New weird W7 network problem


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Art Todesco

I have been following the 3 or 4 threads here about networking between
W7 machines and XP machines. I've now come up with a new problem. I
have a W7 Pro desktop and several other XP machines. I have set pretty
much open permissions so I can see all files from all the machines and
move them anywhere I wish. I now have a new laptop. It is W7 Home
Premium. I can, from the new machine, see all files on all the other
computers. However, when I try to access the new laptop (W7 Home
Premium) from any other machines, I see the shared directories, but can
only access the 'Users Share' directory containing 'Default' and
'Public' directories. I can see the c directory and another directory,
but when I double click on it, I get the message "Windows cannot access
\\Delllt\c You do not have permission to access \\Delllt\c". But, I do
have all the permissions set. I have previously set up a workgroup
called mshome on all the machines. I did have the new laptop join the
workgroup mshome. I have avoided the 'Homegroup' thing on the W7
machines knowing that it doesn't play nice with XP, or should I say, not
at all.
Any ideas?
Thanks.
 
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Ken1943

I have been following the 3 or 4 threads here about networking between
W7 machines and XP machines. I've now come up with a new problem. I
have a W7 Pro desktop and several other XP machines. I have set pretty
much open permissions so I can see all files from all the machines and
move them anywhere I wish. I now have a new laptop. It is W7 Home
Premium. I can, from the new machine, see all files on all the other
computers. However, when I try to access the new laptop (W7 Home
Premium) from any other machines, I see the shared directories, but can
only access the 'Users Share' directory containing 'Default' and
'Public' directories. I can see the c directory and another directory,
but when I double click on it, I get the message "Windows cannot access
\\Delllt\c You do not have permission to access \\Delllt\c". But, I do
have all the permissions set. I have previously set up a workgroup
called mshome on all the machines. I did have the new laptop join the
workgroup mshome. I have avoided the 'Homegroup' thing on the W7
machines knowing that it doesn't play nice with XP, or should I say, not
at all.
Any ideas?
Thanks.
On the folder you want to share go to Advanced Sharing and

In advanced sharing > permissions> you have to add user EVERYONE and
check all the boxes.


KenW
 
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Art Todesco

On the folder you want to share go to Advanced Sharing and

In advanced sharing > permissions> you have to add user EVERYONE and
check all the boxes.


KenW
Unfortunately, I've done that to no avail. I still want to try and put
same user/password on each machine, as suggested in other threads. This
should not be rocket science. I hate MS and Windows. It seems every
time they come out with a new version, it changes everything. Dumb.
 
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Gene Wirchenko

[snip]
Unfortunately, I've done that to no avail. I still want to try and put
same user/password on each machine, as suggested in other threads. This
should not be rocket science. I hate MS and Windows. It seems every
time they come out with a new version, it changes everything. Dumb.
Putting the same user/password on every machine is dumb, too. If
someone gets control of one machine, he can easily get control of the
rest.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
 
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Art Todesco

[snip]
Unfortunately, I've done that to no avail. I still want to try and put
same user/password on each machine, as suggested in other threads. This
should not be rocket science. I hate MS and Windows. It seems every
time they come out with a new version, it changes everything. Dumb.
Putting the same user/password on every machine is dumb, too. If
someone gets control of one machine, he can easily get control of the
rest.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
I agree. Actually, the article that I read, said to make a User account
and password on each machine. It said the User names had to match, but
the passwords need not be the same. That said, it certainly didn't work
in my case. So, I still can't get to my new laptop from any of the
other computers in my network. My current thinking is that maybe it has
something to do with firewall setting, but that's just a wild guess.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

[snip]
Unfortunately, I've done that to no avail. I still want to try and put
same user/password on each machine, as suggested in other threads. This
should not be rocket science. I hate MS and Windows. It seems every
time they come out with a new version, it changes everything. Dumb.
Putting the same user/password on every machine is dumb, too. If
someone gets control of one machine, he can easily get control of the
rest.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
A standard account (as advised several times in this NG) will not give
an invader much control.
 
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Art Todesco

[snip]
Unfortunately, I've done that to no avail. I still want to try and put
same user/password on each machine, as suggested in other threads. This
should not be rocket science. I hate MS and Windows. It seems every
time they come out with a new version, it changes everything. Dumb.
Putting the same user/password on every machine is dumb, too. If
someone gets control of one machine, he can easily get control of the
rest.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
A standard account (as advised several times in this NG) will not give
an invader much control.
True, but at this point, I'll try anything. I even tried temporarily
turning off the Firewall completely. I figured that if this 'fixes' the
problem, I can then go from there to fix it in a more robust manner.
However, even shutting off the Windows Firewall completely still does
not allow other computers in my network to see the new computer's disk.
 
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Gene Wirchenko

[snip]
Unfortunately, I've done that to no avail. I still want to try and put
same user/password on each machine, as suggested in other threads. This
should not be rocket science. I hate MS and Windows. It seems every
time they come out with a new version, it changes everything. Dumb.
Putting the same user/password on every machine is dumb, too. If
someone gets control of one machine, he can easily get control of the
rest.
A standard account (as advised several times in this NG) will not give
an invader much control.
Why even let him in? If he knows of a way to elevate his
credentials, you have made it much easier for him.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
 
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Ken1943

[snip]

Unfortunately, I've done that to no avail. I still want to try and put
same user/password on each machine, as suggested in other threads. This
should not be rocket science. I hate MS and Windows. It seems every
time they come out with a new version, it changes everything. Dumb.

