Cloaking WiFi connection

Discussion in 'alt.windows7.general' started by cameo, Mar 3, 2013.

  1. cameo

    cameo Guest

    For Macs there is a supposedly pretty good and easy-to-use cloaking
    program to make public WiFi connection secure. Is there anything like
    that for Windows PCs?
     
    cameo, Mar 3, 2013
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  2. cameo

    Ghostrider Guest

    On 3/3/2013 12:14 AM, cameo wrote:
    > For Macs there is a supposedly pretty good and easy-to-use cloaking
    > program to make public WiFi connection secure. Is there anything like
    > that for Windows PCs?


    Use a VPN connection.

    GR
     
    Ghostrider, Mar 3, 2013
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  3. cameo

    Paul Guest

    cameo wrote:
    > For Macs there is a supposedly pretty good and easy-to-use cloaking
    > program to make public WiFi connection secure. Is there anything like
    > that for Windows PCs?


    https://www.getcloak.com/

    "... personal VPN..."

    It's a Virtual Private Network.

    That's the term you'd search for, not for "cloak".

    *******

    Apparently, Windows 7 has a VPN server built-in. I think
    that would allow the following.

    http://www.ehow.com/how_7418436_turn-home-desktop-vpn-server.html

    You could do something like this. This uses your own equipment,
    but requires an ISP that doesn't complain about how you use
    their service.

    Internet
    |
    | Unencrypted
    |
    | Encrypted
    | +----------------------+
    | | |
    CameoHome Public Wifi
    Windows 7 |
    | | Cameo Remote running
    +----+ VPN client
    "HairPin
    Turn"

    (via Windows7
    normal routing)

    You would leave your home PC running. The home PC would have a
    regular connection to the Internet, without encryption.

    However, logically (rather than physically), while you're
    sitting in the public wifi spot, you use your VPN Client,
    to contact the IP address of your home PC. Your home router
    has a hole punched in it (port forwarding), to allow the VPN connection.
    Some routers have a passthru function specifically for VPNs. Inside
    your PC, the Windows VPN server software, decrypts the packets,
    then routes the resulting packet. If the packet is destined
    for the Internet (not directed to your home subnet), then
    the Windows internal routing software will send the packet
    towards the Internet.

    Now, a problem with this concept, is if you use your home
    computer and Internet connection, the Internet connection
    is "asymmetric". The connection from CameoHome to Cameo Remote
    will be slow, because as far as the home PC is concerned,
    it's "uploading". On my system here, the available
    bandwidth in that direction, is about as fast as writing
    to a floppy drive. Useless. I would be sitting at the
    public Wifi, with secure access, but slow access to the
    Internet.

    And technically speaking, you are "running a server" on your
    home networking setup, in violation of the Terms Of Service
    of your ISP (for cheap home Internet packages). Since my
    ISP uses a deep packet inspection box, any policy
    violations can be detected in the blink of an eye.
    It depends on your ISP, and what it says in the TOS,
    as to whether you're allowed to run that way or not.

    If you use a commercial VPN service for the left hand
    side of the diagram, their networking setup will be
    symmetric, supporting good bandwidth in all directions.
    If you use a commercial VPN, there is no connection
    at all, running to your home PC. And no TOS to worry about.
    There would be a monthly fee, to use the commercial VPN.

    Note that, VPN link encryption, can affect things like
    Windows shares. When I used a VPN hardware box at work
    (our own corporate VPN server), I could copy files to
    the work server at a blistering 4KB/sec. What seemed to
    be happening, is the encrypted VPN packet encapsulation, caused
    packets to be fragmented, and without the seeming benefit
    of protocol pipelining. That meant a 100 millisecond delay,
    for each protocol exchange. No pipelined acks seemed to be
    present, for whatever reason. So depending on the dynamics,
    using a VPN can be pure misery. The funny thing was, some
    protocols (like XWindows protocol was the main thing I was
    doing), ran at more normal rates. It was just the Windows
    shares that were slow as molasses. Broadband Internet
    with dialup performance.

    Whoever provides the VPN server end of the above
    picture (on the left), must be trustworthy. As they have
    access to the unencrypted stream. You would assume your
    own home PC running Windows 7 would be trustworthy, and it
    is, until it gets hacked from outside. Then, it's no longer
    trustworthy. Any time you do Port Forwarding on your
    home router, there is a risk associated with doing so.

    Paul
     
    Paul, Mar 3, 2013
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  4. cameo wrote:
    > For Macs there is a supposedly pretty good and easy-to-use cloaking
    > program to make public WiFi connection secure. Is there anything like
    > that for Windows PCs?


