Cannot delete old restore points

Discussion in 'alt.windows7.general' started by walter, Mar 2, 2013.

  1. walter

    walter Guest

    I use Windows Images and Windows Restore points, depending on the severity
    of my problem.

    When I restore the system I go to Control Panel > System > System
    Protection, which opens the System Restore Panel.

    In the Description Column of the Restore Panel, it shows "System Image
    restore Point", in the Type column it shows either "Manual" or "system" or
    "Backup".

    The Restore Panel shows the current restore points, and these restore points
    work fine. However, when I check the box "Show more restore points", the
    Restore Panel produces a long list (hundreds) of restore points going back
    to the date when I first installed Windows and showing the date for every
    IMAGE I created over the past three years. They are all listed as Type
    "Backup".

    These old restore points do not work: "The selected backup could not be
    found". Only the more recent restore points work.

    I cannot get get rid of these old, inactive "Backup" restore points. I have
    deleted all restore points, I have deleted all restore points except the
    last one, I have inactivated/reactivated the restore system. Are these
    imaginary restore points merely shadow copies that do not really exists and
    therefore cannot be deleted? They serve no purpose, except to annoy me.


    Thanks for any input.

    Walter
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    walter, Mar 2, 2013
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  2. walter

    123Jim Guest

    On 02/03/2013 19:38, walter wrote:
    > I use Windows Images and Windows Restore points, depending on the
    > severity of my problem.
    >
    > When I restore the system I go to Control Panel > System > System
    > Protection, which opens the System Restore Panel.
    >
    > In the Description Column of the Restore Panel, it shows "System Image
    > restore Point", in the Type column it shows either "Manual" or "system"
    > or "Backup".
    >
    > The Restore Panel shows the current restore points, and these restore
    > points work fine. However, when I check the box "Show more restore
    > points", the Restore Panel produces a long list (hundreds) of restore
    > points going back to the date when I first installed Windows and showing
    > the date for every IMAGE I created over the past three years. They are
    > all listed as Type "Backup".
    >
    > These old restore points do not work: "The selected backup could not be
    > found". Only the more recent restore points work.
    >
    > I cannot get get rid of these old, inactive "Backup" restore points. I
    > have deleted all restore points, I have deleted all restore points
    > except the last one, I have inactivated/reactivated the restore system.
    > Are these imaginary restore points merely shadow copies that do not
    > really exists and therefore cannot be deleted? They serve no purpose,
    > except to annoy me.
    >
    >
    > Thanks for any input.
    >
    > Walter


    Sounds like they might be listed in the registry, while all the files
    are long gone.

    I would try using ccleaner to try to remove the restore points, it might
    do a better job of cleaning up the registry entries.
    http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/download

    ccleaner > tools > system restore

    If that does not work, you could run ccleaner's registry cleaner. Many
    people caution against using a registry cleaner but I've never had any
    problems after using ccleaner in that way.

    If you don't want to do that you could manually remove the registry
    entries if they exist using regedit.exe which is the windows utility.
     
    123Jim, Mar 2, 2013
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  3. walter

    Paul Guest

    123Jim wrote:
    > On 02/03/2013 19:38, walter wrote:
    >> I use Windows Images and Windows Restore points, depending on the
    >> severity of my problem.
    >>
    >> When I restore the system I go to Control Panel > System > System
    >> Protection, which opens the System Restore Panel.
    >>
    >> In the Description Column of the Restore Panel, it shows "System Image
    >> restore Point", in the Type column it shows either "Manual" or "system"
    >> or "Backup".
    >>
    >> The Restore Panel shows the current restore points, and these restore
    >> points work fine. However, when I check the box "Show more restore
    >> points", the Restore Panel produces a long list (hundreds) of restore
    >> points going back to the date when I first installed Windows and showing
    >> the date for every IMAGE I created over the past three years. They are
    >> all listed as Type "Backup".
    >>
    >> These old restore points do not work: "The selected backup could not be
    >> found". Only the more recent restore points work.
    >>
    >> I cannot get get rid of these old, inactive "Backup" restore points. I
    >> have deleted all restore points, I have deleted all restore points
    >> except the last one, I have inactivated/reactivated the restore system.
    >> Are these imaginary restore points merely shadow copies that do not
    >> really exists and therefore cannot be deleted? They serve no purpose,
    >> except to annoy me.
    >>
    >>
    >> Thanks for any input.
    >>
    >> Walter

