WLM QuoteFix


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Clog_-_wog (®)

http://www.dusko-lolic.from.hr/wlmquote/

Windows Live Mail. Quote, or no quote?

Microsoft has never bothered to make a proper newsreader for Usenet. They've
been offering their e-mail client Outlook Express for the purpose for ages.
It works reasonably well, aided by little utilities like OE-QuoteFix.

But now we have Windows 7, we have no more Outlook Express. Instead, we have
Windows Live Mail, and we have trouble with it. It is a not too bad
newsreader, apparently, but it is a terrible newswriter! It is completely
and blissfully unaware of all the common Usenet practices, like bottom
posting, cutting off quoted signatures, indenting with quote character,
inserting signatures... As if Microsoft is purposely killing Usenet! Yet,
all of it doesn't prevent people from using it to post Usenet messages with
it.
It shouldn't bother me, as I don't use Windows Live Mail, but it does. I
have to struggle to read and folow terribly formatted messages.
Solution, QuoteFix!

Unfortunately, OE-QuoteFix that used to save us in the past doesn't work
with Windows Live Mail.
So, to help myself by helping others, I have created a simple script to
address the issue. Let's call it WLM QuoteFix. To use it, you have to...
Install AutoHotkey. It is a powerful yet simple scripting interpreter for
Windows automation. Any version will suffice, but full Unicode version is
necessary to properly handle international characters. It can be run without
installing, in portable mode and without administrative privileges, if you
are worried about it affecting your system.
Download this script. Edit it (right mouse click, select Edit Script).
Enter your signature in the place of generic one, adjust signature line
counter (SigLines=x) as necessary. Save the changes.
Run the script (double click). You will notice a new icon in the system
tray , that is our script waiting to be called.

If it looks a bit too complicated, just download and run this compiled
version. It is fully functional, but obviously cannot be customized.
--
Desktop Linux: The Dream Is Dead
"By the time Microsoft released the Windows 7 beta in January 2009, Linux
had clearly lost its chance at desktop glory."
[............]
"Ultimately, Linux is doomed on the desktop because of a critical lack of
content. And that lack of content owes its existence to two key factors: the
fragmentation of the Linux platform, and the fierce ideology of the
open-source community at large."
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/207999/desktop_linux_the_dream_is_dead.html
 
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VanguardLH

Clog-wog said:
http:// www. dusko-lolic. from. hr/ wlmquote/

But now we have Windows 7,
Applicable only to those users that chose to move to Windows 7. Lots of
users are still back on Windows XP. In fact, the overwhelming majority
of users are still on Windows XP.

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10

The choice of users to change from OE to WLM is not dictated merely
because they moved to Windows 7. Lots of users still back on Windows XP
chose to switch from OE to WLM. The problem isn't just because Windows
7 appeared and users don't have an edition that supports XP Mode of the
users don't use it. It's a problem with the users choosing WLM as their
newsreader. For Windows 7 users, there was no included newsreader so
those users had to go install one. It was *their* choice to go with WLM
instead of a better NNTP client. They chose a crappy one and are too
lazy to bother using a better one.
we have no more Outlook Express.
Not necessarily true. That depends on which EDITION of Windows 7 that
you have. Some editions allow you to run XP Mode which is a license to
run a virtualized copy of Windows XP (which comes with IE6 which was the
last version to bundle in OE). You can have OE on Windows 7 if you have
XP Mode.
Install AutoHotkey.
Rather than require the installation and use of a 3rd party scripting
tool, I have to wonder if the scripting engine (wscript) already
included in Windows (or powerscript after including in a Windows Update)
couldn't be used instead.
Download this script. Edit it (right mouse click, select Edit Script).
For OE now WLM users who are too lazy to modify their replies before
submitting them, I doubt they will suddenly become energized to be
editing scripts or to even initiate the script before replying. If you
have a car owner that never checked their tire pressures on their own
intitiative, you think putting a tire guage in their glove box is going
to change their preexisting behavior?
Run the script (double click). You will notice a new icon in the system
tray , that is our script waiting to be called.
Unlike OE-QuoteFix, there is nothing automatic with this AutoHotkey
script. The user must first compose a reply (so there is a window with
content on which the script can manipulate) and then remember to hit the
hotkey or click the icon to run the AutoHotkey script. Yeah, better
than nothing; however, using a better newsreader is also not only better
than nothing but a smarter choice.
 
