Speaking of Libraries ....

[Art Todesco]

With all the discussion recently about Libraries, I have a question.
When I got my W7 PC (Dell) and I went through the 1st start up, I ended
up with a folder (user) under c:\users\ , let's call it, myuser. On my
desktop also appeared a 'folder' called myuser. It has a strange icon
that looks like a bust view of a person coming out of the folder. If
you double click on it, it opens with stuff that W7 put in, like My
Pictures, My Backup Files, etc., plus stuff I've put in. It even has
Desktop, which, if you double click, opens the actual desktop folder for
this user. However, if you look at it from c:\users\myuser, it has a
plain folder icon. Double clicking produces the same results as from
the folder icon on the desktop. If you right click on the
c:\users\myuser, you can select properties and see the folder properties
plus other options. However, if you right click on the desktop icon,
there is no 'properties' to click on; only a few choices like Create
Shortcut and Delete which looks real dangerous. Can someone explain this.
Thanks.

 

[Char Jackson]

With all the discussion recently about Libraries, I have a question.

Hmm, as it turns out, your "question" has nothing to do with
Libraries.

When I got my W7 PC (Dell) and I went through the 1st start up, I ended
up with a folder (user) under c:\users\ , let's call it, myuser. On my
desktop also appeared a 'folder' called myuser. It has a strange icon
that looks like a bust view of a person coming out of the folder. If
you double click on it, it opens with stuff that W7 put in, like My
Pictures, My Backup Files, etc., plus stuff I've put in. It even has
Desktop, which, if you double click, opens the actual desktop folder for
this user. However, if you look at it from c:\users\myuser, it has a
plain folder icon. Double clicking produces the same results as from
the folder icon on the desktop. If you right click on the
c:\users\myuser, you can select properties and see the folder properties
plus other options. However, if you right click on the desktop icon,
there is no 'properties' to click on; only a few choices like Create
Shortcut and Delete which looks real dangerous. Can someone explain this.

What was your question?

 

[Roy Smith]

With all the discussion recently about Libraries, I have a question.
When I got my W7 PC (Dell) and I went through the 1st start up, I ended
up with a folder (user) under c:\users\ , let's call it, myuser. On my
desktop also appeared a 'folder' called myuser. It has a strange icon
that looks like a bust view of a person coming out of the folder. If
you double click on it, it opens with stuff that W7 put in, like My
Pictures, My Backup Files, etc., plus stuff I've put in. It even has
Desktop, which, if you double click, opens the actual desktop folder for
this user. However, if you look at it from c:\users\myuser, it has a
plain folder icon. Double clicking produces the same results as from
the folder icon on the desktop. If you right click on the
c:\users\myuser, you can select properties and see the folder properties
plus other options. However, if you right click on the desktop icon,
there is no 'properties' to click on; only a few choices like Create
Shortcut and Delete which looks real dangerous. Can someone explain this.
Thanks.

So what specifically are you worried about? What you've described is
normal behavior for Windows 7. That is the User's Files icon which
opens Windows Explorer on C:\Users\[user account]. Though it's
different from a icon you'd get from a shortcut because this is a system
setting. If you do want to change the icon or remove it from your
desktop do this:

1. Right click any blank area of your desktop and choose Personalize in
the drop-down menu.

2. In the next window the text on the left side are links, so click on
the line that says Change Desktop Icons.

In the next window you can add/remove icons from your desktop, or change
their appearance,


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
Thunderbird 7.0.1
Wednesday, October 26, 2011 8:50:56 AM

 

[Art Todesco]

With all the discussion recently about Libraries, I have a question.
When I got my W7 PC (Dell) and I went through the 1st start up, I ended
up with a folder (user) under c:\users\ , let's call it, myuser. On my
desktop also appeared a 'folder' called myuser. It has a strange icon
that looks like a bust view of a person coming out of the folder. If
you double click on it, it opens with stuff that W7 put in, like My
Pictures, My Backup Files, etc., plus stuff I've put in. It even has
Desktop, which, if you double click, opens the actual desktop folder for
this user. However, if you look at it from c:\users\myuser, it has a
plain folder icon. Double clicking produces the same results as from
the folder icon on the desktop. If you right click on the
c:\users\myuser, you can select properties and see the folder properties
plus other options. However, if you right click on the desktop icon,
there is no 'properties' to click on; only a few choices like Create
Shortcut and Delete which looks real dangerous. Can someone explain this.
Thanks.