    >
    > Sounds like they might be listed in the registry, while all the files
    > are long gone.
    >
    > I would try using ccleaner to try to remove the restore points, it might
    > do a better job of cleaning up the registry entries.
    > http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/download
    >
    > ccleaner > tools > system restore
    >
    > If that does not work, you could run ccleaner's registry cleaner. Many
    > people caution against using a registry cleaner but I've never had any
    > problems after using ccleaner in that way.
    >
    > If you don't want to do that you could manually remove the registry
    > entries if they exist using regedit.exe which is the windows utility.
    >


    Another possibility, is the data is stored in one of the many XML
    files associated with that stuff. It might not be in the registry.
    I'm just going by the System Image folders I keep here, and they seem
    to be littered with XML. So I'd probably sniff around for XML
    (if the folder permissions would let me :) )

    It's not really my computer after all - Microsoft owns it, so why
    should I have permission to look in all the folders :) :)

    Paul
     
    Paul, Mar 2, 2013
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  4. On Sat, 2 Mar 2013 11:38:49 -0800, walter wrote:

    > I use Windows Images and Windows Restore points, depending on the severity
    > of my problem.
    >
    > When I restore the system I go to Control Panel > System > System
    > Protection, which opens the System Restore Panel.
    >
    > In the Description Column of the Restore Panel, it shows "System Image
    > restore Point", in the Type column it shows either "Manual" or "system" or
    > "Backup".
    >
    > The Restore Panel shows the current restore points, and these restore points
    > work fine. However, when I check the box "Show more restore points", the
    > Restore Panel produces a long list (hundreds) of restore points going back
    > to the date when I first installed Windows and showing the date for every
    > IMAGE I created over the past three years. They are all listed as Type
    > "Backup".
    >
    > These old restore points do not work: "The selected backup could not be
    > found". Only the more recent restore points work.
    >
    > I cannot get get rid of these old, inactive "Backup" restore points. I have
    > deleted all restore points, I have deleted all restore points except the
    > last one, I have inactivated/reactivated the restore system. Are these
    > imaginary restore points merely shadow copies that do not really exists and
    > therefore cannot be deleted? They serve no purpose, except to annoy me.
    >
    > Thanks for any input.
    >
    > Walter


    I have a couple of restore points listed in the System Restore list
    which are very old and are not listed in Shadow Explorer's list. They
    are marked as type Backup. If I try to use them, I get "Backup drive can
    not be found".

    Maybe that's a clue. I don't know.

    OTOH, look here:
    http://en.kioskea.net/faq/11995-ccleaner-manage-system-restore-points

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    Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
     
    Gene E. Bloch, Mar 2, 2013
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  5. On Sat, 2 Mar 2013 14:18:14 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

    > On Sat, 2 Mar 2013 11:38:49 -0800, walter wrote:
    >
    >> I use Windows Images and Windows Restore points, depending on the severity
    >> of my problem.
    >>
    >> When I restore the system I go to Control Panel > System > System
    >> Protection, which opens the System Restore Panel.
    >>
    >> In the Description Column of the Restore Panel, it shows "System Image
    >> restore Point", in the Type column it shows either "Manual" or "system" or
    >> "Backup".
    >>
    >> The Restore Panel shows the current restore points, and these restore points
    >> work fine. However, when I check the box "Show more restore points", the
    >> Restore Panel produces a long list (hundreds) of restore points going back
    >> to the date when I first installed Windows and showing the date for every
    >> IMAGE I created over the past three years. They are all listed as Type
    >> "Backup".
    >>
    >> These old restore points do not work: "The selected backup could not be
    >> found". Only the more recent restore points work.
    >>
    >> I cannot get get rid of these old, inactive "Backup" restore points. I have
    >> deleted all restore points, I have deleted all restore points except the
    >> last one, I have inactivated/reactivated the restore system. Are these
    >> imaginary restore points merely shadow copies that do not really exists and
    >> therefore cannot be deleted? They serve no purpose, except to annoy me.
    >>
    >> Thanks for any input.
    >>
    >> Walter

    >
    > I have a couple of restore points listed in the System Restore list
    > which are very old and are not listed in Shadow Explorer's list. They
    > are marked as type Backup. If I try to use them, I get "Backup drive can
    > not be found".
    >
    > Maybe that's a clue. I don't know.
    >
    > OTOH, look here:
    > http://en.kioskea.net/faq/11995-ccleaner-manage-system-restore-points


    Maybe not. CCleaner doesn't show the two oddball entries.

