Classic Shell


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Bob Henson

Those of you using Classic Shell as the only sensible way to use Windows
8 on a desktop will be sad to know that it has been nobbled. The latest
version (3.6.8) has no facility for bypassing Metro - which was one of
the main reasons for using it. It would appear the author has been
nobbled, one way or another, by Microsoft.

So, don't update, and hang onto your versions 3.6.7 - it still runs on
8.1 so all is well.
 
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Zaphod Beeblebrox

Those of you using Classic Shell as the only sensible way to use Windows
8 on a desktop will be sad to know that it has been nobbled. The latest
version (3.6.8) has no facility for bypassing Metro - which was one of
the main reasons for using it. It would appear the author has been
nobbled, one way or another, by Microsoft.

So, don't update, and hang onto your versions 3.6.7 - it still runs on
8.1 so all is well.
Multi-posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8

Please, if in the future you find it necessary to post the same article
to multiple newsgroups, cross-post instead.
 
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Bob Henson

Multi-posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8

Please, if in the future you find it necessary to post the same article
to multiple newsgroups, cross-post instead.
I'm aware the cross-posting is technically the correct way to go -
however, many people (myself included) now auto-delete all cross-posted
message without reading them, since nearly all the junk posts from
trolls and general mischief-makers are cross-posted. Deleting
cross-posts and anything from Google Groups too gets rid of nearly all
the rubbish in one fell swoop.

I could have altered a few words in one of the posts so that the message
were not identical, but I didn't think, as I don't make a habit of it,
anyone would be so petty as to pass comment. That's obviously what you
get for trying to be helpful to people.

I suppose having two heads/faces you could see into both groups at the
same time?
 
K

Ken Blake

Those of you using Classic Shell as the only sensible way to use Windows
8 on a desktop

The only sensible way?

I strongly disagree. Classic Shell is a good choice; I also like it.
But Start8 (at the very low price of $4.99 US) is even better.
 
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Bob Henson

The only sensible way?

I strongly disagree. Classic Shell is a good choice; I also like it.
But Start8 (at the very low price of $4.99 US) is even better.
That's fair enough. I should perhaps have expanded my statement to
include others, but I don't have a lot of time and I'm only interested
in the free ones anyway - some of my old folk that I teach/help don't
have a lot of cash. I certainly don't now I'm a pensioner myself.

Does Start 8 also bypass the Metro interface? I'll have a look at it if
it does, but I wouldn't pay for it until I find that Microsoft aren't
going to nobble the author of that one too.
 
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NY

Ken Blake said:
The only sensible way?

I strongly disagree. Classic Shell is a good choice; I also like it.
But Start8 (at the very low price of $4.99 US) is even better.
I wonder why, despite all the condemnation from press and punters, and the
poor sales of Windows 8 PCs, Microsoft has not chosen to include any similar
functionality in the 8.1 upgrade to give users the *choice* about which
shell they use (Windows 3.x, XP, Vista, 7 on the one hand or Windows 8 tiles
on the other hand). I've not problem with MS introducing a new shell and
saying "*we* think this is better, so please use it" but to remove the
ability to choose the old shell is highly arrogant. The problems of Me and
Vista are minimal compared with the major problem with trying to drive Win
8.

I've seem some comments from defenders of Win 8 saying "ah but you can
change the shell" (without installing 3rd party fixes) and belittling people
who don't know how to do this, but I've not seen any hard facts as to how
(or if!) this can be done.
 
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Zaphod Beeblebrox

I'm aware the cross-posting is technically the correct way to go -
however, many people (myself included) now auto-delete all cross-posted
message without reading them, since nearly all the junk posts from
trolls and general mischief-makers are cross-posted. Deleting
cross-posts and anything from Google Groups too gets rid of nearly all
the rubbish in one fell swoop.

I could have altered a few words in one of the posts so that the message
were not identical, but I didn't think, as I don't make a habit of it,
anyone would be so petty as to pass comment. That's obviously what you
get for trying to be helpful to people.

I suppose having two heads/faces you could see into both groups at the
same time?
Petty? I posted a reply in the other NG, and when I noticed this
duplicate article I offered what I thought was helpful advice
(delivered in what I considered a polite, though terse, manner) in case
you were unaware of the customary method of posting the same content to
multiple newsgroups.

If you choose to filter responsible cross-posting, that's your own
decision (if I were to do so, I'd be inclined to filter articles posted
to more than a smallish number of groups - perhaps 5? I'd have to think
about it). But calling someone petty for pointing out when you've not
followed established newsgroup behavior is inappropriate *especially*
when by your own admission you know you were not following established
standards in the first place.

By the way, changing "a few words in one of the posts so that the
message were not identical" is still multi-posting.