So what specifically are you worried about? What you've described is
normal behavior for Windows 7. That is the User's Files icon which
opens Windows Explorer on C:\Users\[user account]. Though it's
different from a icon you'd get from a shortcut because this is a system
setting. If you do want to change the icon or remove it from your
desktop do this:

1. Right click any blank area of your desktop and choose Personalize in
the drop-down menu.

2. In the next window the text on the left side are links, so click on
the line that says Change Desktop Icons.

In the next window you can add/remove icons from your desktop, or change
their appearance,

I'm really not worried about anything here, however, on the desktop icon
for [user account], you can't just right click and go to properties. It
doesn't id itself as a shortcut, like you say. I can, however, go the
the folder icon at c:\users\[user account], right click on it and select
properties, and it shows that it is a folder. For any other shortcut
icon, right click under properties, it will say shortcut. It would be
nice if Windows was consistent. But, it's not a big deal ... mostly
just curiosity. My original question was about the desktop folder [user
name], if it has something to do with Libraries ... from the replies, not.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

With all the discussion recently about Libraries, I have a question.
When I got my W7 PC (Dell) and I went through the 1st start up, I ended
up with a folder (user) under c:\users\ , let's call it, myuser. On my
desktop also appeared a 'folder' called myuser. It has a strange icon
that looks like a bust view of a person coming out of the folder. If
you double click on it, it opens with stuff that W7 put in, like My
Pictures, My Backup Files, etc., plus stuff I've put in. It even has
Desktop, which, if you double click, opens the actual desktop folder for
this user. However, if you look at it from c:\users\myuser, it has a
plain folder icon. Double clicking produces the same results as from
the folder icon on the desktop. If you right click on the
c:\users\myuser, you can select properties and see the folder properties
plus other options. However, if you right click on the desktop icon,
there is no 'properties' to click on; only a few choices like Create
Shortcut and Delete which looks real dangerous. Can someone explain this.
Thanks.

So what specifically are you worried about? What you've described is
normal behavior for Windows 7. That is the User's Files icon which
opens Windows Explorer on C:\Users\[user account]. Though it's
different from a icon you'd get from a shortcut because this is a system
setting. If you do want to change the icon or remove it from your
desktop do this:

1. Right click any blank area of your desktop and choose Personalize in
the drop-down menu.

2. In the next window the text on the left side are links, so click on
the line that says Change Desktop Icons.

In the next window you can add/remove icons from your desktop, or change
their appearance,

Thanks - this is one thing that escaped my notice.

I mean the whole desktop icons panel, not just the user icon.

It's humbling

 

[Char Jackson]

With all the discussion recently about Libraries, I have a question.
When I got my W7 PC (Dell) and I went through the 1st start up, I ended
up with a folder (user) under c:\users\ , let's call it, myuser. On my
desktop also appeared a 'folder' called myuser. It has a strange icon
that looks like a bust view of a person coming out of the folder. If
you double click on it, it opens with stuff that W7 put in, like My
Pictures, My Backup Files, etc., plus stuff I've put in. It even has
Desktop, which, if you double click, opens the actual desktop folder for
this user. However, if you look at it from c:\users\myuser, it has a
plain folder icon. Double clicking produces the same results as from
the folder icon on the desktop. If you right click on the
c:\users\myuser, you can select properties and see the folder properties
plus other options. However, if you right click on the desktop icon,
there is no 'properties' to click on; only a few choices like Create
Shortcut and Delete which looks real dangerous. Can someone explain this.
Thanks.

So what specifically are you worried about? What you've described is
normal behavior for Windows 7. That is the User's Files icon which
opens Windows Explorer on C:\Users\[user account]. Though it's
different from a icon you'd get from a shortcut because this is a system
setting. If you do want to change the icon or remove it from your
desktop do this:

1. Right click any blank area of your desktop and choose Personalize in
the drop-down menu.

2. In the next window the text on the left side are links, so click on
the line that says Change Desktop Icons.

In the next window you can add/remove icons from your desktop, or change
their appearance,

Thanks - this is one thing that escaped my notice.

