Audio Tone Control


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OldGuy

Does Win 7 Pro have audio tone control? I searched thru the Win 7
menus etc.

I am running my laptop HDMI out through a Lenovo Monitor that has an
audio output to my speakers. Monitor on laptop is off so only the
Lenovo monitor is on.

The Lenovo shows up in the Win 7 audio controls and I get stereo sound
out of the speakers plugged into the Lenovo but the tone is off for me.
I want more treble or less bass.

Can this be done?



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pjp

Does Win 7 Pro have audio tone control? I searched thru the Win 7
menus etc.

I am running my laptop HDMI out through a Lenovo Monitor that has an
audio output to my speakers. Monitor on laptop is off so only the
Lenovo monitor is on.

The Lenovo shows up in the Win 7 audio controls and I get stereo sound
out of the speakers plugged into the Lenovo but the tone is off for me.
I want more treble or less bass.

Can this be done?



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Look in whatever software you use to play the music. Haven't seen
Bass/Treble controls within the sound card driver for some time now,
e.g. old Sound Blaster cards used to provide it.

I use an old version of WinAmp (2.4) to play music and avoid the bloat
of later versions. It provides a 12 band eq. works well enough.
 
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...winston

"OldGuy" wrote in message
Does Win 7 Pro have audio tone control? I searched thru the
Win 7 menus etc.
Audio tone control is not a Windows o/s provided feature.
- if available such features/configuration would be provided by the sound
card (add-on or on-board) manufacturer
 
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Paul

OldGuy said:
Does Win 7 Pro have audio tone control? I searched thru the Win 7 menus
etc.

I am running my laptop HDMI out through a Lenovo Monitor that has an
audio output to my speakers. Monitor on laptop is off so only the
Lenovo monitor is on.

The Lenovo shows up in the Win 7 audio controls and I get stereo sound
out of the speakers plugged into the Lenovo but the tone is off for me.
I want more treble or less bass.

Can this be done?
Tone control happen three ways:

1) Some sound cards, had bass and treble controls in hardware.
This was probably some kind of analog scheme, as it predates
the usage of DSP. DSP (digital techniques) came later.

In some cases, the interface controls had a position for
the knobs or sliders, but they were greyed out. And that
told you, that the hardware didn't have the effects present.
I don't think any of my crap cards, had this working. My
sliders were always "stuck".

http://i46.tinypic.com/etip8i.jpg

They just don't do that any more. It's "EQ or nothing" now.

2) Modern AC97 or HDAudio, don't normally have such things.
Instead, the audio drivers have DSP filters which give a
graphic equalizer interface. In some cases, this remains
hidden, until you turn it on in the prefs. My current
machine, looks similar to this one (my EQ is turned off
right now, don't need it). With my previous stereo, I used
this approach a bit, for better ambience. But that stereo
blew, and the current solution needs no EQ.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d186/jennymanda/soundmax.jpg

We'll pretend that used 100 to 200MHz of your CPU (i.e. a
little bit of overhead). The CPU executes digital signal
processing code, that processes the sound bytes headed for
the stream interface on the hardware. So the digital samples
are filtered, as you desire, before they get to the hardware.
And the driver does that. In a way, virtually any sound card
company could do that for you. Or, you could search for a
third party package to do it. (Don't know of any off hand.)
The function is not so special, that the techniques aren't
well known. Don't know what the patents are like though.

Any calculation of that type, adds "latency" to the audio
path. I don't know what that number is. But it could
affect lip sync, or game effects.

3) At least one motherboard, the Southbridge had five DSP engines.
And at least one of those, supported the graphic equalizer
function. That means, you get the interface in (2), but with
no load on the main CPU at all. The Southbridge did all the
calculations. I have one of those :) It could also do AC3
encoding on the fly (which I couldn't use).

So start looking for that "EQ stuff". Try under your sofa cushions...