    By its very nature, Public wifi means Public wifi and open to all
    regardless of computer maker.
    However, you can make a secure connection through a public wifi
    using your own vpn or sslvpn.

    A router can hide it's ssid but that is not a fuction of the o/s.
     
    Paul in Houston TX, Mar 3, 2013
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  5. cameo

    Yousuf Khan Guest

    On 03/03/2013 3:55 AM, Paul wrote:
    > cameo wrote:
    >> For Macs there is a supposedly pretty good and easy-to-use cloaking
    >> program to make public WiFi connection secure. Is there anything like
    >> that for Windows PCs?

    >
    > https://www.getcloak.com/
    >
    > "... personal VPN..."
    >
    > It's a Virtual Private Network.
    >
    > That's the term you'd search for, not for "cloak".
    >
    > *******
    >
    > Apparently, Windows 7 has a VPN server built-in. I think
    > that would allow the following.
    >
    > http://www.ehow.com/how_7418436_turn-home-desktop-vpn-server.html
    >
    > You could do something like this. This uses your own equipment,
    > but requires an ISP that doesn't complain about how you use
    > their service.


    Outstanding info, didn't know this was already built into Windows 7.

    Yousuf Khan
     
    Yousuf Khan, Mar 3, 2013
    #5
  6. cameo

    Paul Guest

    Yousuf Khan wrote:
    > On 03/03/2013 3:55 AM, Paul wrote:
    >> cameo wrote:
    >>> For Macs there is a supposedly pretty good and easy-to-use cloaking
    >>> program to make public WiFi connection secure. Is there anything like
    >>> that for Windows PCs?

    >>
    >> https://www.getcloak.com/
    >>
    >> "... personal VPN..."
    >>
    >> It's a Virtual Private Network.
    >>
    >> That's the term you'd search for, not for "cloak".
    >>
    >> *******
    >>
    >> Apparently, Windows 7 has a VPN server built-in. I think
    >> that would allow the following.
    >>
    >> http://www.ehow.com/how_7418436_turn-home-desktop-vpn-server.html
    >>
    >> You could do something like this. This uses your own equipment,
    >> but requires an ISP that doesn't complain about how you use
    >> their service.

    >
    > Outstanding info, didn't know this was already built into Windows 7.
    >
    > Yousuf Khan


    Yes, but at this point in time, I don't know how easy to use it is.

    You might end up with "hair loss" from attempting to use it :)

    Paul
     
    Paul, Mar 3, 2013
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  7. cameo

    tb Guest

    On 3/3/2013 at 2:14:43 AM cameo wrote:

    > For Macs there is a supposedly pretty good and easy-to-use cloaking
    > program to make public WiFi connection secure. Is there anything like
    > that for Windows PCs?


    Sorry to be such an ignorant, but how does one set up a VPN connection?
    Do I have to leave my router at home on so that I can connect to it?

    --
    tb
     
    tb, Mar 4, 2013
    #7
  8. tb wrote:
    > On 3/3/2013 at 2:14:43 AM cameo wrote:
    >
    >> For Macs there is a supposedly pretty good and easy-to-use cloaking
    >> program to make public WiFi connection secure. Is there anything like
    >> that for Windows PCs?

    >
    > Sorry to be such an ignorant, but how does one set up a VPN connection?
    > Do I have to leave my router at home on so that I can connect to it?
    >

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/210562/how_set_up_vpn_in_windows_7.html
     
    Paul in Houston TX, Mar 4, 2013
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  9. cameo

    cameo Guest

    On 3/3/2013 12:55 AM, Paul wrote:
    > cameo wrote:
    >> For Macs there is a supposedly pretty good and easy-to-use cloaking
    >> program to make public WiFi connection secure. Is there anything like
    >> that for Windows PCs?

    >
    > https://www.getcloak.com/
    >
    > "... personal VPN..."
    >
    > It's a Virtual Private Network.
    >
    > That's the term you'd search for, not for "cloak".
    >
    > *******
    >
    > Apparently, Windows 7 has a VPN server built-in. I think
    > that would allow the following.
    >
    > http://www.ehow.com/how_7418436_turn-home-desktop-vpn-server.html
    >
    > You could do something like this. This uses your own equipment,
    > but requires an ISP that doesn't complain about how you use
    > their service.
    >
    > Internet
    > |
    > | Unencrypted
    > |
    > | Encrypted
    > | +----------------------+
    > | | |
    > CameoHome Public Wifi
    > Windows 7 |
    > | | Cameo Remote running
    > +----+ VPN client
    > "HairPin
    > Turn"
    >
    > (via Windows7
    > normal routing)
    >
    > You would leave your home PC running. The home PC would have a
    > regular connection to the Internet, without encryption.