I mean the whole desktop icons panel, not just the user icon.

It's humbling

But hasn't the ability to add/remove icons from the desktop or change
their appearance been around since Win 95?

There have been a few threads lately where really old, established
Windows behaviors are being rediscovered, and I find it interesting,
in a way.

 

[Roy Smith]

With all the discussion recently about Libraries, I have a question.
When I got my W7 PC (Dell) and I went through the 1st start up, I ended
up with a folder (user) under c:\users\ , let's call it, myuser. On my
desktop also appeared a 'folder' called myuser. It has a strange icon
that looks like a bust view of a person coming out of the folder. If
you double click on it, it opens with stuff that W7 put in, like My
Pictures, My Backup Files, etc., plus stuff I've put in. It even has
Desktop, which, if you double click, opens the actual desktop folder for
this user. However, if you look at it from c:\users\myuser, it has a
plain folder icon. Double clicking produces the same results as from
the folder icon on the desktop. If you right click on the
c:\users\myuser, you can select properties and see the folder properties
plus other options. However, if you right click on the desktop icon,
there is no 'properties' to click on; only a few choices like Create
Shortcut and Delete which looks real dangerous. Can someone explain
this.
Thanks.

So what specifically are you worried about? What you've described is
normal behavior for Windows 7. That is the User's Files icon which
opens Windows Explorer on C:\Users\[user account]. Though it's
different from a icon you'd get from a shortcut because this is a system
setting. If you do want to change the icon or remove it from your
desktop do this:

1. Right click any blank area of your desktop and choose Personalize in
the drop-down menu.

2. In the next window the text on the left side are links, so click on
the line that says Change Desktop Icons.

In the next window you can add/remove icons from your desktop, or change
their appearance,

I'm really not worried about anything here, however, on the desktop icon
for [user account], you can't just right click and go to properties. It
doesn't id itself as a shortcut, like you say. I can, however, go the
the folder icon at c:\users\[user account], right click on it and select
properties, and it shows that it is a folder. For any other shortcut
icon, right click under properties, it will say shortcut. It would be
nice if Windows was consistent. But, it's not a big deal ... mostly
just curiosity. My original question was about the desktop folder [user
name], if it has something to do with Libraries ... from the replies, not.

Here's the rub, the User Files desktop icon used to be called "My
Documents" in earlier versions of Windows. Though since now it shows
more that just your documents folder in your user directory, I guess
they decided to rename it to whatever user account was logged on at the
moment.


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
Thunderbird 7.0.1
Thursday, October 27, 2011 12:10:10 AM

 

[Roy Smith]

On 10/25/2011 1:12 PM, Art Todesco wrote:
With all the discussion recently about Libraries, I have a question.
When I got my W7 PC (Dell) and I went through the 1st start up, I ended
up with a folder (user) under c:\users\ , let's call it, myuser. On my
desktop also appeared a 'folder' called myuser. It has a strange icon
that looks like a bust view of a person coming out of the folder. If
you double click on it, it opens with stuff that W7 put in, like My
Pictures, My Backup Files, etc., plus stuff I've put in. It even has
Desktop, which, if you double click, opens the actual desktop folder for
this user. However, if you look at it from c:\users\myuser, it has a
plain folder icon. Double clicking produces the same results as from
the folder icon on the desktop. If you right click on the
c:\users\myuser, you can select properties and see the folder properties
plus other options. However, if you right click on the desktop icon,
there is no 'properties' to click on; only a few choices like Create
Shortcut and Delete which looks real dangerous. Can someone explain this.
Thanks.

So what specifically are you worried about? What you've described is
normal behavior for Windows 7. That is the User's Files icon which
opens Windows Explorer on C:\Users\[user account]. Though it's
different from a icon you'd get from a shortcut because this is a system
setting. If you do want to change the icon or remove it from your
desktop do this:

1. Right click any blank area of your desktop and choose Personalize in
the drop-down menu.

2. In the next window the text on the left side are links, so click on
the line that says Change Desktop Icons.

In the next window you can add/remove icons from your desktop, or change
their appearance,

Thanks - this is one thing that escaped my notice.

I mean the whole desktop icons panel, not just the user icon.

It's humbling

But hasn't the ability to add/remove icons from the desktop or change
their appearance been around since Win 95?

Yes it has...