A

Anthony Buckland

Applicable only to those users that chose to move to Windows 7. Lots of
users are still back on Windows XP. In fact, the overwhelming majority
of users are still on Windows XP.

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10

The choice of users to change from OE to WLM is not dictated merely
because they moved to Windows 7. ...
The pie slices will change, inevitably, as people buy new machines
(other than Mac), which will all have Windows 7 installed. Only
the highly informed will consider installing anything else.
 
F

Forte

Anthony Buckland said:
The pie slices will change, inevitably, as people buy new machines
(other than Mac), which will all have Windows 7 installed. Only
the highly informed will consider installing anything else.
The way Microsoft goes people will be buying inevitably no
other than Mac machines ... -;)))
 
F

Forte

Rob said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13453497
Stupid users are the problem, not Operating Systems.
I wouldn't be so harsh for less experienced users of MS OS.
However you may be right in general, although MS is not
taking on board seriously enough user's points /wishes.
That may be its weakness. Although Mac ignores entirely customer's
wishes as they know what's the best for them and this time
Mac's gamble paid off.

BTW here is an interesting news on MS "vision" odevelopment...

"Microsoft trashes Intel's comments about Windows 8 and ARM
by Iain Thomson 20 May 2011
A curt response from Microsoft to comments from Intel about upcoming
versions of Windows has left analysts guessing as to the future of the
operating system.
Renée James, Intel's senior vice president for software and services, said
at an investor's day this week that Microsoft will build different versions
of Windows 8 for specific ARM platforms and system-on-a-chip (SoC) models.
[...]

Read more:
http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2072452/intel-mistake-windows-plans-arm-claims-microsoft#ixzz1Mu3B4aMc
The V3 App store has games, downloads and more. Visit the store now.
 
F

Forte

Rob said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13453497
Stupid users are the problem, not Operating Systems.
I wouldn't be so harsh for less experienced users of MS OS.
However you may be right in general, although MS is not
taking on board seriously enough user's points /wishes.
That may be its weakness. Although Mac ignores entirely customer's
wishes as they know what's the best for them and this time
Mac's gamble paid off.

BTW here is an interesting news on MS "vision" odevelopment...

"Microsoft trashes Intel's comments about Windows 8 and ARM
by Iain Thomson 20 May 2011
A curt response from Microsoft to comments from Intel about upcoming
versions of Windows has left analysts guessing as to the future of the
operating system.
Renée James, Intel's senior vice president for software and services, said
at an investor's day this week that Microsoft will build different versions
of Windows 8 for specific ARM platforms and system-on-a-chip (SoC) models.
[...]

Read more:
http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2072452/intel-mistake-windows-plans-arm-claims-microsoft#ixzz1Mu3B4aMc
The V3 App store has games, downloads and more. Visit the store now.
 
S

SC Tom

Forte said:
Rob said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13453497
Stupid users are the problem, not Operating Systems.
I wouldn't be so harsh for less experienced users of MS OS.
However you may be right in general, although MS is not
taking on board seriously enough user's points /wishes.
That may be its weakness. Although Mac ignores entirely customer's
wishes as they know what's the best for them and this time
Mac's gamble paid off.

BTW here is an interesting news on MS "vision" odevelopment...