    Except I wouldn't think of leaving my PC on when I am not home. That's
    one reason I use Internet cameras with their own built in server that I
    can access remotely without having my PC on.
     
    cameo, Mar 4, 2013
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  10. cameo

    cameo Guest

    On 3/3/2013 3:06 PM, Paul wrote:
    > Yes, but at this point in time, I don't know how easy to use it is.
    >
    > You might end up with "hair loss" from attempting to use it :)


    That's what my feeling is, too. My understanding of that Getcloak
    software was that it really simplified it for Macs.
     
    cameo, Mar 4, 2013
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  11. cameo

    cameo Guest

    On 3/3/2013 1:24 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
    > By its very nature, Public wifi means Public wifi and open to all
    > regardless of computer maker.
    > However, you can make a secure connection through a public wifi
    > using your own vpn or sslvpn.


    Yes, but vpn presumes cooperating processes on both ends of a
    connection, right? But public access WiFi might not have that.
     
    cameo, Mar 4, 2013
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  12. cameo

    Ghostrider Guest

    On 3/4/2013 12:50 AM, cameo wrote:
    > On 3/3/2013 1:24 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
    >> By its very nature, Public wifi means Public wifi and open to all
    >> regardless of computer maker.
    >> However, you can make a secure connection through a public wifi
    >> using your own vpn or sslvpn.

    >
    > Yes, but vpn presumes cooperating processes on both ends of a
    > connection, right? But public access WiFi might not have that.
    >


    "Public access" means gaining access to the Internet through a
    gateway that is openly available. The VPN client is an application
    that is installed in the remote computer that is connecting to the
    VPN server via the means of "public access". Security is achieved
    by encryption keyed to the VPN connection between the client and
    host systems. The "public system" is just a means of conveyance
    for the encrypted packets between them.

    GR
     
    Ghostrider, Mar 4, 2013
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  13. cameo

    cameo Guest

    On 3/4/2013 2:08 AM, Ghostrider <00> wrote:
    >
    > "Public access" means gaining access to the Internet through a
    > gateway that is openly available. The VPN client is an application
    > that is installed in the remote computer that is connecting to the
    > VPN server via the means of "public access". Security is achieved
    > by encryption keyed to the VPN connection between the client and
    > host systems. The "public system" is just a means of conveyance
    > for the encrypted packets between them.


    OK, but until the VPN connection is established, transmission between a
    laptop and --say -- a pub's open WiFi is in clear, right? That's when
    the vulnerability exists, no?
     
    cameo, Mar 4, 2013
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  14. cameo

    Yousuf Khan Guest

    On 03/03/2013 6:06 PM, Paul wrote:
    > Yes, but at this point in time, I don't know how easy to use it is.
    >
    > You might end up with "hair loss" from attempting to use it :)


    Already lost it all! ;)

    But yeah, I followed the instructions, and was able to setup the VPN
    server. I then followed the instructions to create a tunnel for it
    through the router. But now how do I setup a client to access this
    server? Yeesh, not as easy as it sounded.

    Yousuf Khan
     
    Yousuf Khan, Mar 4, 2013
    #14
  15. On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 15:10:00 -0500, Yousuf Khan wrote:

    > On 03/03/2013 6:06 PM, Paul wrote:
    >> Yes, but at this point in time, I don't know how easy to use it is.
    >>
    >> You might end up with "hair loss" from attempting to use it :)

    >
    > Already lost it all! ;)
    >
    > But yeah, I followed the instructions, and was able to setup the VPN
    > server. I then followed the instructions to create a tunnel for it
    > through the router. But now how do I setup a client to access this
    > server? Yeesh, not as easy as it sounded.
    >
    > Yousuf Khan


    Maybe the second problem will make your hair grow back?

    Other than that I can offer nothing (I've never tried VPNs).

    --
    Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
     
    Gene E. Bloch, Mar 4, 2013
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  16. cameo

    Ghostrider Guest

    On 3/4/2013 11:23 AM, cameo wrote:
    > On 3/4/2013 2:08 AM, Ghostrider <00> wrote:
    >>
    >> "Public access" means gaining access to the Internet through a
    >> gateway that is openly available. The VPN client is an application
    >> that is installed in the remote computer that is connecting to the
    >> VPN server via the means of "public access". Security is achieved
    >> by encryption keyed to the VPN connection between the client and
    >> host systems. The "public system" is just a means of conveyance
    >> for the encrypted packets between them.

    >
    > OK, but until the VPN connection is established, transmission between a
    > laptop and --say -- a pub's open WiFi is in clear, right? That's when
    > the vulnerability exists, no?
    >


    The packet should have already been encrypted by the VPN client
    before leaving the laptop. My laptops are set up with Cisco VPN
    clients to connect with a Cisco SSLVPN server.