There have been a few threads lately where really old, established
Windows behaviors are being rediscovered, and I find it interesting,
in a way.

Only thing I can come up with is that its a novice user who finds a
feature that they didn't use before and is thinking that it is new, but
in reality it has been a part of Windows for a number of years.

Then too it could also be that one finds a particular way of doing a
given task and just doesn't realize that there are other ways of
accomplishing the same results. For example I've been using a Windows
based PC for over 10 years and never really knew what that one key on
the keyboard was for until a couple of years ago. The key I'm talking
about is the list key that's located between the right Windows and
CTRL keys.


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
Thunderbird 7.0.1
Thursday, October 27, 2011 12:38:11 AM

 

[Art Todesco]

But hasn't the ability to add/remove icons from the desktop or change
their appearance been around since Win 95?

There have been a few threads lately where really old, established
Windows behaviors are being rediscovered, and I find it interesting,
in a way.

Ya, but, the only way I've ever done it is to right click on the icon
and go to properties. In properties, there is usually a place to change
icons, like under the Customize tab. But, going to my original post,
you can't do that on the [user account] icon, apparently because is is
different than a standard folder on the desktop.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

On 10/25/2011 1:12 PM, Art Todesco wrote:
With all the discussion recently about Libraries, I have a question.
When I got my W7 PC (Dell) and I went through the 1st start up, I ended
up with a folder (user) under c:\users\ , let's call it, myuser. On my
desktop also appeared a 'folder' called myuser. It has a strange icon
that looks like a bust view of a person coming out of the folder. If
you double click on it, it opens with stuff that W7 put in, like My
Pictures, My Backup Files, etc., plus stuff I've put in. It even has
Desktop, which, if you double click, opens the actual desktop folder for
this user. However, if you look at it from c:\users\myuser, it has a
plain folder icon. Double clicking produces the same results as from
the folder icon on the desktop. If you right click on the
c:\users\myuser, you can select properties and see the folder properties
plus other options. However, if you right click on the desktop icon,
there is no 'properties' to click on; only a few choices like Create
Shortcut and Delete which looks real dangerous. Can someone explain this.
Thanks.

So what specifically are you worried about? What you've described is
normal behavior for Windows 7. That is the User's Files icon which
opens Windows Explorer on C:\Users\[user account]. Though it's
different from a icon you'd get from a shortcut because this is a system
setting. If you do want to change the icon or remove it from your
desktop do this:

1. Right click any blank area of your desktop and choose Personalize in
the drop-down menu.

2. In the next window the text on the left side are links, so click on
the line that says Change Desktop Icons.

In the next window you can add/remove icons from your desktop, or change
their appearance,

Thanks - this is one thing that escaped my notice.

I mean the whole desktop icons panel, not just the user icon.

It's humbling

But hasn't the ability to add/remove icons from the desktop or change
their appearance been around since Win 95?

There have been a few threads lately where really old, established
Windows behaviors are being rediscovered, and I find it interesting,
in a way.

To steal from Roy Smith's reply to your post,

"Then too it could also be that one finds a particular way of doing a
given task and just doesn't realize that there are other ways of
accomplishing the same results."

Although I might say "one finds several ways..." and so "just doesn't
bother looking for..."

Maybe, since it didn't appear until Windows 95, I can use that as my
excuse: it wasn't in Windows 2 or WfW 3.11, so I didn't notice its
Johnny-come-lately appearance later.

Any excuse will do, if you ask me. For another example, maybe I *did*
know about it and just forgot...

In truth, my real point in the first place was that it's fun to stumble
across a useful idea that you (meaning *I*) probably should've known
about years ago

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <[email protected]>, Roy Smith

Then too it could also be that one finds a particular way of doing a
given task and just doesn't realize that there are other ways of
accomplishing the same results. For example I've been using a Windows
based PC for over 10 years and never really knew what that one key on
the keyboard was for until a couple of years ago. The key I'm talking
about is the list key that's located between the right Windows and
CTRL keys.