"Microsoft trashes Intel's comments about Windows 8 and ARM
by Iain Thomson 20 May 2011
A curt response from Microsoft to comments from Intel about upcoming
versions of Windows has left analysts guessing as to the future of the
operating system.
Renée James, Intel's senior vice president for software and services, said
at an investor's day this week that Microsoft will build different
versions
of Windows 8 for specific ARM platforms and system-on-a-chip (SoC) models.
[...]

Read more:
http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2072452/intel-mistake-windows-plans-arm-claims-microsoft#ixzz1Mu3B4aMc
The V3 App store has games, downloads and more. Visit the store now.
And this was so important that you had to post it twice LOL?

I've been hearing the same old tired arguments about people abandoning
Microsoft for Apple since Windows 3.1, and Microsoft still has better than
90% of the PC market share. Looks like it's another case of "Do as I say,
not as I do." ;-)
 
D

Dave \Crash\ Dummy

SC said:
Forte said:
Rob said:
On 20/05/2011 14:37, Forte wrote:

On 19/05/2011 5:11 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Clog-wog wrote:

http:// www. dusko-lolic. from. hr/ wlmquote/

But now we have Windows 7,

Applicable only to those users that chose to move to Windows 7.
Lots of
users are still back on Windows XP. In fact, the overwhelming
majority
of users are still on Windows XP.

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10



The choice of users to change from OE to WLM is not dictated merely
because they moved to Windows 7. ...

The pie slices will change, inevitably, as people buy new machines
(other than Mac), which will all have Windows 7 installed. Only
the highly informed will consider installing anything else.


The way Microsoft goes people will be buying inevitably no
other than Mac machines ... -;)))

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13453497
Stupid users are the problem, not Operating Systems.
I wouldn't be so harsh for less experienced users of MS OS.
However you may be right in general, although MS is not
taking on board seriously enough user's points /wishes.
That may be its weakness. Although Mac ignores entirely customer's
wishes as they know what's the best for them and this time
Mac's gamble paid off.

BTW here is an interesting news on MS "vision" odevelopment...

"Microsoft trashes Intel's comments about Windows 8 and ARM
by Iain Thomson 20 May 2011
A curt response from Microsoft to comments from Intel about upcoming
versions of Windows has left analysts guessing as to the future of the
operating system.
Renée James, Intel's senior vice president for software and services,
said
at an investor's day this week that Microsoft will build different
versions
of Windows 8 for specific ARM platforms and system-on-a-chip (SoC)
models.
[...]

Read more:
http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2072452/intel-mistake-windows-plans-arm-claims-microsoft#ixzz1Mu3B4aMc

The V3 App store has games, downloads and more. Visit the store now.
And this was so important that you had to post it twice LOL?

I've been hearing the same old tired arguments about people abandoning
Microsoft for Apple since Windows 3.1, and Microsoft still has better
than 90% of the PC market share. Looks like it's another case of "Do as
I say, not as I do." ;-)
And don't forget how Linux is going to conquer the world at any moment. :)

Personally, I wish Microsoft would release and updated version of
Windows 2000.
 
C

Clog_-_wog (®)

VanguardLH said:
Applicable only to those users that chose to move to Windows 7. Lots of
users are still back on Windows XP. In fact, the overwhelming majority
of users are still on Windows XP.

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10

The choice of users to change from OE to WLM is not dictated merely
because they moved to Windows 7. Lots of users still back on Windows XP
chose to switch from OE to WLM. The problem isn't just because Windows
7 appeared and users don't have an edition that supports XP Mode of the
users don't use it. It's a problem with the users choosing WLM as their
newsreader. For Windows 7 users, there was no included newsreader so
those users had to go install one. It was *their* choice to go with WLM
instead of a better NNTP client. They chose a crappy one and are too
lazy to bother using a better one.


Not necessarily true. That depends on which EDITION of Windows 7 that
you have. Some editions allow you to run XP Mode which is a license to
run a virtualized copy of Windows XP (which comes with IE6 which was the
last version to bundle in OE). You can have OE on Windows 7 if you have
XP Mode.