    Here's a better link for CCleaner:
    http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner

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    Gene E. Bloch, Mar 2, 2013
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  6. walter

    walter Guest

    "Gene E. Bloch" <> wrote in message
    news:qrw4dzrwwt0$...
    > On Sat, 2 Mar 2013 11:38:49 -0800, walter wrote:
    >
    >> I use Windows Images and Windows Restore points, depending on the
    >> severity
    >> of my problem.
    >>
    >> When I restore the system I go to Control Panel > System > System
    >> Protection, which opens the System Restore Panel.
    >>
    >> In the Description Column of the Restore Panel, it shows "System Image
    >> restore Point", in the Type column it shows either "Manual" or "system"
    >> or
    >> "Backup".
    >>
    >> The Restore Panel shows the current restore points, and these restore
    >> points
    >> work fine. However, when I check the box "Show more restore points", the
    >> Restore Panel produces a long list (hundreds) of restore points going
    >> back
    >> to the date when I first installed Windows and showing the date for every
    >> IMAGE I created over the past three years. They are all listed as Type
    >> "Backup".
    >>
    >> These old restore points do not work: "The selected backup could not be
    >> found". Only the more recent restore points work.
    >>
    >> I cannot get get rid of these old, inactive "Backup" restore points. I
    >> have
    >> deleted all restore points, I have deleted all restore points except the
    >> last one, I have inactivated/reactivated the restore system. Are these
    >> imaginary restore points merely shadow copies that do not really exists
    >> and
    >> therefore cannot be deleted? They serve no purpose, except to annoy me.
    >>
    >> Thanks for any input.
    >>
    >> Walter

    >
    > I have a couple of restore points listed in the System Restore list
    > which are very old and are not listed in Shadow Explorer's list. They
    > are marked as type Backup. If I try to use them, I get "Backup drive can
    > not be found".
    >
    > Maybe that's a clue. I don't know.
    >
    > OTOH, look here:
    > http://en.kioskea.net/faq/11995-ccleaner-manage-system-restore-points
    >
    > --
    > Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)


    Thanks, but CC Cleaner only shows current (active) restore points. Otherwise
    blank. I guess, these phantom files reside in my Windows subconscious.
    Windows is dreaming.
     
    walter, Mar 2, 2013
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  7. walter

    walter Guest

    "123Jim" <> wrote in message
    news:kgtr6n$shm$...
    > On 02/03/2013 19:38, walter wrote:
    >> I use Windows Images and Windows Restore points, depending on the
    >> severity of my problem.
    >>
    >> When I restore the system I go to Control Panel > System > System
    >> Protection, which opens the System Restore Panel.
    >>
    >> In the Description Column of the Restore Panel, it shows "System Image
    >> restore Point", in the Type column it shows either "Manual" or "system"
    >> or "Backup".
    >>
    >> The Restore Panel shows the current restore points, and these restore
    >> points work fine. However, when I check the box "Show more restore
    >> points", the Restore Panel produces a long list (hundreds) of restore
    >> points going back to the date when I first installed Windows and showing
    >> the date for every IMAGE I created over the past three years. They are
    >> all listed as Type "Backup".
    >>
    >> These old restore points do not work: "The selected backup could not be
    >> found". Only the more recent restore points work.
    >>
    >> I cannot get get rid of these old, inactive "Backup" restore points. I
    >> have deleted all restore points, I have deleted all restore points
    >> except the last one, I have inactivated/reactivated the restore system.
    >> Are these imaginary restore points merely shadow copies that do not
    >> really exists and therefore cannot be deleted? They serve no purpose,
    >> except to annoy me.
    >>
    >>
    >> Thanks for any input.
    >>
    >> Walter

    >
    > Sounds like they might be listed in the registry, while all the files are
    > long gone.
    >
    > I would try using ccleaner to try to remove the restore points, it might
    > do a better job of cleaning up the registry entries.
    > http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/download
    >
    > ccleaner > tools > system restore
    >
    > If that does not work, you could run ccleaner's registry cleaner. Many
    > people caution against using a registry cleaner but I've never had any
    > problems after using ccleaner in that way.
    >
    > If you don't want to do that you could manually remove the registry
    > entries if they exist using regedit.exe which is the windows utility.
    >


    cc Cleaner ran a registry scan but shows a clean registry, except for a few
    niggles. I did a find for "restore" in the registry but nothing pertinent
    showed up. Don't really know exactly what to look for in the registry.
     
    walter, Mar 2, 2013
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  8. On Sat, 2 Mar 2013 14:27:29 -0800, walter wrote:

    > "Gene E. Bloch" <> wrote in message
    > news:qrw4dzrwwt0$...
    >> On Sat, 2 Mar 2013 11:38:49 -0800, walter wrote:
    >>
    >>> I use Windows Images and Windows Restore points, depending on the
    >>> severity
    >>> of my problem.
    >>>
    >>> When I restore the system I go to Control Panel > System > System
    >>> Protection, which opens the System Restore Panel.
    >>>
    >>> In the Description Column of the Restore Panel, it shows "System Image
    >>> restore Point", in the Type column it shows either "Manual" or "system"
    >>> or
    >>> "Backup".
    >>>
    >>> The Restore Panel shows the current restore points, and these restore
    >>> points
    >>> work fine. However, when I check the box "Show more restore points", the
    >>> Restore Panel produces a long list (hundreds) of restore points going
    >>> back
    >>> to the date when I first installed Windows and showing the date for every
    >>> IMAGE I created over the past three years. They are all listed as Type
    >>> "Backup".
    >>>
    >>> These old restore points do not work: "The selected backup could not be
    >>> found". Only the more recent restore points work.
    >>>
    >>> I cannot get get rid of these old, inactive "Backup" restore points. I
    >>> have
    >>> deleted all restore points, I have deleted all restore points except the
    >>> last one, I have inactivated/reactivated the restore system. Are these
    >>> imaginary restore points merely shadow copies that do not really exists
    >>> and
    >>> therefore cannot be deleted? They serve no purpose, except to annoy me.
    >>>
    >>> Thanks for any input.
    >>>
    >>> Walter

    >>
    >> I have a couple of restore points listed in the System Restore list
    >> which are very old and are not listed in Shadow Explorer's list. They
    >> are marked as type Backup. If I try to use them, I get "Backup drive can
    >> not be found".
    >>
    >> Maybe that's a clue. I don't know.
    >>
    >> OTOH, look here:
    >> http://en.kioskea.net/faq/11995-ccleaner-manage-system-restore-points
    >>
    >> --
    >> Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

    >
    > Thanks, but CC Cleaner only shows current (active) restore points. Otherwise
    > blank. I guess, these phantom files reside in my Windows subconscious.
    > Windows is dreaming.


    We need Sigmund Freud to help us. And I like your view of this...

    I did a bit of Googling. Nothing of interest (or at least nothing I
    understood) showed up. Maybe I just didn't find an appropriate search
    term. Maybe I could try Restorophrenia or something.

    It did lead me on an OT tangent about slow boot up times (a problem of
    mine). No joy there either.

    --
    Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
     
    Gene E. Bloch, Mar 2, 2013
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  9. walter

    Rob Guest

    On 3/03/2013 6:38 AM, walter wrote:
    > I use Windows Images and Windows Restore points, depending on the
    > severity of my problem.
    >
    >snip
    > I cannot get get rid of these old, inactive "Backup" restore points. I
    > have deleted all restore points, I have deleted all restore points
    > except the last one, I have inactivated/reactivated the restore system.
    > Are these imaginary restore points merely shadow copies that do not
    > really exists and therefore cannot be deleted? They serve no purpose,
    > except to annoy me.
    >
    >
    > Thanks for any input.
    >
    > Walter



    You can use Disk Cleanup to delete restore points and free hard disk
    space on your computer.

    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-vista/delete-a-restore-point
     
    Rob, Mar 3, 2013
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  10. On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 12:29:36 +1100, Rob wrote:

    > On 3/03/2013 6:38 AM, walter wrote:
    >> I use Windows Images and Windows Restore points, depending on the
    >> severity of my problem.
    >>
    >>snip
    >> I cannot get get rid of these old, inactive "Backup" restore points. I
    >> have deleted all restore points, I have deleted all restore points
    >> except the last one, I have inactivated/reactivated the restore system.
    >> Are these imaginary restore points merely shadow copies that do not
    >> really exists and therefore cannot be deleted? They serve no purpose,
    >> except to annoy me.
    >>
    >>
    >> Thanks for any input.
    >>
    >> Walter

    >
    > You can use Disk Cleanup to delete restore points and free hard disk
    > space on your computer.
    >
    > http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-vista/delete-a-restore-point


    I suggest you read the OP.

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    Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
     
    Gene E. Bloch, Mar 3, 2013
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  11. walter

    Rob Guest

    On 3/03/2013 12:57 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
    > I suggest you read the OP.



