Speaking of Libraries ....

[Joe Morris]

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

Yes, but it's only two keys (AltGr is a single key, the righthand Alt if
it's not marked on your keyboard, you don't need to press shift with 6 to
make it a caret), so really AltGr 6 followed by vowel, a few others too

AltGr with tilde (ok, hash) then letters e.g. ã
AltGr with c, eg ç
AltGr with 2 then letters e.g. ö

Annoyingly, I don't know of a way to get grave accents, or the German long
's'.

Using the UK Extended keyboard setting:

<backtick or "opening single quote"> (top row, first key) is a dead key; if
the next key is {aeiouwy} then the character generated is that character
with an grave accent (accented w and y are used in Welsh text). If any
other key is struck the tilde and that character are emitted as two separate
characters.

Acute accents can be added to {aeiouwy} by either striking that character
with AltGr depressed, or by AlgGr+' followed by the appropriate letter key.

AltGr+# (second row, last key) followed by n yields ñ. Similarly, AltGr+2
followed by {aeiouwy} adds a diaeresis, and AltGr+6 plus {aeiouwy} adds a
circumflex. (SHIFT+2 is a double quote and SHIFT+6 is a circumflex; this
gives mnemonc value to the use of 2 and 6 here.)

The only way I know to get the sharp-S character ß on a US or UK keyboard is
to use ALT+0223.

Of course, all of this assumes that your current font defines those
characters in their usual place.

Joe

 

[Andy Burns]

I'm afraid it isn't working for me
Alt-Gr e does work - é.


That's been bagged by another application (brings the Connect window to
the fore).

Sounds as though your machine is a bit over confused whether it's got
two ALT keys, or an ALT and and ALTGr ... is it a laptop?

 

[Andy Burns]

Using the UK Extended keyboard setting:

<backtick or "opening single quote"> (top row, first key) is a dead key; if
the next key is {aeiouwy} then the character generated is that character
with an grave accent (accented w and y are used in Welsh text).

Ah yes I do remember, I was trying it with AltGr+backtick then letter,
which doesn't have the diesired efect

Of course, all of this assumes that your current font defines those
characters in their usual place.

Thanks, I still prefer compose sequences, I think I tried this before
and it doesn't work with Win7

http://sourceforge.net/projects/allchars/

 

[James Silverton]

Sounds as though your machine is a bit over confused whether it's got
two ALT keys, or an ALT and and ALTGr ... is it a laptop?

You are not describing something for the US qwerty keyboard are you?
There are sequences that have mnemonic value and work in MS Word; for
example CTRL-` followed by e to get è (e grave). They don't work for
composing e-mail even if you can use the ALT-ascii method (if you happen
to remember the ascii number). I suppose it might be useful to have a
desktop shortcut to the ASCII table.

--


James Silverton, Potomac

I'm *not* (e-mail address removed)

 

[Andy Burns]

You are not describing something for the US qwerty keyboard are you?

No, what I described is for a UK keyboard using the extended keymap, I
daresay similar sequences apply for other European keyboards that have a
greater need of accented chracters (obviously some of the frequent ones
get their own keys).

There are sequences that have mnemonic value and work in MS Word; for
example CTRL-` followed by e to get è (e grave). They don't work for
composing e-mail even if you can use the ALT-ascii method (if you happen
to remember the ascii number).

When the AltGr sequences work, they work in everything from notepad, to
Word.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Sounds as though your machine is a bit over confused whether it's got
two ALT keys, or an ALT and and ALTGr ... is it a laptop?

It's a netbook, with an Alt key to the left of the space bar, and an
AltGr key to the right.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Using the UK Extended keyboard setting:

<backtick or "opening single quote"> (top row, first key) is a dead key; if
the next key is {aeiouwy} then the character generated is that character
with an grave accent (accented w and y are used in Welsh text). If any
other key is struck the tilde and that character are emitted as two separate
characters.

`a ¦a - that was ` then a, followed by AltGr-` then a; as you can see,
they each come out as two characters.

Acute accents can be added to {aeiouwy} by either striking that character
with AltGr depressed, or by AlgGr+' followed by the appropriate letter key.

áéíóú - done with the AltGr key and aeiou; AltGr-w brings up something.
AltGr-y doesn't seem to do anything.

aeiou - altgr-' doesn't seem to do anything. So we're _possibly_ getting
somewhere: for me the AltGr plus aeiou work, but the AltGr plus
something else _followed_ by things doesn't work.

AltGr+# (second row, last key) followed by n yields ñ. Similarly, AltGr+2

n - nope. a - nope.

followed by {aeiouwy} adds a diaeresis, and AltGr+6 plus {aeiouwy} adds a

a - that was altgr-6 followed by a. á - that was altgr, 6, and a all at
once.

circumflex. (SHIFT+2 is a double quote and SHIFT+6 is a circumflex; this
gives mnemonc value to the use of 2 and 6 here.)

The only way I know to get the sharp-S character ß on a US or UK keyboard is
to use ALT+0223.

Of course, all of this assumes that your current font defines those
characters in their usual place.

I'm just using courier, under XP SP3.

 

[Andy Burns]

I'm just using courier, under XP SP3.

Oh, I thought you were using win7?

The "extend support of advanced text services to all programs" option
that I previously mentioned should still exist for you then ...

And AFAIR the AltGr sequences for used to work OK on XP too with UK
extended.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Oh, I thought you were using win7?

Yes, I understand the confusion, as that thread had somehow got back to
just the 7 newsgroup.

The "extend support of advanced text services to all programs" option
that I previously mentioned should still exist for you then ...

I can't find it though!

And AFAIR the AltGr sequences for used to work OK on XP too with UK
extended.

Well, I haven't got this "extended" (or can't find it); without it, I
can get the combinations (áéíóú etc.), but not the sequences. At least,
I'm just guessing that it's the lack of the "extended" that's the reason
- it might have nothing to do with it.