Rather than require the installation and use of a 3rd party scripting
tool, I have to wonder if the scripting engine (wscript) already
included in Windows (or powerscript after including in a Windows Update)
couldn't be used instead.


For OE now WLM users who are too lazy to modify their replies before
submitting them, I doubt they will suddenly become energized to be
editing scripts or to even initiate the script before replying. If you
have a car owner that never checked their tire pressures on their own
intitiative, you think putting a tire guage in their glove box is going
to change their preexisting behavior?


Unlike OE-QuoteFix, there is nothing automatic with this AutoHotkey
script. The user must first compose a reply (so there is a window with
content on which the script can manipulate) and then remember to hit the
hotkey or click the icon to run the AutoHotkey script. Yeah, better
than nothing; however, using a better newsreader is also not only better
than nothing but a smarter choice.

Please tell the "average user" how to export all their account settings,
contacts, e-mail to any other e-mail & news client (Forté Agent, Seamonkey
a.s.o)?
It's just a logical step to move from OE + (Dominik Jain's) QuoteFix => WM +
(Dominik Jain's) QuoteFix => WLM + QuoteFix, IMHO, for most users of an
e-mail *&* news client.
 
B

Bob I

SC said:
Forte said:
On 20/05/2011 14:37, Forte wrote:

On 19/05/2011 5:11 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Clog-wog wrote:

http:// www. dusko-lolic. from. hr/ wlmquote/

But now we have Windows 7,

Applicable only to those users that chose to move to Windows 7.
Lots of
users are still back on Windows XP. In fact, the overwhelming
majority
of users are still on Windows XP.

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10



The choice of users to change from OE to WLM is not dictated merely
because they moved to Windows 7. ...

The pie slices will change, inevitably, as people buy new machines
(other than Mac), which will all have Windows 7 installed. Only
the highly informed will consider installing anything else.


The way Microsoft goes people will be buying inevitably no
other than Mac machines ... -;)))

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13453497
Stupid users are the problem, not Operating Systems.


I wouldn't be so harsh for less experienced users of MS OS.
However you may be right in general, although MS is not
taking on board seriously enough user's points /wishes.
That may be its weakness. Although Mac ignores entirely customer's
wishes as they know what's the best for them and this time
Mac's gamble paid off.

BTW here is an interesting news on MS "vision" odevelopment...

"Microsoft trashes Intel's comments about Windows 8 and ARM
by Iain Thomson 20 May 2011
A curt response from Microsoft to comments from Intel about upcoming
versions of Windows has left analysts guessing as to the future of the
operating system.
Renée James, Intel's senior vice president for software and services,
said
at an investor's day this week that Microsoft will build different
versions
of Windows 8 for specific ARM platforms and system-on-a-chip (SoC)
models.
[...]

Read more:
http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2072452/intel-mistake-windows-plans-arm-claims-microsoft#ixzz1Mu3B4aMc

The V3 App store has games, downloads and more. Visit the store now.
And this was so important that you had to post it twice LOL?

I've been hearing the same old tired arguments about people abandoning
Microsoft for Apple since Windows 3.1, and Microsoft still has better
than 90% of the PC market share. Looks like it's another case of "Do
as I say, not as I do." ;-)
And don't forget how Linux is going to conquer the world at any moment. :)

Personally, I wish Microsoft would release and updated version of
Windows 2000.
They did, it was called Windows XP.
 
D

Dave \Crash\ Dummy

Bob said:
SC said:
On 20/05/2011 14:37, Forte wrote:

in message
On 19/05/2011 5:11 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
Clog-wog wrote:

http:// www. dusko-lolic. from. hr/ wlmquote/

But now we have Windows 7,

Applicable only to those users that chose to move to
Windows 7. Lots of users are still back on Windows XP.
In fact, the overwhelming majority of users are still
on Windows XP.

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10








The choice of users to change from OE to WLM is not
dictated merely because they moved to Windows 7. ...