4) They also makes chips for this. Crude example here.
This could be the basis for a home project, with some soldering
required :) This would be the approach some of the first EQ
implementations would use. It's pure analog, and is like a
deluxe version of (1). For the squiggly potentiometer symbols
along the bottom of the diagram, you buy the slider variety.
My sample slider, costs $0.73 each. So five bands times stereo,
would cost $7.30 for the sliders.

http://www.electronic-circuits-diagrams.com/audioimages/12.gif

http://www.bourns.com/data/global/pdfs/PTA.pdf

HTH,
Paul
 
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Ed Cryer

OldGuy said:
Does Win 7 Pro have audio tone control? I searched thru the Win 7 menus
etc.

I am running my laptop HDMI out through a Lenovo Monitor that has an
audio output to my speakers. Monitor on laptop is off so only the
Lenovo monitor is on.

The Lenovo shows up in the Win 7 audio controls and I get stereo sound
out of the speakers plugged into the Lenovo but the tone is off for me.
I want more treble or less bass.

Can this be done?
Windows Media Player has a fairly good graphic equaliser. There are lots
of presets such as "rock", "speech" and "default", but I've created a
good customised one that I use.

The good thing about it is that you can test it in situ, switching from
one to another while playing a piece, or doing your own customising.

Ed
 
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OldGuy

Using the laptop HDMI output to the monitor then audio out from monitor
to speakers is a nogo so far. I cannot find anything to allow tone
control.

If I plug speakers into the laptop headphone jack I can use the RealTek
HD Audio Manager to set the bass and treble. Unfortunately this will
require buying an audio extension cord.


In my case I am trying to play sounds from a web page.

Can I use Media Play to play web page sounds? Then use MP to adjust
tone? Will see if I can figure that out.



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OldGuy

OldGuy wrote on 8/5/2013 :
Using the laptop HDMI output to the monitor then audio out from monitor to
speakers is a nogo so far. I cannot find anything to allow tone control.

If I plug speakers into the laptop headphone jack I can use the RealTek HD
Audio Manager to set the bass and treble. Unfortunately this will require
buying an audio extension cord.


In my case I am trying to play sounds from a web page.

Can I use Media Play to play web page sounds? Then use MP to adjust tone?
Will see if I can figure that out.



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What do you all think of RealPlayer (free).
How about WinAmp.

For tone control and website audio player?

Go to http://simplynoise.com/
I would like to play that with tone control and possible record for my
own personal use. I just now see that I can download for a minimum
payment. But I do not have a paypal account. Can I set up a paypal
account using a credit card? last I looked it required link to a bank
account. No way for that way. Sorry for OT but getting tired and
trying to figure stuff out.



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Gene E. Bloch

OldGuy wrote on 8/5/2013 :

What do you all think of RealPlayer (free).
How about WinAmp.

For tone control and website audio player?

Go to http://simplynoise.com/
I would like to play that with tone control and possible record for my
own personal use. I just now see that I can download for a minimum
payment. But I do not have a paypal account. Can I set up a paypal
account using a credit card? last I looked it required link to a bank
account. No way for that way. Sorry for OT but getting tired and
trying to figure stuff out.

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PayPal in the USA is happy with a credit card. You must have last looked
a long time ago :)

I stopped using RealPlayer years ago - it was too intrusive for my
taste. I wasn't unique in that respect.
 
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Nil

PayPal in the USA is happy with a credit card. You must have last
looked a long time ago :)
I'm not sure that that's true. You used to be able to open a Paypal
account that was only linked to your credit card, but I think that they
later changed the rules. I've had mine a very long time, and it's only
linked to a credit card, but more recently I tried to help someone open
a new account but they bailed on the process when it insisted on a bank
account and there seemed to be no alternative.

If I'm wrong, someone please correct me.
 
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Ed Cryer

Gene said:
PayPal in the USA is happy with a credit card. You must have last looked
a long time ago :)

I stopped using RealPlayer years ago - it was too intrusive for my
taste. I wasn't unique in that respect.
Many did the same, including me (I included ??). It became one of the
most bloated of bloat-ware. I started using Real Alternative. But then
podcasting came into fashion, giving you a full MP3 download to play
locally, rather than streaming.

