Vista/W-7 update

[Gene E. Bloch]

To clarify, it does work on HP PC's with Win 7. It's only your HP that
currently has a problem.

+1

 

[Alex Clayton]

You mean when a MS update messes something up it's the operators fault?
?!?!?!?

To me and my way of looking at it, when it is 3d party stuff, yes that is my
error. Since the 3d party stuff is normally something I had a choice in
either MS or some other vendor.
Before MS came out with their own anti virus I of course used 3d party. A
time or two an update would render them a problem but nothing big. I had far
more trouble with both McAfee and Norton that had nothing to do with MS.
McAfee came close to having the bank go after them for fraud. Had to do a
credit card charge back on them twice. The worst one I can remember was Zone
alarm. One of the updates made it keep me from connecting at all. I thought
the ISP was at fault till I got on line and found out it was them.
I have long ago got around any update problems by being a selfish,
irresponsible computer user and not taking updates until they have been out
a few days and I do not hear of any problems.

I remember before I even tried to

Yep, that's how both W98/second edition and XP were. W95 was the pits.
Hardly ever a problem with those two.


We really don't want to learn all over again with a MAC either. But both
Vista and W-7 have been problematic for us.

That you have. Now if I was having that kind of trouble I would buy a Mac
and give it a shot no matter how much they cost.

 

[Andy]

you can order a modem from hp that will work with vista and windows 7 i did
works perfectly

 

[Sparky]

SHHHH!!!! A working modem is likely to result in more posts !

 

[Valorie *~]

I can't explain it then. Friends of mine have Wildblue, and my brother
is a dealer for his area. I know from firsthand experience that when
you call for service, they can access your account and see exactly
what your signal strength is, including its history, and they can see
exactly how many times your end has lost the signal, including the
date and time, etc, and a whole lot more.

Of course they can. They tell us our 3 or 4 yr old equipment is old and
should be replaced. They make excuses when we asked about signal strength.
It's cloudy or some other atmospheric condition is blamed... or they want us
to replace the equipment saying it's old etc.

In short, they don't need to

send someone out to see what's going on since they can see what's
going on from the comfort of their chair. They may have to send
someone to repoint the dish or tweak the hardware, but that person
would never have to come out just to see what's going on.

I assumed when the person got here he or she would adjust the dish if that's
what was needed, but apparently they don't support our 3 or 4 year old
equipment any more. I guess everyone is supposed to just replace it once
it's a few years old. Like we're all made of money......... >:-(

 

[Valorie *~]

To clarify, it does work on HP PC's with Win 7. It's only your HP that
currently has a problem.

We got some things working (It did detect the external modem) after the
System-Recovery but there are still problems with W-7. The "Permissions"
thing is driving us BOTH crazy. Neither of us can find a way to disband it,
get rid of it, work around it or kill it completely. Nothing we do gives us
permission to remove programs that have no uninstaller and don't show up in
the remove-programs window. It always asks for "permission" from another
Admin, an Admin-group, the owner, the trusted-installer,... whoever and
round and round we go - never gaining permission. >:-( Right now my
husband is doing what amounts to a reformatting and reinstalling the OS on
the HP W-7 as it was when it came out of the box. I can't believe this is
going on this long.

 

[Char Jackson]

Of course they can. They tell us our 3 or 4 yr old equipment is old and
should be replaced. They make excuses when we asked about signal strength.
It's cloudy or some other atmospheric condition is blamed... or they want us
to replace the equipment saying it's old etc.

I'm 100% certain there's a significant part of this story missing.
Being 3-4 years old is not a reason for replacement.

In short, they don't need to

I assumed when the person got here he or she would adjust the dish if that's
what was needed, but apparently they don't support our 3 or 4 year old
equipment any more. I guess everyone is supposed to just replace it once
it's a few years old. Like we're all made of money......... >:-(

Just a guess, but maybe they're afraid to come out to your neck of the
woods. I hear it's dark and scary out there. ;-)

Seriously, there's too much missing from this story for me to help you
any further. Good luck with it.

 

[Valorie *~]

you can order a modem from hp that will work with vista and windows 7 i
did works perfectly

Hi Andy, after a SystemRecovery W-7 detected the external modem. But with
the other problems still there, my husband is reinstalling the OS from the 3
DVD disks. Something must have become corrupt right from the start - the day
we brought it home. We'll see what happens after the OS is reinstalled. A
SysRec on Vista did wonders. It was worth the time. I've had no more
problems with it since.

 

[Valorie *~]

SHHHH!!!! A working modem is likely to result in more posts !

Learn to use your killfile. BTW, we have 5 working PCs at this time.