--
Zaphod

If I had two heads like you, Zaphod,
I could have hours of fun banging them against a wall.
-Ford Prefect
 
B

Bob Henson

Petty? I posted a reply in the other NG, and when I noticed this
duplicate article I offered what I thought was helpful advice
(delivered in what I considered a polite, though terse, manner) in case
you were unaware of the customary method of posting the same content to
multiple newsgroups.

If you choose to filter responsible cross-posting, that's your own
decision (if I were to do so, I'd be inclined to filter articles posted
to more than a smallish number of groups - perhaps 5? I'd have to think
about it). But calling someone petty for pointing out when you've not
followed established newsgroup behavior is inappropriate *especially*
when by your own admission you know you were not following established
standards in the first place.

By the way, changing "a few words in one of the posts so that the
message were not identical" is still multi-posting.
Well, let's call it quits then. I don't respond well to being given
short sharp orders, and my reply was a tad OTT.

I've heard all the arguments for and against cross/multi posting, and
this isn't really the place to go over them - suffice to say I normally
avoid doing either because of the controversy it generates.
 
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Nil

I'm aware the cross-posting is technically the correct way to go
- however, many people (myself included) now auto-delete all
cross-posted message without reading them, since nearly all the
junk posts from trolls and general mischief-makers are
cross-posted.
You're using a sledgehammer where a scalpel would do. Real spam and
trolls are almost always cross-posted to many newsgroups, not just two.
In a case like this, you are creating more work and worse communication
for more people. If I had answered you in the other group, people
reading your message here would never know it. Even worse, they might
have actually spent their valuable time responding, only to find out
that all points were already addressed elsewhere. I don't know about
you, but I find it very annoying to have tried to be helpful only to
discover that I've wasted my time. Yours is an example where thoughtful
crosspost to a couple of pertinent groups would be a good thing.

Any decent newsreader that I've ever used can set the crosspost control
to only trigger over a configurable threshold. I have mine set to 3.
I could have altered a few words in one of the posts so that the
message were not identical,
That wouldn't have made any difference. It would still be a multi-post.
 
N

Nil

Those of you using Classic Shell as the only sensible way to use
Windows 8 on a desktop will be sad to know that it has been
nobbled. The latest version (3.6.8) has no facility for bypassing
Metro - which was one of the main reasons for using it. It would
appear the author has been nobbled, one way or another, by
Microsoft.
Classic Shell was forced to change the look of the button to use a
color scheme unlike Microsoft's.

Yes, they removed the ability to bypass Metro... because it's not
needed with Windows 8.1 - that capability is already built in.

It seems that Classic Shell has jumped the gun. Windows 8.0 users will
want to stick with 3.6.7 for now.
 
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(PeteCresswell)

Per Bob Henson:
So, don't update, and hang onto your versions 3.6.7
Does anybody have a link to 3.6.7?

SourceForge says 3.6.7, but the link downloads .8.
 
P

(PeteCresswell)

Per NY:
I've not problem with MS introducing a new shell and
saying "*we* think this is better, so please use it" but to remove the
ability to choose the old shell is highly arrogant. The problems of Me and
Vista are minimal compared with the major problem with trying to drive Win
8.
All I can think of is there's some future marketing potential in the
Metro tiles and MS does not want people not exposed to whatever they
have in mind.

I tried Win 8 with the Metro tiles on a few PCs at the local store and
it made me crazy.
 
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mechanic

Well, let's call it quits then. I don't respond well to being given
short sharp orders, and my reply was a tad OTT.
Here's another one - this junk about Windows8 doesn't belong in a
Windows7 newsgroup!
 
K

Ken Blake

That's fair enough. I should perhaps have expanded my statement to
include others, but I don't have a lot of time and I'm only interested
in the free ones anyway - some of my old folk that I teach/help don't
have a lot of cash. I certainly don't now I'm a pensioner myself.

Does Start 8 also bypass the Metro interface?

Yes.


I'll have a look at it if
it does, but I wouldn't pay for it until I find that Microsoft aren't
going to nobble the author of that one too.

With a price that low, as far as I'm concerned paying for it isn't an
issue. But what Microsoft may do, I don't know.

By the way, "nobble" is British slang, and until you used it here, I
had never seen it before. Since most of us here are Americans, it's
probably best if you avoid words like that (although personally I
thank you for teaching me a new word).
 
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Iceman

By the way, "nobble" is British slang, and until you used it here, I
had never seen it before. Since most of us here are Americans, it's
probably best if you avoid words like that (although personally I
thank you for teaching me a new word).
According to my Webster's "nobble" means "steal" or "cheat". The Brits then
sure know how to find cute words for nasty doings.

;)
 
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Mike Barnes

Ken Blake said:
By the way, "nobble" is British slang, and until you used it here, I
had never seen it before. Since most of us here are Americans,
Are you sure about that?
it's
probably best if you avoid words like that
True, but it's hard to spot which words are "like that".
(although personally I
thank you for teaching me a new word).
Good man.
 

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