    Wanker
     
    Rob, Mar 3, 2013
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  12. walter

    Ed Cryer Guest

    Rob wrote:
    > On 3/03/2013 12:57 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
    >> I suggest you read the OP.

    >
    >
    > Wanker


    Gene read the OP. Apparently you didn't. And so you've wasted time with
    a useless response; and then secondly you've started throwing insults
    around like a baby, which makes things even worse.
    Have a serious look at your attitude. It's in dire need of repair.

    Ed
     
    Ed Cryer, Mar 3, 2013
    #12
  13. walter

    Ed Cryer Guest

    walter wrote:
    > I use Windows Images and Windows Restore points, depending on the
    > severity of my problem.
    >
    > When I restore the system I go to Control Panel > System > System
    > Protection, which opens the System Restore Panel.
    >
    > In the Description Column of the Restore Panel, it shows "System Image
    > restore Point", in the Type column it shows either "Manual" or "system"
    > or "Backup".
    >
    > The Restore Panel shows the current restore points, and these restore
    > points work fine. However, when I check the box "Show more restore
    > points", the Restore Panel produces a long list (hundreds) of restore
    > points going back to the date when I first installed Windows and showing
    > the date for every IMAGE I created over the past three years. They are
    > all listed as Type "Backup".
    >
    > These old restore points do not work: "The selected backup could not be
    > found". Only the more recent restore points work.
    >
    > I cannot get get rid of these old, inactive "Backup" restore points. I
    > have deleted all restore points, I have deleted all restore points
    > except the last one, I have inactivated/reactivated the restore system.
    > Are these imaginary restore points merely shadow copies that do not
    > really exists and therefore cannot be deleted? They serve no purpose,
    > except to annoy me.
    >
    >
    > Thanks for any input.
    >
    > Walter


    I have a part of this problem. Mine shows system images (about 12) going
    back to when I started taking them every month or so. Everything else
    (restore points included) is ok. When I try a restore with one of the
    images, it says not found.

    What I do every month is take a system image to an external HD. But
    because they overwrite the previous file (and they're only allowed into
    the root of the disk) I cut and paste the previous one into a subfolder.

    Ed
     
    Ed Cryer, Mar 3, 2013
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  14. walter

    walter Guest

    "Gene E. Bloch" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 12:29:36 +1100, Rob wrote:
    >
    >> On 3/03/2013 6:38 AM, walter wrote:
    >>> I use Windows Images and Windows Restore points, depending on the
    >>> severity of my problem.
    >>>
    >>>snip
    >>> I cannot get get rid of these old, inactive "Backup" restore points. I
    >>> have deleted all restore points, I have deleted all restore points
    >>> except the last one, I have inactivated/reactivated the restore system.
    >>> Are these imaginary restore points merely shadow copies that do not
    >>> really exists and therefore cannot be deleted? They serve no purpose,
    >>> except to annoy me.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Thanks for any input.
    >>>
    >>> Walter

    >>
    >> You can use Disk Cleanup to delete restore points and free hard disk
    >> space on your computer.
    >>
    >> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-vista/delete-a-restore-point

    >
    > I suggest you read the OP.
    >
    > --
    > Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)


    I tried Disk Cleanup. No luck. Thanks
     
    walter, Mar 3, 2013
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  15. walter

    123Jim Guest

    On 03/03/2013 15:11, walter wrote:
    >
    > "Gene E. Bloch" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 12:29:36 +1100, Rob wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 3/03/2013 6:38 AM, walter wrote:
    >>>> I use Windows Images and Windows Restore points, depending on the
    >>>> severity of my problem.
    >>>>
    >>>> snip
    >>>> I cannot get get rid of these old, inactive "Backup" restore points. I
    >>>> have deleted all restore points, I have deleted all restore points
    >>>> except the last one, I have inactivated/reactivated the restore system.
    >>>> Are these imaginary restore points merely shadow copies that do not
    >>>> really exists and therefore cannot be deleted? They serve no purpose,
    >>>> except to annoy me.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Thanks for any input.
    >>>>
    >>>> Walter
    >>>
    >>> You can use Disk Cleanup to delete restore points and free hard disk
    >>> space on your computer.
    >>>
    >>> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-vista/delete-a-restore-point

    >>
    >> I suggest you read the OP.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

    >
    > I tried Disk Cleanup. No luck. Thanks
    >
    >
    >


    Did you have restore turned off at the time?
     
