What were you thinking!


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John Ferrell

I am still evaluating the move from XPPRO to Win 7. Mostly things are
going smooth. What ever I might save with the new features always gets
lost in hunting tools!

Today I needed to select a set of user files (.RMY in this case) and
copy them from the older install to the newer install. Normally a
simple thing to do, Open windows explorer, set the view to details and
include the file extents in the display, click the column to sort on
the extents, copy the .RMY's and paste in the new location. Definitely
less than five seconds.

Go take a look and see how this is done...

My guess is that the rookies that set up this interface had zilch
experience with anything other than video games.

If you are going to muck up the operators console please have the
common sense to allow the user to redefine the look & feel of what
they are familiar with. I will use the next free time I find looking
to see if some one has already done it.

I am back to XP PRO for today!

John Ferrell W8CCW
 
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Alex Clayton

"John Ferrell" wrote in message

I am still evaluating the move from XPPRO to Win 7. Mostly things are
going smooth. What ever I might save with the new features always gets
lost in hunting tools!

Today I needed to select a set of user files (.RMY in this case) and
copy them from the older install to the newer install. Normally a
simple thing to do, Open windows explorer, set the view to details and
include the file extents in the display, click the column to sort on
the extents, copy the .RMY's and paste in the new location. Definitely
less than five seconds.

Go take a look and see how this is done...

My guess is that the rookies that set up this interface had zilch
experience with anything other than video games.

If you are going to muck up the operators console please have the
common sense to allow the user to redefine the look & feel of what
they are familiar with. I will use the next free time I find looking
to see if some one has already done it.

I am back to XP PRO for today!

John Ferrell W8CCW
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If you are happy with XP then there is nothing to worry about as long as you
can use it. I would be fine with it if MS had kept XP. The problem is they
did not. I am sure it will be easy to use for a while to come, but as
happens when a new OS comes out as time passes it will get to be more of a
problem. sounds like it would be worth investing in a good book.

-- Inside every older person is a younger person wondering, 'What the hell
happened?'
 
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Char Jackson

Today I needed to select a set of user files (.RMY in this case) and
copy them from the older install to the newer install. Normally a
simple thing to do, Open windows explorer, set the view to details and
include the file extents in the display, click the column to sort on
the extents, copy the .RMY's and paste in the new location. Definitely
less than five seconds.

Go take a look and see how this is done...

If you are going to muck up the operators console please have the
common sense to allow the user to redefine the look & feel of what
they are familiar with. I will use the next free time I find looking
to see if some one has already done it.

I am back to XP PRO for today!
What problem(s) did you have?
 
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Stan Brown

"John Ferrell" wrote in message

I am still evaluating the move from XPPRO to Win 7. Mostly things are
going smooth. What ever I might save with the new features always gets
lost in hunting tools!
Please fix your quoting style. When you use that idiosyncratic
technique, and someone else follows up on it, it looks like you said
what you actually only quoted.

I'm aware that the recent updates to Windows Live Mail broke your
quoting style. Unfortunately that poses a painful choice to you:
either fix every quote manually, or get a real newsreader such as
Gravity or Forte Agent (to mention the two that come to mind at the
moment).

Thanks for your consideration!
 
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Gene E. Bloch

include the file extents in the display, click the column to sort on
the extents,
"File extent" is not the same as "File extension". A file extent means a
portion of a larger file.

And it has nothing to do with any operator's console - there's nothing
quite like that in normal Windows. I'm guessing you mean the Windows
Explorer.

BTW, I have no idea why you feel you need to set the display to Details.
That seems to imply that you have set up the Explorer to hide extensions
- which if so is the whole cause of your problem.

What you described as not working for you works fine for me, so I think
you are making a procedural error, but I couldn't figure out what from
your text. If I could, I'd try to help...

Having said that, here are two more ideas.
1. In Explorer, use the Windows search command, and search for EXT: rmy
(or maybe you have to type the dot as well).

2. Download & install Agent Ransack and do the same as in suggestion 1,
but search for *.rmy instead. It might be easier to use (it is for me).

To me, the problem seems not to be with the designers of the system, but
with the user.
 
K

KCB

Stan Brown said:
Please fix your quoting style. When you use that idiosyncratic
technique, and someone else follows up on it, it looks like you said
what you actually only quoted.

