz" wrote in message

If the computer was set up correctly,

I can hardly wait to see what "correctly" is.

meaning the data is on a separate partition than the OS & Installed
Programs and you backup was done using an Imaging Tool,

- Everything on one partition is correct.
- Only the OS on a partition, and everything else on other
partition(s) is correct
- And all the combinations 'twixt and 'tween are correct.
- also what one decided to do with the pagefile/temp/temp internet
files/browser cache/etc., good, bad or indifferent, is correct.

then it is very easy to restore the partition that need
restoring and nothing is lost (except time). You won't need to install
service packs or updates because the Image already contains them. You
won't
loose data because it's on a different partition.

Ahhh... the infamous loose use.

If something needed is on a different partition, one restores that
partition too.

Other than that, you most likely have lots of work ahead of you depending
on
how long you've been running Windows 8.

I'm not real smart, got two dogs and only one of them is smarter than
me, but I really can't think of a single reason length of use of Win8
would have any effect on restoring/installing Win7. How about
offering up some reasons that it would.

This is just my opinion, but Windows 8 was never meant to replace Windows 7
on a desktop computer.

That is an illogical opinion. hMS is selling it for desktop
computers, so it can't be never.

If that is what you did, then you really should wait
for Windows 9 which is intended to replace Win 7 and have similar
horsepower.

Haven't heard that one before, but then I don't get around much.

The main purpose for Win 8 is to have a cross platform OS. In
that regards, it's a success and fun to play with, but definitely a
downgrade to Win 7.

I get it. Your opinion is that Win8 is a one-off and Win9 is the real
next step up from Win7.

The initial part of the post was, well, off the wall by far... so,
by the time the opinion was reached, credibility was hovering near
zero.

(failure to quote correctly and top posting wasn't helping either, but
that's just my opinion)

 

[JCO]

I've been programming for many years and lots of friends at MS. Win 8 is a
different type of animal and it's never worth being the first to get it.
Like I said, the next OS will have more horsepower.

"Char Jackson" wrote in message

This is just my opinion, but Windows 8 was never meant to replace Windows 7
on a desktop computer.

I appreciate different opinions. On what is yours based?

 

[fritz]

Yeah it will only be set up correctly if you do it yourself. If you bought
the computer, then NO. But with a little invested time, you can configure
it and partition it as stated above. It will save lots of headaches down
the road.

Ok. I see the dimensions we reside in aren't quite synced up, which
explains the first post entirely.

We should keep it quiet... the string theorists would be all over
us if they knew there was a communications link.

 

[JCO]

Agreed!

"fritz" wrote in message

Yeah it will only be set up correctly if you do it yourself. If you bought
the computer, then NO. But with a little invested time, you can configure
it and partition it as stated above. It will save lots of headaches down
the road.

Ok. I see the dimensions we reside in aren't quite synced up, which
explains the first post entirely.

We should keep it quiet... the string theorists would be all over
us if they knew there was a communications link.

 

[charlie]

Do the drives have the "TLER" setting ?
Maybe the dropouts are due to the usage of non-RAID drives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TLER

It's all a silly gimmick, but what are you gonna do ?

Paul

"Do the drives have the "TLER" setting ?"
I have no idea. I did see that WD says that when enabled, it can cause
problems with "newer drives", what ever that means, so they discontinued
the utility.