Ah, the one I think of as the "right-click" or "properties" key. My
blind friend refers to it as the context menu, which I think is probably
the official name. (Most of Windows - and especially the web - is _not_
particularly blind-friendly, though it's improving: hopefully the iPhone
will give it a kick, since that, though still bad, is a lot better than
Windows out-of-the-box.)Another key on the keyboard whose function largely escapes me is the Alt
Gr key, which on UK keyboards is what the right-hand Alt key is called;
in a _few_ applications I've found it gives alternative characters, but
most of the time I've found no use for it, so I'd be interested if
anyone _does_ know (in XP and '9x, not just 7!).

 

[Bob I]

In message <[email protected]>, Roy Smith

Ah, the one I think of as the "right-click" or "properties" key. My
blind friend refers to it as the context menu, which I think is probably
the official name. (Most of Windows - and especially the web - is _not_
particularly blind-friendly, though it's improving: hopefully the iPhone
will give it a kick, since that, though still bad, is a lot better than
Windows out-of-the-box.)
Another key on the keyboard whose function largely escapes me is the Alt
Gr key, which on UK keyboards is what the right-hand Alt key is called;
in a _few_ applications I've found it gives alternative characters, but
most of the time I've found no use for it, so I'd be interested if
anyone _does_ know (in XP and '9x, not just 7!).

Read up
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key

 

[charlie]

Read up
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key

Perhaps the greatest variation in US keyboards existed as a legacy of
the terminal era. Into the 90's the DOD and others had "legacy" programs
and databases that were originally accessed via terminals. These
terminals had non standard keyboards, although the basic character set
keys were almost identical to the current US version. Then, there were
keyboards that were designed with "enhanced" shift key functions in
order to handle oriental language characters and symbols.

The DOD situation was bad enough that key mapping programs were in use
with the first few generations of IBM compatible clones. In not a few
cases, for those that were totally immersed in the legacy applications,
special P/S-2 compatible keyboards with added (twenty or more) function
keys, with applicable legends and key mapper programs were used.

These days laptop keyboards seem to have the greatest variation in keys
and key usage, non standard layouts, and so forth.

Occasionally, before I retired, I did run across industrial keyboards
that are unique to use, and have really strange key mapping.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On 10/29/2011 3:25 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: []

Another key on the keyboard whose function largely escapes me is the Alt
Gr key, which on UK keyboards is what the right-hand Alt key is called;
in a _few_ applications I've found it gives alternative characters, but
most of the time I've found no use for it, so I'd be interested if
anyone _does_ know (in XP and '9x, not just 7!).

Read up
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key

Thanks. It seems to not always do what that says, however.

 

[Joe Morris]

Thanks. It seems to not always do what that says, however.

But what keyboard type have you set up in the "Region and Language" control
panel?

Using a regular US English keyboard but telling Windows that it's a UK
English keyboard the right-hand ALT key (aka AltGR on non-US keyboards)
doesn't do too much, but there are a few:

AltGR+3 is the Euro symbol
AltGR+{aeiou} is {áéíóú}; add SHIFT to get uppercase.
AltGR+Top row, first key is vertical (broken) bar

Additionally:

SHIFT+Top row, first key changes from ~ to <PL/1 negation>
Shift+2 changes from @ to "
Shift+3 changes from dollar to pound
SHIFT+Second row, last key changes from | to ~
SHIFT+Third row, last key is @ (double-quote on US keyboards)


Joe

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On 10/29/2011 3:25 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: [AltGr key]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key

Thanks. It seems to not always do what that says, however.

But what keyboard type have you set up in the "Region and Language" control
panel?

Using a regular US English keyboard but telling Windows that it's a UK
English keyboard the right-hand ALT key (aka AltGR on non-US keyboards)
doesn't do too much, but there are a few:

AltGR+3 is the Euro symbol 4, actually
AltGR+{aeiou} is {áéíóú}; add SHIFT to get uppercase.
AltGR+Top row, first key is vertical (broken) bar

€áéíóúÃÉÃÓÚ¦
I am in UK, and Windows knows I have a UK keyboard.

What I meant was, it doesn't always _work_: not under all applications.
I can't say now which do and which don't.

Additionally:

SHIFT+Top row, first key changes from ~ to <PL/1 negation>

or "open single quotes" as some people have it.

Shift+2 changes from @ to "

Yes, odd that - @ and " are opposite way round on UK and US; I've never
known why.

Shift+3 changes from dollar to pound

We still have $, it's just on Shift+4.