I'm aware that the recent updates to Windows Live Mail broke your
quoting style. Unfortunately that poses a painful choice to you:
either fix every quote manually, or get a real newsreader such as
Gravity or Forte Agent (to mention the two that come to mind at the
moment).

Thanks for your consideration!
FYI Stan, it's been established in another thread in this group, that Mr.
Clayton doesn't care how his quoting style appears.
 
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Alex Clayton

Stan Brown said:
Please fix your quoting style. When you use that idiosyncratic
technique, and someone else follows up on it, it looks like you said
what you actually only quoted.

I'm aware that the recent updates to Windows Live Mail broke your
quoting style. Unfortunately that poses a painful choice to you:
either fix every quote manually, or get a real newsreader such as
Gravity or Forte Agent (to mention the two that come to mind at the
moment).

Thanks for your consideration!



--

I considered it for all of 3 seconds.
No thanks
 
J

John Ferrell

Please fix your quoting style. When you use that idiosyncratic
technique, and someone else follows up on it, it looks like you said
what you actually only quoted.

I'm aware that the recent updates to Windows Live Mail broke your
quoting style. Unfortunately that poses a painful choice to you:
either fix every quote manually, or get a real newsreader such as
Gravity or Forte Agent (to mention the two that come to mind at the
moment).

Thanks for your consideration!
Thank you for pointing this out to me. I will attempt to do better on
my part. I am using the latest Agent software so it should be do able.

Dumping Windows Live and Bing! are on my things to do list as well...
John Ferrell W8CCW
 
J

John Ferrell

Please fix your quoting style. When you use that idiosyncratic
technique, and someone else follows up on it, it looks like you said
what you actually only quoted.

I'm aware that the recent updates to Windows Live Mail broke your
quoting style. Unfortunately that poses a painful choice to you:
either fix every quote manually, or get a real newsreader such as
Gravity or Forte Agent (to mention the two that come to mind at the
moment).

Thanks for your consideration!
Ooops! I see you were not talking to me!
John Ferrell W8CCW
 
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John Ferrell

What problem(s) did you have?
I am objecting to the idea that a new OS should ignore what has been
working fine just to be different.

John Ferrell W8CCW
 
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Char Jackson

I am objecting to the idea that a new OS should ignore what has been
working fine just to be different.
Yes, but what problems did you have while trying to select some files
and copy or move them? Did you resolve your issue?
 
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John Ferrell

"File extent" is not the same as "File extension". A file extent means a
portion of a larger file.
Bingo! You got me there, I will admit to old age and perhaps the onset
of some senility! I knew better and I deserved the scolding...
And it has nothing to do with any operator's console - there's nothing
quite like that in normal Windows. I'm guessing you mean the Windows
Explorer.
Yes, I could have said that better.
BTW, I have no idea why you feel you need to set the display to Details.
That seems to imply that you have set up the Explorer to hide extensions
- which if so is the whole cause of your problem.
I did not expect the default to be hiding things. It caught me again.
What you described as not working for you works fine for me, so I think
you are making a procedural error, but I couldn't figure out what from
your text. If I could, I'd try to help...
It works now that I have finally found where to set it up. My
impatience over ruled my thinking!
Having said that, here are two more ideas.
1. In Explorer, use the Windows search command, and search for EXT: rmy
(or maybe you have to type the dot as well).
I will try that, That would be another way to get the results I
wanted. Past machines have been slow enough to discourage search's, at
least in my experience.
2. Download & install Agent Ransack and do the same as in suggestion 1,
but search for *.rmy instead. It might be easier to use (it is for me).
Never heard of Agent Ransack! I will Google it and check it out. If it
is on the Agent Web site I am even more embarrassed. I have been an
Agent User since 1 point something.
To me, the problem seems not to be with the designers of the system, but
with the user.
Yes, I am not as smart as I want to be. Some programs are beginning to
show up with specs demanding Win 7. Some new motherboards claim that
they will not run XP. I will have to take the time required to learn
the system.

The last thing I expected was that some one would respond so tactfully
to my rant. I will try to act my age in the future. On second thought,
maybe not that old!

Thanks for your time!

John Ferrell W8CCW
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Bingo! You got me there, I will admit to old age and perhaps the onset
of some senility! I knew better and I deserved the scolding...
:)

Not so much scolding (I hope), but just to keep you out of semantic
trouble :)
Yes, I could have said that better.
I did not expect the default to be hiding things. It caught me again.
'Tis a pain in the butt. I have no idea why the gurus at Microsoft do
that - it annoys experienced people (I include you), and I can't see
that it helps the novices in any way.
It works now that I have finally found where to set it up. My
impatience over ruled my thinking!
Slow down, old fella.