Putting the same user/password on every machine is dumb, too. If
someone gets control of one machine, he can easily get control of the
rest.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
A standard account (as advised several times in this NG) will not give
an invader much control.
True, but at this point, I'll try anything. I even tried temporarily
turning off the Firewall completely. I figured that if this 'fixes' the
problem, I can then go from there to fix it in a more robust manner.
However, even shutting off the Windows Firewall completely still does
not allow other computers in my network to see the new computer's disk.
In network & sharing look at the HomeGroup, on the right, setting, if you
are using a work group, it should say READY TO CREATE. I had this happen
to me once where a Homegroup was still active.


KenW
 
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Gene E. Bloch

[snip]

Unfortunately, I've done that to no avail. I still want to try and put
same user/password on each machine, as suggested in other threads. This
should not be rocket science. I hate MS and Windows. It seems every
time they come out with a new version, it changes everything. Dumb.

Putting the same user/password on every machine is dumb, too. If
someone gets control of one machine, he can easily get control of the
rest.
A standard account (as advised several times in this NG) will not give
an invader much control.
Why even let him in? If he knows of a way to elevate his
credentials, you have made it much easier for him.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
Let's face it, this invader you have invented has gotten into one of the
computers without being let in.

And if he can get in to the first one so easily, he will have little
trouble invading the others, password or not. Besides, when he invades a
computer, he isn't bothering with passwords anyway, unless he does it by
social engineering, thereby obviating the effects of any security
precautions.
 
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Char Jackson

Gene E. Bloch
Great. Do you see why I had to ask? You forgot to quote anything so
your post had no context, and therefore made no sense.
 
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Ken1943

Great. Do you see why I had to ask? You forgot to quote anything so
your post had no context, and therefore made no sense.
Typical senior moment which is getting harder to stop. LOL


KenW
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Typical senior moment which is getting harder to stop. LOL

KenW
I thought you meant me, but then, I had a vested interest in thinking
that :)

Char's comment is just, but it looks like you think so too, so all is
well in Usenetville.
 
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Ken1943

I thought you meant me, but then, I had a vested interest in thinking
that :)

Char's comment is just, but it looks like you think so too, so all is
well in Usenetville.
LOL. I try to only post about something I know about ??? But my post
showed up under yours so thought no harm. May be it has something to do
with newsreaders. I would rather top post, but I know the wrath of the
gods would be app on me.


KenW
 
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Art Todesco

[snip]

Unfortunately, I've done that to no avail. I still want to try and put
same user/password on each machine, as suggested in other threads.
This
should not be rocket science. I hate MS and Windows. It seems every
time they come out with a new version, it changes everything. Dumb.

Putting the same user/password on every machine is dumb, too. If
someone gets control of one machine, he can easily get control of the
rest.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko
A standard account (as advised several times in this NG) will not give
an invader much control.
True, but at this point, I'll try anything. I even tried temporarily
turning off the Firewall completely. I figured that if this 'fixes' the
problem, I can then go from there to fix it in a more robust manner.
However, even shutting off the Windows Firewall completely still does
not allow other computers in my network to see the new computer's disk.
After trying many things, I came upon some advice in another thread.
Here's the few lines from 'apuzzler' that fixed the problem.
I spent weeks tearing my hair out over this problem. Our network has a
combination of both XP & Win 7 machines. For your XP machines to see
the Win 7 machines you will have to do the following:

On the Win 7 Machines right click on My Computer and then right click on
the Hard disks you want to share. You will see a box with several tabs.
The two you will need to mess with are Security & Sharing. In
Security you will have to click on the Edit button and add "Everyone"
and then make sure "Everyone" has Full Control, and all the boxes
checked in the box below. In Sharing choose Advanced Sharing, then
Permissions. The only group or names listed in that box should be
"Everyone" (Use the Remove button to rid of any other names or group in
that box and then make sure that Full Control, Change, and Read are all
checked. You will have to go back and forth between the Security and
Sharing a few times to get this straightened out because if it isn't
done in the correct order (and I still haven't figured that out yet) it
won't let you finish. I know that at least once during the process you
will have to go back to the Security tab and remove that line "deny" for
everyone--for some reason that always comes up during this sharing
process and has to be removed (but there will be a line that for
Everyone that allows, so leave it.)

I don't know why you set sharing and then you have to set it again in
another place in a different way. I'm sure someone will say, "oh ya,
that." Actually, I've been communicating with my son on this, and when
I told him, he said something similar, like 'oh, ya, I forgot that one.'
MS keeps redesigning the wheel and adding layers upon layers to do the
same thing ......... Maybe it's just an over 65 thing.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

MS keeps redesigning the wheel and adding layers upon layers to do the
same thing ......... Maybe it's just an over 65 thing.
Nah, Microsoft is only 37 years old.
 

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