    GR
     
    Ghostrider, Mar 4, 2013
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  17. cameo

    Paul Guest

    Yousuf Khan wrote:
    > On 03/03/2013 6:06 PM, Paul wrote:
    >> Yes, but at this point in time, I don't know how easy to use it is.
    >>
    >> You might end up with "hair loss" from attempting to use it :)

    >
    > Already lost it all! ;)
    >
    > But yeah, I followed the instructions, and was able to setup the VPN
    > server. I then followed the instructions to create a tunnel for it
    > through the router. But now how do I setup a client to access this
    > server? Yeesh, not as easy as it sounded.
    >
    > Yousuf Khan


    I see a recipe here.

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/210562/how_set_up_vpn_in_windows_7.html

    "Step by Step: Connecting to a VPN (Outgoing)

    Step 1 Click the Start button.
    In the search bar, type VPN and then select
    Set up a virtual private network (VPN) connection.

    Step 2 Enter the IP address or domain name of the server to which you
    want to connect.

    Step 3 If you want to set up the connection,
    but not connect, select Don't connect now;
    otherwise, leave it blank and click Next.

    Step 4 On this next screen, you can either put in your
    username and password, or leave it blank. You'll be prompted
    for it again on the actual connection. Click Connect.

    Step 5 To connect, click on the Windows network logo on the lower-right
    part of your screen; then select Connect under VPN Connection.

    Step 6 In the Connect VPN Connection box, enter the appropriate domain
    and your log-in credentials; then click Connect.

    Step 7 If you can't connect, the problem could be due to the server
    configuration. Check with your network administrator to see what
    kind of VPN is in use--such as PPTP--then, on the Connect VPN Connection
    screen, select Properties.

    Step 8 Navigate to the Security tab and select the specific Type of VPN
    from the drop-down list. You may also have to
    unselect Include Windows logon domain under the Options tab.
    Then click OK and Connect."

    That sounds pretty simple :)

    Step 9 After you've finished all the clicking and typing,
    you may take a coffee break. Good thing you're in a
    Starbucks.

    HTH,
    Paul
     
    Paul, Mar 4, 2013
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  18. cameo wrote:
    > On 3/3/2013 1:24 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
    >> By its very nature, Public wifi means Public wifi and open to all
    >> regardless of computer maker.
    >> However, you can make a secure connection through a public wifi
    >> using your own vpn or sslvpn.

    >
    > Yes, but vpn presumes cooperating processes on both ends of a
    > connection, right? But public access WiFi might not have that.


    True. Public wifi is open and public. Packets are observable.
    A secure connection can be made through a public connection but
    requires code / decode on both ends.
     
    Paul in Houston TX, Mar 5, 2013
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  19. cameo

    cameo Guest

    On 3/4/2013 5:55 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
    > cameo wrote:
    >> On 3/3/2013 1:24 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
    >>> By its very nature, Public wifi means Public wifi and open to all
    >>> regardless of computer maker.
    >>> However, you can make a secure connection through a public wifi
    >>> using your own vpn or sslvpn.

    >>
    >> Yes, but vpn presumes cooperating processes on both ends of a
    >> connection, right? But public access WiFi might not have that.

    >
    > True. Public wifi is open and public. Packets are observable.
    > A secure connection can be made through a public connection but
    > requires code / decode on both ends.


    Why even bother with that when https is much simpler and probably just
    as secure??
     
    cameo, Mar 5, 2013
    #19
  20. cameo

    Paul Guest

    cameo wrote:
    > On 3/4/2013 5:55 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
    >> cameo wrote:
    >>> On 3/3/2013 1:24 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
    >>>> By its very nature, Public wifi means Public wifi and open to all
    >>>> regardless of computer maker.
    >>>> However, you can make a secure connection through a public wifi
    >>>> using your own vpn or sslvpn.
    >>>
    >>> Yes, but vpn presumes cooperating processes on both ends of a
    >>> connection, right? But public access WiFi might not have that.

    >>
    >> True. Public wifi is open and public. Packets are observable.
    >> A secure connection can be made through a public connection but
    >> requires code / decode on both ends.

    >
    > Why even bother with that when https is much simpler and probably just
    > as secure??


    Because, if you use VPN, every usage of the link is secured.

    You can use Telnet or FTP with plaintext password, and the overall
    VPN encryption, prevents it from being seen. It allows a mixture
    of secured and unsecured protocols to be used, inside the same "pipe".

    Paul
     
    Paul, Mar 5, 2013
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