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Bob Henson

Char said:
I don't think anyone has provided any evidence of pressure from MS or
elsewhere, so it might be premature to say "correctly used".
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Why would he have altered it unless he had to? When he says Microsoft
requested it, you can sense an "or else" on the end. It could have been a
fat fee instead - but when did Microsoft give anything away to little
people for no reason - especially when that person's success was showing up
Microsoft's failure?

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England

You know you're old when the Doctor warns you to slow down instead of the
Police.
 
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Paul

Bob said:
Why would he have altered it unless he had to? When he says Microsoft
requested it, you can sense an "or else" on the end. It could have been a
fat fee instead - but when did Microsoft give anything away to little
people for no reason - especially when that person's success was showing up
Microsoft's failure?
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If Microsoft has anything to say, it's via a lawyer letter. You can't
send "ordinary communications" without side effects. Your private
communication could be used against you later. Using a lawyer
makes it a "hands off" communications. And a lawyer can dream up
any scenario they want, to make you comply (barratry).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barratry_(common_law)

Paul
 
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Ken Blake

Ken, Char asked why *you* think it's better. Using it for the trial
period can't answer that question.
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I know what he asked. I didn't answer because it's been too long since
I compared the two of them and I can't remember the differences. If he
wants to know why it's better, he should try it for himself. If he
doesn't want to, that's OK with me too.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

I had to look up 'deffo'. That's how out of touch I am. :)
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I just (accidentally) blew it off, i.e., failed to really notice it.

But now that you mention it, I'd guess "definitely". And it's
definitely(!) a guess - the word is unfamiliar to me, being on the wrong
site of the Atlantic as I am.

Anyway, I just checked with Google; the results showed how astute I am
:)
 
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Robin Bignall

I just (accidentally) blew it off, i.e., failed to really notice it.

But now that you mention it, I'd guess "definitely". And it's
definitely(!) a guess - the word is unfamiliar to me, being on the wrong
site of the Atlantic as I am.
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A favourite expression of D'Angelo Barksdale, cousin of the drug lord
Avon Barksdale in "The Wire", was "Most def", and he's most def on your
side of the pond.
Anyway, I just checked with Google; the results showed how astute I am
:)
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I feel humble being allowed to communicate with you.
 
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Good Guy

Does Start 8 also bypass the Metro interface? I'll have a look at it
if it does, but I wouldn't pay for it until I find that Microsoft
aren't going to nobble the author of that one too.
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But why do you want to bypass anything? Windows 8 is here and will
remain so. You just have to get used to it.

If Microsoft wanted to use Windows 7 style UI, it would have released a
special product for Desktops and laptops but the whole idea for Metro
style is to make a large proportion of people get used to it because
mobile devices are here and Smart TVs are also here. Windows will be
loaded on all these devices within the next 5 years.

According to Microsoft's Steve Ballmer, people using desktops and
laptops is in the wane and so it should target its resources on newer
devices. Like it or hate it Windows 8 is here and people have to get
used to it.
 
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Good Guy

Per NY:
All I can think of is there's some future marketing potential in the
Metro tiles and MS does not want people not exposed to whatever they
have in mind.

I tried Win 8 with the Metro tiles on a few PCs at the local store and
it made me crazy.
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You need to try at home at ease. It is pretty good to work with. You
just get used to it like any other windows UI.

From Office 2003 to Office 2007 was a culture shock for many but people
got used to it. Then cam Office 2010 and again it went back to old
style menu system but used modern approach. It is just a question of
getting used to it. There are more difficult things in life then to
master the UI of Microsoft Windows system.
 
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Wildman

But why do you want to bypass anything? Windows 8 is here and will
remain so. You just have to get used to it.

If Microsoft wanted to use Windows 7 style UI, it would have released a
special product for Desktops and laptops but the whole idea for Metro
style is to make a large proportion of people get used to it because
mobile devices are here and Smart TVs are also here. Windows will be
loaded on all these devices within the next 5 years.