The pie slices will change, inevitably, as people buy new
machines (other than Mac), which will all have Windows 7
installed. Only the highly informed will consider
installing anything else.


The way Microsoft goes people will be buying inevitably no
other than Mac machines ... -;)))

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13453497 Stupid users
are the problem, not Operating Systems.


I wouldn't be so harsh for less experienced users of MS OS.
However you may be right in general, although MS is not taking
on board seriously enough user's points /wishes. That may be
its weakness. Although Mac ignores entirely customer's wishes
as they know what's the best for them and this time Mac's
gamble paid off.

BTW here is an interesting news on MS "vision" odevelopment...

"Microsoft trashes Intel's comments about Windows 8 and ARM by
Iain Thomson 20 May 2011 A curt response from Microsoft to
comments from Intel about upcoming versions of Windows has left
analysts guessing as to the future of the operating system.
Renée James, Intel's senior vice president for software and
services, said at an investor's day this week that Microsoft
will build different versions of Windows 8 for specific ARM
platforms and system-on-a-chip (SoC) models. [...]

Read more:
http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2072452/intel-mistake-windows-plans-arm-claims-microsoft#ixzz1Mu3B4aMc






The V3 App store has games, downloads and more. Visit the store
now.


And this was so important that you had to post it twice LOL?

I've been hearing the same old tired arguments about people
abandoning Microsoft for Apple since Windows 3.1, and Microsoft
still has better than 90% of the PC market share. Looks like it's
another case of "Do as I say, not as I do." ;-)
And don't forget how Linux is going to conquer the world at any
moment. :)

Personally, I wish Microsoft would release and updated version of
Windows 2000.
They did, it was called Windows XP.
Not exactly. XP requires registration. XP will lose support soon, anyway.
 
V

VanguardLH

Clog_-_wog (®) said:
Please tell the "average user" how to export all their account settings,
contacts, e-mail to any other e-mail & news client (Forté Agent, Seamonkey
a.s.o)?
It's just a logical step to move from OE + (Dominik Jain's) QuoteFix => WM +
(Dominik Jain's) QuoteFix => WLM + QuoteFix, IMHO, for most users of an
e-mail *&* news client.
If the average user is switching to a different NNTP client aka
newsreader then they don't care about migrating their email accounts
because they're only using the good NNTP client to connect to an NNTP
server to participate in Usenet, not do email. Similarly, they don't
care about migrating their email contact lists aka address books
because, again, we're talking about switching to a better NNTP client,
not to something for email. Migrating the account settings is trivial.
Just how many NNTP (news) accounts do you have defined that would become
such a laborious task to define them anew in another NNTP client?

Even if you switch to another NNTP client that is a combo email+news
program doesn't mean you have to bother with its email functions. This
is Usenet. Discussion of email functionality in combo clients is
irrelevant because NNTP isn't an email protocol. By the way, some combo
clients *will* import from other email or combo clients.

When you get around to deciding to get a new car (whether it is new or
used, it is new to you) then, gee, you'll have to learn where are all
those dash controls and perhaps some effort on how to drive it. But
once that pain is over, you don't go through it again. It's a learning
curve with anything new - and that DOES include migrating from OE to WLM
because WLM does have different behaviors than OE both in functionality
and in its message store. However, unlike switching a new car every few
years, you only need to switch to a *good* NNTP client maybe once in 20
years, if that. Of course, like getting a new car, you would tend to
shop around for what is "best" for you in an NNTP client so you might
want to trial a few (or hope suggestions from others give you an NNTP
client that you'll be happy with for a long time).
 
