Networking Win 7 Starter with Vista Ultimate


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Ken Springer

This is driving me up the wall! Thankfully, it's a short wall. LOL

I've done some searching on this, and haven't found anything relating
specifically to Win7 Starter. All the articles have the same
recommendations, and so far nothing has been 100% successful.

Win7 Starter is on a Gateway Netbook, fully updated.

Vista Ultimate is a dual boot machine with XP Pro. XP was the first OS
installed. Both OSes (sp?) fully updated.

All I'm going for is simple file and printer sharing, nothing exotic.
Well, maybe not technically exotic. Eventually, I want file and printer
sharing across all my computers. That will be adding a dual boot
Win7/Win8 desktop and this Mac.

No passwords are required to login to any computer, I'm the only user.
To the best of my knowledge, my cats are computer illiterate, so they
are not to blame. LOL

The Win7/XP side is working fine. I can move my files all directions
with no problems.

The Win7/Vista has a problem I've not found the answer to. Win7 has no
problems accessing Vista, but no matter what I do, I can't get Vista to
stop asking me for a username and password to Win7. The error code says
the account I'm logging in with does not have permission to access Win7.

In Starter, I've gone in to Safe Mode and gave everyone all possible
permissions except the production of fusion energy.

I'm missing something simple, and it's eluding me.

Suggestions?

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...winston

"Ken Springer" wrote in message All I'm going for is simple file and printer sharing, nothing exotic.
Well, maybe not technically exotic. Eventually, I want file and printer
sharing across all my computers.

No passwords are required to login to any computer, I'm the only user.
To the best of my knowledge, my cats are computer illiterate, so they
are not to blame. LOL

The Win7/Vista has a problem I've not found the answer to. Win7 has no
problems accessing Vista, but no matter what I do, I can't get Vista to
stop asking me for a username and password to Win7.
What you can try...
1. Ensure all machines are in the same Workgroup
2. Same Username Windows logon profile on each machine
3. File and Printer Sharing enabled on each machine
4. Password protected sharing disabled on each machine
5. Password for the same username account on each machine
 
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Ken Springer

"Ken Springer" wrote in message
All I'm going for is simple file and printer sharing, nothing exotic.
Well, maybe not technically exotic. Eventually, I want file and printer
sharing across all my computers.

No passwords are required to login to any computer, I'm the only user.
To the best of my knowledge, my cats are computer illiterate, so they
are not to blame. LOL

The Win7/Vista has a problem I've not found the answer to. Win7 has no
problems accessing Vista, but no matter what I do, I can't get Vista to
stop asking me for a username and password to Win7.

What you can try...
1. Ensure all machines are in the same Workgroup
Yep. Wouldn't work at all if it wasn't. said:
2. Same Username Windows logon profile on each machine
What's the complete contents of this profile? If the actual file is
identical in Vista and & Starter, seems logical I could copy from one to
the other.
3. File and Printer Sharing enabled on each machine
Yep

4. Password protected sharing disabled on each machine
Yep

5. Password for the same username account on each machine
No passwords anywhere on my computers, as I'm the only user. I don't
want to have to have one, either.

On the Vista machine, everything I want to access on the netbook shows
up in the network display, I just get an error code, 0x80070005, which
is generally about spelling, username, etc. All of which I've double
and triple checked, including the network path.

Based on the articles I've perused, none of which have helped, I'm
beginning to get the feeling that the issue is in the registry. I found
one MS article on this error, but it applied to XP.


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Gene E. Bloch

What's the complete contents of this profile? If the actual file is
identical in Vista and & Starter, seems logical I could copy from one to
the other.
It does seem logical, but this *is * Windows...

At least be sure to back up the original.

Confession: I can be paranoid :)
No passwords anywhere on my computers, as I'm the only user. I don't
want to have to have one, either.
Then you might have problem with networking.

Windows likes to have the same account name with the same password on
each networked machine. It doesn't have to be your normal account, just
a dummy account set up on each machine. At least, that has worked well
for me.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Then you might have problem with networking.

Windows likes to have the same account name with the same password on
each networked machine. It doesn't have to be your normal account, just
a dummy account set up on each machine. At least, that has worked well
for me.
And that dummy account worked fine as a Standard User; it didn't need to
bea user with Administrator privileges.

(BTW, my first quoted sentence above needs an 'a' in front of
'problem'.)
 
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Ken Springer

It does seem logical, but this *is * Windows...
IMO, you can apply this to any of the OSes.
At least be sure to back up the original.

Confession: I can be paranoid :)


Then you might have problem with networking.

Windows likes to have the same account name with the same password on
each networked machine. It doesn't have to be your normal account, just
a dummy account set up on each machine. At least, that has worked well
for me.
I sure hope I don't need a friggin' password. That would rather ruin my
day.