 

[Valorie *~]

To me and my way of looking at it, when it is 3d party stuff, yes that is
my error. Since the 3d party stuff is normally something I had a choice in
either MS or some other vendor.
Before MS came out with their own anti virus I of course used 3d party. A
time or two an update would render them a problem but nothing big. I had
far more trouble with both McAfee and Norton that had nothing to do with
MS. McAfee came close to having the bank go after them for fraud. Had to
do a credit card charge back on them twice. The worst one I can remember
was Zone alarm. One of the updates made it keep me from connecting at all.
I thought the ISP was at fault till I got on line and found out it was
them.

I got rid of things like Zone Alarm and Norton long ago.

I have long ago got around any update problems by being a selfish,
irresponsible computer user and not taking updates until they have been
out a few days and I do not hear of any problems.

That is a good idea. But can it be dependant on how a PC is set up? Perhaps
an update that wont affect one PC will affect another?

That you have. Now if I was having that kind of trouble I would buy a Mac
and give it a shot no matter how much they cost.

We just may do that in the future. Neither of us can cope with all this
absurd "permission" security crap on W-7 and I doubt MS will get rid of it.
God only knows how much worse "Permissions" will be on the next MS OS. I
shudder to think......

 

[Nil]

We just may do that in the future. Neither of us can cope with
all this absurd "permission" security crap on W-7 and I doubt MS
will get rid of it. God only knows how much worse "Permissions"
will be on the next MS OS. I shudder to think......

If you wouldn't break your system by trying to shoehorn unsupported
programs onto it without knowing what you're doing, if you would
provide complete detailed pertinent information when specifically
asked, if you could follow detailed instructions, if your real
intention wasn't to get ego strokes by playing the WNYB game... you
would not be in this position.

 

[Valorie *~]

I'm 100% certain there's a significant part of this story missing.
Being 3-4 years old is not a reason for replacement.

What can be missing? The dish is on the roof and in good condition. No trees
fell on it and no one goes on the roof. ?!?!?!? Trees are not blocking the
signal.

Just a guess, but maybe they're afraid to come out to your neck of the
woods. I hear it's dark and scary out there. ;-)

Only at night. :-D

Seriously, there's too much missing from this story for me to help you
any further. Good luck with it.

What do you need to know? They dish probably needs adjustment but they will
not send anyone out here to check it. How do I get them to send someone out?

 

[Valorie *~]

If you wouldn't break your system by trying to shoehorn unsupported
programs onto it without knowing what you're doing, if you would
provide complete detailed pertinent information when specifically
asked,

When did you ask me for "complete detailed pertinent information" about
anything? What's "complete detailed pertinent information" to one person
may not be to another, especially someone not a software writer or PC
technician.

if you could follow detailed instructions,

Which DETAILED instructions could I not follow?

if your real
intention wasn't to get ego strokes by playing the WNYB game... you
would not be in this position.

The WNYB game? Am I supposed to know what that is? Ego strokes for having
so much trouble with the W-7 PC? Why would I get ego strokes for that? You
make no sense and waste my time.

 

[Andy]

That is the purpose of this news group.

 

[Alex Clayton]

That is a good idea. But can it be dependant on how a PC is set up?
Perhaps an update that wont affect one PC will affect another?

Again while I am nothing close to expert, that has never happened to me, so
I don't worry about it. I guess if it ever does I would deal with it. Now
days I am far more comfortable just formatting a PC if need be. Before HS
Net it was a PITA because it took 24 - 48 hours to load stuff back in. Now
days it's a matter of an hour at most so if things get too screwy I don't
really mind just starting over.

 

[Bob I]

I got rid of things like Zone Alarm and Norton long ago.


That is a good idea. But can it be dependant on how a PC is set up?
Perhaps an update that wont affect one PC will affect another?

You mean like when HP puts Intel drivers on an AMD based PC? Yes that
messed up a few users PCs when they installed a Windows service pack.

 

[Bob I]

What can be missing? The dish is on the roof and in good condition. No
trees fell on it and no one goes on the roof. ?!?!?!? Trees are not
blocking the signal.

Flaky antenna horn

 

[Bob I]

When did you ask me for "complete detailed pertinent information" about
anything? What's "complete detailed pertinent information" to one person
may not be to another, especially someone not a software writer or PC
technician.


Which DETAILED instructions could I not follow?



The WNYB game? Am I supposed to know what that is? Ego strokes for
having so much trouble with the W-7 PC? Why would I get ego strokes for
that? You make no sense and waste my time.

As was discussed earlier, Why Not..Yes But.

 

[Rodney Pont]

Flaky antenna horn

Can't you get a local dish company to come out and check it Valorie?
Their signal meter doesn't know what type of data it is and should be
able to show the signal strength.

 

[Valorie *~]

Can't you get a local dish company to come out and check it Valorie?
Their signal meter doesn't know what type of data it is and should be
able to show the signal strength.

I haven't checked with a local dish co. The strength can't be great because
we lose the signal in a light rain or even snow flurries. We also have
DirecTV and don't lose that signal unless it's really raining or snowing
hard. That dish is older.