G

GreyCloud

I wouldn't be so harsh for less experienced users of MS OS.
However you may be right in general, although MS is not
taking on board seriously enough user's points /wishes.
That may be its weakness. Although Mac ignores entirely customer's
wishes as they know what's the best for them and this time
Mac's gamble paid off.
That isn't entirely true on that point. I discussed with an Apple
engineer a few years ago about the importance of using a selectable
pager to put various running programs into different screens. X11
supported this for a long time. I chided them for ignoring what Sun
Microsystems and IBM AIX have been using for a long time and that Apple
called their os UNIX compliant? <chuckle> Apple put in what they call
Spaces. Not the best solution, but it works well.

But now, they are about to lose the whole enchilada... XCode 4, Apples'
development environment, only has 2 people running that project! And
XCode 4 is in deep Doodoo. Too many bugs, and developers are beginning
to squawk loudly. Apple with billions in profits can only afford just
two people for development software? Totally insane!
A lot of these people that are complaining are now leaving the Apple camp.
BTW here is an interesting news on MS "vision" odevelopment...

"Microsoft trashes Intel's comments about Windows 8 and ARM
by Iain Thomson 20 May 2011
A curt response from Microsoft to comments from Intel about upcoming
versions of Windows has left analysts guessing as to the future of the
operating system.
Renée James, Intel's senior vice president for software and services, said
at an investor's day this week that Microsoft will build different versions
of Windows 8 for specific ARM platforms and system-on-a-chip (SoC) models.
[...]

Read more:
http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2072452/intel-mistake-windows-plans-arm-claims-microsoft#ixzz1Mu3B4aMc

The V3 App store has games, downloads and more. Visit the store now.
 
G

GreyCloud

And this was so important that you had to post it twice LOL?

I've been hearing the same old tired arguments about people abandoning
Microsoft for Apple since Windows 3.1, and Microsoft still has better
than 90% of the PC market share. Looks like it's another case of "Do as
I say, not as I do." ;-)
Actually, the reverse is starting to happen. It used to be good with
Xcode 2.4. But Apple engineers, whoever these nitwits are, have made a
major mess out of their latest release of XCode 4, let alone the
mistakes and omissions in Xcode 3. Most of what Apple has promoted was
nothing more than a marketing illusion. (or maybe just an allusion)
It used to be that XCode was free for the download... but now they want
a few bucks, which is no big deal. The problem are the big time bugs in
the new Xcode 4. Last... Apples iOS development package... independant
developers are getting sued over Apples patent infringement and Apple
isn't coming to the defense of the independent developers. Pretty crappy
situation.
 
E

Ed Cryer

I consider XP a huge step back from Win2k.
Why? I found XP the ideal OS. It took me some time to accept Win7 over
it. Even now I hanker after it.

Ed
 
X

XS11E

Ed Cryer said:
Why? I found XP the ideal OS. It took me some time to accept Win7
over it. Even now I hanker after it.
Win2k was smaller, faster and would do everything XP would do w/o the
bloat. If they had a 64 bit version I'd still be running it.
 
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Twayne

In
Anthony Buckland said:
The pie slices will change, inevitably, as people buy new
machines (other than Mac), which will all have Windows 7
installed. Only the highly informed will consider
installing anything else.
And in many cases it's already become impossible for lack of mother board
and other support areas.

There is a huge installed base for XP out there and it's reliable and stable
now, just as win 98 was at the end, and 7 will be at its end. The number of
updates for 7 is already a large and totally unacceptable number, which
could/should have been taken care of before release though! It's ridiculous!

I do agree that a very substantial number of users are still on XP though,
and are likely to stay there as long as possible. My desktop can run either
XP or 7 and came with both sets of OS/Support/Drivers discs.
The only caveat is that you can't get XP with most new machines anymore
and the bleeding edge machines can't run it for lack of mother board drivers
and the like. If Linux could ever get its act together I'll go to one of
those flavors but not until; there are still too many apps that don't exist
or the ones that do are junk, hardware drivers are missing, as are 'nix
compatible applications I require having. It'd be a huge step backwards to
go to 'nix for the foreseeable future. Maybe someday ...

HTH,

Twayne`
 

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