    123Jim, Mar 3, 2013
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  16. walter

    Dave-UK Guest

    "walter" <> wrote in message news:kgvp4c$ukk$...
    >
    > "Gene E. Bloch" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 12:29:36 +1100, Rob wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 3/03/2013 6:38 AM, walter wrote:
    >>>> I use Windows Images and Windows Restore points, depending on the
    >>>> severity of my problem.
    >>>>
    >>>>snip
    >>>> I cannot get get rid of these old, inactive "Backup" restore points. I
    >>>> have deleted all restore points, I have deleted all restore points
    >>>> except the last one, I have inactivated/reactivated the restore system.
    >>>> Are these imaginary restore points merely shadow copies that do not
    >>>> really exists and therefore cannot be deleted? They serve no purpose,
    >>>> except to annoy me.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Thanks for any input.
    >>>>
    >>>> Walter
    >>>
    >>> You can use Disk Cleanup to delete restore points and free hard disk
    >>> space on your computer.
    >>>
    >>> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-vista/delete-a-restore-point

    >>
    >> I suggest you read the OP.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

    >
    > I tried Disk Cleanup. No luck. Thanks
    >


    I too have a series of restore points, ( only 10), of type Backup. They seem to have been
    created about once a month and they don't show up in CCleaners list of restore points.
    They go from 8/2/13 back to 25/6/12 (UK date format dd/mm/yy).

    I've found a group of files, 12, that have the same dates as the Backup restore points,
    they're about 60-80K in size and they have random names in the GUID format, like:
    {a39bb8f0-9d31-4a32-8b34-f35110142302}

    When I look at them with a hex editor there's stuff listed like updates, software info,
    hardware info and registry settings.

    They are listed in a hidden folder:

    C:\System Volume Information\WindowsImageBackup\SPPMetadataCache

    The dates of the Backup restore points are also referenced in a couple of files:

    C:\System Volume Information\WindowsImageBackup\Catalog\GlobalCatalog
    C:\System Volume Information\WindowsImageBackup\Catalog\BackupGlobalCatalog

    To get access to these files and folders you'll need to take ownership etc.
    I haven't got a clue if it's safe to delete any of this stuff!
    I haven't tried deleting anything from my folders as I don't want to mess
    my system up. :)
    Good luck.
     
    Dave-UK, Mar 3, 2013
    #16
  17. walter

    walter Guest

    "123Jim" <> wrote in message
    news:kgvqop$743$...
    > On 03/03/2013 15:11, walter wrote:
    >>
    >> "Gene E. Bloch" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 12:29:36 +1100, Rob wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On 3/03/2013 6:38 AM, walter wrote:
    >>>>> I use Windows Images and Windows Restore points, depending on the
    >>>>> severity of my problem.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> snip
    >>>>> I cannot get get rid of these old, inactive "Backup" restore points. I
    >>>>> have deleted all restore points, I have deleted all restore points
    >>>>> except the last one, I have inactivated/reactivated the restore
    >>>>> system.
    >>>>> Are these imaginary restore points merely shadow copies that do not
    >>>>> really exists and therefore cannot be deleted? They serve no purpose,
    >>>>> except to annoy me.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Thanks for any input.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Walter
    >>>>
    >>>> You can use Disk Cleanup to delete restore points and free hard disk
    >>>> space on your computer.
    >>>>
    >>>> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-vista/delete-a-restore-point
    >>>
    >>> I suggest you read the OP.
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

    >>
    >> I tried Disk Cleanup. No luck. Thanks
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Did you have restore turned off at the time?


    I tried it both on and off. No luck. I guess I will have to live with this
    nuisance. It's really no big deal.
     
    walter, Mar 3, 2013
    #17
  18. walter

    walter Guest

    "Dave-UK" <> wrote in message
    news:5133837b$0$26857$c3e8da3$...
    >
    > "walter" <> wrote in message
    > news:kgvp4c$ukk$...
    >>
    >> "Gene E. Bloch" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 12:29:36 +1100, Rob wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On 3/03/2013 6:38 AM, walter wrote:
    >>>>> I use Windows Images and Windows Restore points, depending on the
    >>>>> severity of my problem.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>snip
    >>>>> I cannot get get rid of these old, inactive "Backup" restore points. I
    >>>>> have deleted all restore points, I have deleted all restore points
    >>>>> except the last one, I have inactivated/reactivated the restore
    >>>>> system.
    >>>>> Are these imaginary restore points merely shadow copies that do not
    >>>>> really exists and therefore cannot be deleted? They serve no purpose,
    >>>>> except to annoy me.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Thanks for any input.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Walter
    >>>>
    >>>> You can use Disk Cleanup to delete restore points and free hard disk
    >>>> space on your computer.
    >>>>
    >>>> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-vista/delete-a-restore-point
    >>>
    >>> I suggest you read the OP.
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