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Gene E. Bloch

IMO, you can apply this to any of the OSes.


I sure hope I don't need a friggin' password. That would rather ruin my
day.
You remind me of the woman giving a listener commentary on a local FM
station arguing against a new area code overlay because it would be
"dreadful" (her word) to have to dial 10 or 11 digits to make a local
call :)

Also note that I mentioned dummy accounts...

*You* don't need the password.

That said, currently the main user accounts here have these properties:

1. They have passwords

2. The same accounts are duplicated on the other machines as Standard
users, thereby serving as the requisite dummies..

3. The main user doesn't need to type a password on his machine because
the accounts in question are configured to allow log on without
requiring typing the password.

3. Those accounts satisfy Windows re: networking, since they have
passwords.
 
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Ken Springer

You remind me of the woman giving a listener commentary on a local FM
station arguing against a new area code overlay because it would be
"dreadful" (her word) to have to dial 10 or 11 digits to make a local
call :)

Also note that I mentioned dummy accounts...

*You* don't need the password.

That said, currently the main user accounts here have these properties:

1. They have passwords

2. The same accounts are duplicated on the other machines as Standard
users, thereby serving as the requisite dummies..

3. The main user doesn't need to type a password on his machine because
the accounts in question are configured to allow log on without
requiring typing the password.

3. Those accounts satisfy Windows re: networking, since they have
passwords.
I never thought about creating a dummy account just so something
matched. Have to work the next few days, I'll try it on my days off.

I wonder if simply enabling the guest account w/ password would work.
Did you ever try that? Assuming the guest account can have a password.



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Gene E. Bloch

I never thought about creating a dummy account just so something
matched. Have to work the next few days, I'll try it on my days off.

I wonder if simply enabling the guest account w/ password would work.
Did you ever try that? Assuming the guest account can have a password.
I didn't try that. It seems not the best thing to do, but maybe I'm just
prejudiced in an odd way...And the other schemes worked fine.
 
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Ken Springer

I didn't try that. It seems not the best thing to do, but maybe I'm just
prejudiced in an odd way...And the other schemes worked fine.
Shucks. Enabling the Guest account didn't work, and I'd forgotten it
didn't require a password.

I'll try the other schemes after the next work days.



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Char Jackson

IMO, you can apply this to any of the OSes.


I sure hope I don't need a friggin' password. That would rather ruin my
day.
Besides what Gene said, I don't know what the big deal is. Even if you put a
password on your everyday account, you only have to enter it once. Configure
the computer to auto-login and it'll never ask again.

One or two minutes of 'work' and you'll never know the difference after
that.
 
K

Ken Springer

Besides what Gene said, I don't know what the big deal is. Even if you put a
password on your everyday account, you only have to enter it once. Configure
the computer to auto-login and it'll never ask again.

One or two minutes of 'work' and you'll never know the difference after
that.
I hate it when work gets in the way of a good conversation! LOL

You're right, it's not much work, but it's the idea that with the power
of today's hardware and software, you have to do such a mundane task to
get things to work.


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Ken Springer

That said, currently the main user accounts here have these properties:

1. They have passwords

2. The same accounts are duplicated on the other machines as Standard
users, thereby serving as the requisite dummies..

3. The main user doesn't need to type a password on his machine because
the accounts in question are configured to allow log on without
requiring typing the password.

3. Those accounts satisfy Windows re: networking, since they have
passwords.
Finally, joy in Mudville. But it was not easy.

Condensed version...

Followed your instructions, still did not work. I began to think it
might be something unique to Win7 Starter. Somewhere along the line,
while in both normal and Safe Mode, I began experimenting with User
Account adjustments. At one point I changed the admin account I'd
created from the original name to the same name as is on the Vista computer.

Then, nothing worked. I couldn't log in via normal or Safe Modes.

Trying every permutation of account names I could remember, and
passwords I'd used, I finally got in via the original account name, but
with the password I'd created after renaming the account. Originally,
the account didn't have a password. Haven't been that happy in weeks!
LOL

Promptly went to User Accounts, created 2 new admin accounts, no
passwords required. Deleted the original admin account, the one I'd
changed the name of. Created another new admin account, with the
correct name and password to match the Vista machine. Mind you, the new
name and password for the original admin account matched the Vista machine.

And now it works.

My conclusion is, something in the original account's files on the hard
drive was munged in some way. How or why, I don't know.

I've got to reinstall the minimal software I had installed, configure
Classic Shell, activate auto logon however that's done in Win7, and I
should be good to go. Just double checked, and Vista can still access
the netbook, so all is well at this point.

Now to go back and get the XP to Win 7 Starter back up and running. <G>

Thanks for the pointers.



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