According to Microsoft's Steve Ballmer, people using desktops and
laptops is in the wane and so it should target its resources on newer
devices. Like it or hate it Windows 8 is here and people have to get
used to it.
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No sir, on that you are incorrect. I do not have
to get use to it because I won't be using it. My
desktop is not a fondleslab nor will it ever be!
 
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Good Guy

No sir, on that you are incorrect. I do not have
to get use to it because I won't be using it. My
desktop is not a fondleslab nor will it ever be!
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Yews but people like you are in a minority and Microsoft is not
interested in people like you.

Microsoft wants the majority to go with it using mobile devices and
people like you can continue using the clunky desktops while the rest of
the planet have moved on and become professionals using hand held
devices loaded with Microsoft's state-of-Art-Operating System.
 
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Wildman

Yews but people like you are in a minority and Microsoft is not
interested in people like you.

Microsoft wants the majority to go with it using mobile devices and
people like you can continue using the clunky desktops while the rest of
the planet have moved on and become professionals using hand held
devices loaded with Microsoft's state-of-Art-Operating System.
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Yea, that explains why win8 sales is doing so great... NOT.
The mark of a good and successful product provider is giving
the customers what they want, not what the provider wants
them to have.

Your attempted insult at me because I prefer a desktop is
humorous. If you think desktops are a thing of the past,
you are delusional. That is what's required to do any
real work.
 
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Ken Springer

I know what he asked. I didn't answer because it's been too long since
I compared the two of them and I can't remember the differences. If he
wants to know why it's better, he should try it for himself. If he
doesn't want to, that's OK with me too.
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Well, Ken, if you can't remember the differences, how can you be so sure
it's better? Surely both have been updated, and your impressions could
now be in error.

But like I said, he's not wanting to know the differences for himself.
He wants to know why you are so ardently in favor of Start8. And if you
can't provide that answer, then you shouldn't be recommending Start8.
It rings hollow.

Now that this has been brought up, I'd like an answer to the question
too. If I have friends who recommend something, or read from reliable
source, that XXXXXXXX is good, I expect an explanation of why. If no
answer is provided, why should I believe it?

IMO, not being able to provide any answer does not reflect well on you.

--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.4
Firefox 20.0
Thunderbird 17.0.5
LibreOffice 4.0.3.3
 
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(PeteCresswell)

Per Good Guy:
According to Microsoft's Steve Ballmer, people using desktops and
laptops is in the wane and so it should target its resources on newer
devices. Like it or hate it Windows 8 is here and people have to get
used to it.
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Sounds like he is trying to take a page out of Steve Job's book - except
that Jobs mostly *did* know what people wanted, even though the people
did not.
 
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(PeteCresswell)

Per Good Guy:
people like you can continue using the clunky desktops while the rest of
the planet have moved on and become professionals using hand held
devices loaded with Microsoft's state-of-Art-Operating System.
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That was tongue-in-cheek, right?

I've been using a 10" tablet and a 5" phone for a couple years now and
there's no question at all but what doing things that require any
significant amount of text input (as in Googling...) are at least 5x
slower/more difficult on the tablet/phone than on my XP PC using a
keyboard/mouse.
 
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(PeteCresswell)

Per Good Guy:
From Office 2003 to Office 2007 was a culture shock for many but people
got used to it.
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I *still* have customers that tell me, when asking for an application
where Excel is integrated into the app "If it's going to be Excel 2007,
just forget it.".
 
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Gene E. Bloch

A favourite expression of D'Angelo Barksdale, cousin of the drug lord
Avon Barksdale in "The Wire", was "Most def", and he's most def on your
side of the pond.


I feel humble being allowed to communicate with you.
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And vice versa, truth be told...
 
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Good Guy

Other operating systems are available.
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Which one? Why aren't people using them? They seem to be spending more
time here complaining about how terrible is windows 8.
 
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