SHIFT+Second row, last key changes from | to ~

Odd that; I'd have thought the tilde was more needed in America, with so
much more Spanish. I don't think I ever saw ¦ or | on a British
typewriter in the days before computers, though, whereas ~ was there.
(IIRR on some typewriters it didn't advance the carriage, so you could
type the n without having to backspace.)

SHIFT+Third row, last key is @ (double-quote on US keyboards) See above.

Occasionally I have to use a machine where the layout has reverted to
the US, so I have to sort of know the US one.

Some years (decades?) ago, I remember seeing a keyboard with little LCDs
in the keys, but I haven't since; I suppose it cost too much. Pity. I
also once found a completely blank keyboard, which delighted my blind
friend - she is a touch typist, and liked having a keyboard few sighted
people could use!

 

[Andy Burns]

I am in UK, and Windows knows I have a UK keyboard.

There is "UK" layout and also "UK Extended" layout which gives extra
dead-keys like AltGr with ^ followed by vowels, not quite as good as the
old DEC compose sequences though ...

What I meant was, it doesn't always _work_: not under all applications.
I can't say now which do and which don't.

Before Win7 (maybe before Vista, I wouldn't know, never touched it)
there was a setting in control panel that determined if the advanced
text features were "forced" on all apps or not, it's been moved or
removed in Win7.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

There is "UK" layout and also "UK Extended" layout which gives extra
dead-keys like AltGr with ^ followed by vowels, not quite as good as
the old DEC compose sequences though ...

Do you mean Alt-Gr ^ (a three-key combination) followed by o would
generate ô? That would be most useful! I've looked in control panel
under Keyboard and under Regional Settings, but I can't find "UK
Extended" though - should I be looking somewhere else?

Before Win7 (maybe before Vista, I wouldn't know, never touched it)
there was a setting in control panel that determined if the advanced
text features were "forced" on all apps or not, it's been moved or
removed in Win7.

Again, I've looked - where is it?

Actually, for ô above (and similar), I use Diacrit (from
http://www.sandrila.co.uk/diacrit/), which is useful - OK, it _could_ be
described as just a variation on Character Map, but I find it quicker.

 

[Andy Burns]

Do you mean Alt-Gr ^ (a three-key combination) followed by o would
generate ô? That would be most useful!

Yes, but it's only two keys (AltGr is a single key, the righthand Alt if
it's not marked on your keyboard, you don't need to press shift with 6
to make it a caret), so really AltGr 6 followed by vowel, a few others too

AltGr with tilde (ok, hash) then letters e.g. ã
AltGr with c, eg ç
AltGr with 2 then letters e.g. ö

Annoyingly, I don't know of a way to get grave accents, or the German
long 's'.

I've looked in control panel
under Keyboard and under Regional Settings, but I can't find "UK
Extended" though - should I be looking somewhere else?

Regional, Keyboard, then use the Add Button and it's somewhere under English

Again, I've looked - where is it?

That's what I mean by moved or removed - I can't find that option now,
it used to exist for XP.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Yes, but it's only two keys (AltGr is a single key, the righthand Alt
if it's not marked on your keyboard, you don't need to press shift with
6 to make it a caret), so really AltGr 6 followed by vowel, a few
others too

I'm afraid it isn't working for me (XP) - o - that was AltGr 6 followed
by o. Alt-Gr e does work - é.

AltGr with tilde (ok, hash) then letters e.g. ã
a

AltGr with c, eg ç

That's been bagged by another application (brings the Connect window to
the fore).

AltGr with 2 then letters e.g. ö

o - I'll just try with the USA position of ", o - nope.

Annoyingly, I don't know of a way to get grave accents, or the German
long 's'.

Me neither! (If I'm in a hurry, I just use a B. Since the ess-zett [sp?]
never occurs at the start of a word, it's usually unambiguous.)

Regional, Keyboard, then use the Add Button and it's somewhere under English

I'm in XP: Control Panel, Regional and Language Options - no sign of
Keyboard. Ah, hang on: CP, R&LO, Languages tab, Details ... click on
Keyboard, Add: I get a drop-down list, with 13 Englishes in it, but none
of them are Advanced. I get this same list elsewhere.

That's what I mean by moved or removed - I can't find that option now,
it used to exist for XP.

Ah. Anyone in the XP 'group know?