Just teasing.
I will try that, That would be another way to get the results I
wanted. Past machines have been slow enough to discourage search's, at
least in my experience.
Never heard of Agent Ransack! I will Google it and check it out. If it
is on the Agent Web site I am even more embarrassed. I have been an
Agent User since 1 point something.
http://www.mythicsoft.com/page.aspx?type=agentransack&page=home

It's not related to the Agent newsreader.
Yes, I am not as smart as I want to be. Some programs are beginning to
show up with specs demanding Win 7. Some new motherboards claim that
they will not run XP. I will have to take the time required to learn
the system.

The last thing I expected was that some one would respond so tactfully
to my rant. I will try to act my age in the future. On second thought,
maybe not that old!

Thanks for your time!

John Ferrell W8CCW
Please don't act your age. It's more fun not to.
 
C

Char Jackson

Never heard of Agent Ransack! I will Google it and check it out. If it
is on the Agent Web site I am even more embarrassed. I have been an
Agent User since 1 point something.
No worries, Agent Ransack is not related to Forte Agent.

Agent Ransack is a powerful search tool, but I like another search
tool much better. Take a look at Everything.

<http://www.voidtools.com/>

Instead of giving it a set of search criteria and waiting for the
results, Everything starts by showing you every file and then
eliminates them in real time as you begin to enter search criteria.
Once you see it in action, other search tools just don't measure up.
 
C

Clog_-_wog (®)

Char Jackson said:
No worries, Agent Ransack is not related to Forte Agent.

Agent Ransack is a powerful search tool, but I like another search
tool much better. Take a look at Everything.

<http://www.voidtools.com/>

Instead of giving it a set of search criteria and waiting for the
results, Everything starts by showing you every file and then
eliminates them in real time as you begin to enter search criteria.
Once you see it in action, other search tools just don't measure up.
Yeah sure, you twit:
http://www.voidtools.com/faq.php#Does_Everything_search_file_contents
"1.3 Does Everything search file contents?
No, "Everything" does not search file contents, only file and folder names."

Agent Ransack:
"Any files selected in the File List view are displayed in the Contents
view. When searching through the contents of the files then the contents
found in the selected files are also displayed. To select all the files
click Select All from the Edit menu." (including pdf files)
http://www.mythicsoft.com/agentransack/help/index.html?contentsview.htm
 
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Ken Blake

Agent Ransack is a powerful search tool, but I like another search
tool much better. Take a look at Everything.

<http://www.voidtools.com/>

Instead of giving it a set of search criteria and waiting for the
results, Everything starts by showing you every file and then
eliminates them in real time as you begin to enter search criteria.
Once you see it in action, other search tools just don't measure up.


I just downloaded this and am looking at it now for the first time.

Does this only search on file names? Am I right that it can't search
for text within a file, or find newsgroup messages in Agent or e-mail
messages in Microsoft Outlook?

If I'm wrong, can you tell me how to do those other kinds of searches?
 
C

Char Jackson

I just downloaded this and am looking at it now for the first time.

Does this only search on file names? Am I right that it can't search
for text within a file, or find newsgroup messages in Agent or e-mail
messages in Microsoft Outlook?

If I'm wrong, can you tell me how to do those other kinds of searches?
No, you're right, it only searches by filename. It doesn't search for
text within a file and it doesn't search network shares. Network
search would be nice, (although I understand why it's not possible),
but I have never had a reason to search for text within a file so that
limitation doesn't affect me. Others may not feel the same way.
 
K

Ken Blake

No, you're right, it only searches by filename. It doesn't search for
text within a file and it doesn't search network shares. Network
search would be nice, (although I understand why it's not possible),
but I have never had a reason to search for text within a file so that
limitation doesn't affect me. Others may not feel the same way.

Thanks. Although it looks very nice in other respects, if it can't do
all the things that Agent Ransack can, I think I'll keep both of them,
and use them in different situations.
 
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Char Jackson

Thanks. Although it looks very nice in other respects, if it can't do
all the things that Agent Ransack can, I think I'll keep both of them,
and use them in different situations.
Absolutely! That's the perfect scenario.
 

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