    >>
    >> I tried Disk Cleanup. No luck. Thanks
    >>

    >
    > I too have a series of restore points, ( only 10), of type Backup. They
    > seem to have been created about once a month and they don't show up in
    > CCleaners list of restore points.
    > They go from 8/2/13 back to 25/6/12 (UK date format dd/mm/yy).
    >
    > I've found a group of files, 12, that have the same dates as the Backup
    > restore points, they're about 60-80K in size and they have random names in
    > the GUID format, like:
    > {a39bb8f0-9d31-4a32-8b34-f35110142302}
    >
    > When I look at them with a hex editor there's stuff listed like updates,
    > software info,
    > hardware info and registry settings.
    >
    > They are listed in a hidden folder:
    >
    > C:\System Volume Information\WindowsImageBackup\SPPMetadataCache
    >
    > The dates of the Backup restore points are also referenced in a couple of
    > files:
    >
    > C:\System Volume Information\WindowsImageBackup\Catalog\GlobalCatalog
    > C:\System Volume
    > Information\WindowsImageBackup\Catalog\BackupGlobalCatalog
    >
    > To get access to these files and folders you'll need to take ownership
    > etc.
    > I haven't got a clue if it's safe to delete any of this stuff!
    > I haven't tried deleting anything from my folders as I don't want to mess
    > my system up. :)
    > Good luck.
    >
    >
    >


    Thanks for the input. Intriguing but I don't want to mess around with the
    image backup files, either. Everything is working fine. If it ain't broke,
    don't fix it.
     
    walter, Mar 3, 2013
    #18
  19. walter

    Paul Guest

    Dave-UK wrote:
    >
    > "walter" <> wrote in message
    > news:kgvp4c$ukk$...
    >>
    >> "Gene E. Bloch" <> wrote in message
    >> news:...
    >>> On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 12:29:36 +1100, Rob wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On 3/03/2013 6:38 AM, walter wrote:
    >>>>> I use Windows Images and Windows Restore points, depending on the
    >>>>> severity of my problem.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> snip
    >>>>> I cannot get get rid of these old, inactive "Backup" restore points. I
    >>>>> have deleted all restore points, I have deleted all restore points
    >>>>> except the last one, I have inactivated/reactivated the restore
    >>>>> system.
    >>>>> Are these imaginary restore points merely shadow copies that do not
    >>>>> really exists and therefore cannot be deleted? They serve no purpose,
    >>>>> except to annoy me.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Thanks for any input.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Walter
    >>>>
    >>>> You can use Disk Cleanup to delete restore points and free hard disk
    >>>> space on your computer.
    >>>>
    >>>> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-vista/delete-a-restore-point
    >>>
    >>> I suggest you read the OP.
    >>>
    >>> --
    >>> Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

    >>
    >> I tried Disk Cleanup. No luck. Thanks
    >>

    >
    > I too have a series of restore points, ( only 10), of type Backup. They
    > seem to have been created about once a month and they don't show up in
    > CCleaners list of restore points.
    > They go from 8/2/13 back to 25/6/12 (UK date format dd/mm/yy).
    >
    > I've found a group of files, 12, that have the same dates as the Backup
    > restore points, they're about 60-80K in size and they have random names
    > in the GUID format, like:
    > {a39bb8f0-9d31-4a32-8b34-f35110142302}
    >
    > When I look at them with a hex editor there's stuff listed like updates,
    > software info,
    > hardware info and registry settings.
    >
    > They are listed in a hidden folder:
    >
    > C:\System Volume Information\WindowsImageBackup\SPPMetadataCache
    >
    > The dates of the Backup restore points are also referenced in a couple
    > of files:
    >
    > C:\System Volume Information\WindowsImageBackup\Catalog\GlobalCatalog
    > C:\System Volume Information\WindowsImageBackup\Catalog\BackupGlobalCatalog
    >
    > To get access to these files and folders you'll need to take ownership etc.
    > I haven't got a clue if it's safe to delete any of this stuff!
    > I haven't tried deleting anything from my folders as I don't want to mess
    > my system up. :)
    > Good luck.


    They could be XML format. That's what I would have expected
    as a storage method for the information. It's not always in
    the registry now. My suspicion was based on seeing XML used
    in my System Image folder. And the same can apply to
    System Volume Information contents.

    I don't have a problem with working inside SVI... as long as you
    have a complete backup of C:. I had one accident already, and
    needed that backup. And it was while playing inside SVI, from Linux.

    If I had to guess, how to "make SVI safe", it would be to
    disable the VSS service, so no open VSS files are present
    in SVI. Then, there should be no "special files" inside SVI,
    making it marginally safer for experimentation. But, only
    with that backup handy... :) Um, have fun.

    Paul
     
    Paul, Mar 3, 2013
    #19
  20. walter

    Ed Cryer Guest

    Paul wrote:
    > Dave-UK wrote:
    >>
    >> "walter" <> wrote in message
    >> news:kgvp4c$ukk$...
    >>>
    >>> "Gene E. Bloch" <> wrote in message
    >>> news:...
    >>>> On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 12:29:36 +1100, Rob wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> On 3/03/2013 6:38 AM, walter wrote:
    >>>>>> I use Windows Images and Windows Restore points, depending on the
    >>>>>> severity of my problem.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> snip
    >>>>>> I cannot get get rid of these old, inactive "Backup" restore
    >>>>>> points. I
    >>>>>> have deleted all restore points, I have deleted all restore points
    >>>>>> except the last one, I have inactivated/reactivated the restore
    >>>>>> system.
    >>>>>> Are these imaginary restore points merely shadow copies that do not
    >>>>>> really exists and therefore cannot be deleted? They serve no purpose,
    >>>>>> except to annoy me.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Thanks for any input.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Walter
    >>>>>
    >>>>> You can use Disk Cleanup to delete restore points and free hard disk
    >>>>> space on your computer.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows-vista/delete-a-restore-point
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> I suggest you read the OP.
    >>>>
    >>>> --
    >>>> Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
    >>>
    >>> I tried Disk Cleanup. No luck. Thanks
    >>>

    >>
    >> I too have a series of restore points, ( only 10), of type Backup.
    >> They seem to have been created about once a month and they don't show
    >> up in CCleaners list of restore points.
    >> They go from 8/2/13 back to 25/6/12 (UK date format dd/mm/yy).
    >>
    >> I've found a group of files, 12, that have the same dates as the
    >> Backup restore points, they're about 60-80K in size and they have
    >> random names in the GUID format, like:
    >> {a39bb8f0-9d31-4a32-8b34-f35110142302}
    >>
    >> When I look at them with a hex editor there's stuff listed like
    >> updates, software info,
    >> hardware info and registry settings.
    >>
    >> They are listed in a hidden folder:
    >>
    >> C:\System Volume Information\WindowsImageBackup\SPPMetadataCache
    >>
    >> The dates of the Backup restore points are also referenced in a couple
    >> of files:
    >>
    >> C:\System Volume Information\WindowsImageBackup\Catalog\GlobalCatalog
    >> C:\System Volume
    >> Information\WindowsImageBackup\Catalog\BackupGlobalCatalog
    >>
    >> To get access to these files and folders you'll need to take ownership
    >> etc.
    >> I haven't got a clue if it's safe to delete any of this stuff!
    >> I haven't tried deleting anything from my folders as I don't want to mess
    >> my system up. :)
    >> Good luck.

    >
    > They could be XML format. That's what I would have expected
    > as a storage method for the information. It's not always in
    > the registry now. My suspicion was based on seeing XML used
    > in my System Image folder. And the same can apply to
    > System Volume Information contents.
    >
    > I don't have a problem with working inside SVI... as long as you
    > have a complete backup of C:. I had one accident already, and
    > needed that backup. And it was while playing inside SVI, from Linux.
    >
    > If I had to guess, how to "make SVI safe", it would be to
    > disable the VSS service, so no open VSS files are present
    > in SVI. Then, there should be no "special files" inside SVI,
    > making it marginally safer for experimentation. But, only
    > with that backup handy... :) Um, have fun.
    >
    > Paul


    I wouldn't.
    We have a situation here wherein the System Restore facility wrongly
    keeps entries for non-existent points. Even when you select one and it
    tells you that it doesn't exist, it doesn't give you the option to
    remove it from the list.
    I wouldn't feel at all safe trying to get a workaround for that. Any
    slight mistake could ruin the whole system; and then you'd have to
    reinstall the OS to repair it.

    This is definitely a "letter to MS situation".

    Ed
     
    Ed Cryer, Mar 3, 2013
    #20
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