Ed
 
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Ed Cryer

OldGuy said:
Using the laptop HDMI output to the monitor then audio out from monitor
to speakers is a nogo so far. I cannot find anything to allow tone
control.

If I plug speakers into the laptop headphone jack I can use the RealTek
HD Audio Manager to set the bass and treble. Unfortunately this will
require buying an audio extension cord.


In my case I am trying to play sounds from a web page.

Can I use Media Play to play web page sounds? Then use MP to adjust
tone? Will see if I can figure that out.
Do you use Firefox?
This might be worth a try;
http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/play-windows-media-files-in-firefox

Ed
 
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jbm

Does Win 7 Pro have audio tone control? I searched thru the Win 7 menus
etc.

I am running my laptop HDMI out through a Lenovo Monitor that has an
audio output to my speakers. Monitor on laptop is off so only the
Lenovo monitor is on.

The Lenovo shows up in the Win 7 audio controls and I get stereo sound
out of the speakers plugged into the Lenovo but the tone is off for me.
I want more treble or less bass.

Can this be done?



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Lap top and monitor speakers are generally crap to say the least.

What you need to do is to get into the "Speakers Properties" dialogue.
If there is a volume control on the task bar, right click and choose
Playback Devices. Otherwise from Control Panel select Sound, and under
the Playback tab highlight Speakers and click Properties. Under
Enhancements, make sure Environment and Equaliser are checked. Now comes
the tricky part. Highlighting each of those in turn give you a selection
of choices for the quality of sound you get through the speakers.

To give you a start on these, I use Living Room under Environment, and
Club under Equaliser. Gives a nice rich full tone without too much base.
It's really down to personal preference. Oh and make sure the Immediate
Mode is checked while you experiment.

jim
 
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Gene E. Bloch

I'm not sure that that's true. You used to be able to open a Paypal
account that was only linked to your credit card, but I think that they
later changed the rules. I've had mine a very long time, and it's only
linked to a credit card, but more recently I tried to help someone open
a new account but they bailed on the process when it insisted on a bank
account and there seemed to be no alternative.

If I'm wrong, someone please correct me.
OK, maybe I leapt to a wrong conclusion.

My PayPal is happy to let my account exist with a credit card only, but
perhaps I've been grandfathered in.

But are we talking abut the same thing? It suddenly occurs to me that
there are merchant accounts and customer accounts. I'm a customer, not a
merchant. Perhaps that's where the confusion lies.
 
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Nil

OK, maybe I leapt to a wrong conclusion.

My PayPal is happy to let my account exist with a credit card
only, but perhaps I've been grandfathered in.

But are we talking abut the same thing? It suddenly occurs to me
that there are merchant accounts and customer accounts. I'm a
customer, not a merchant. Perhaps that's where the confusion lies.
Yes, we are talking about the same thing. I've sold a few things on
eBay, but I'm mostly a buyer. I believe that the terms of your and my
accounts are grandfathered in from Ye Olden Days and that they've
changed since.

If I'm correct, I'm glad I got in at the right time. I absolutely would
not give Paypal permission to deduct funds directly from my bank
account. I've had mostly good experiences with eBay, but I there's one
particular horror story that would have cost me several hundred dollars
had I not had my credit card protection behind me, and it made me
totally distrust eBay/Paypal "support".
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Yes, we are talking about the same thing. I've sold a few things on
eBay, but I'm mostly a buyer. I believe that the terms of your and my
accounts are grandfathered in from Ye Olden Days and that they've
changed since.
I looked at my PayPal account and learned that the account category is
'personal', not 'customer'. Anyway, in my profile there *is* a link
where I can click to add my bank account...
If I'm correct, I'm glad I got in at the right time. I absolutely would
not give Paypal permission to deduct funds directly from my bank
account. I've had mostly good experiences with eBay, but I there's one
particular horror story that would have cost me several hundred dollars
had I not had my credit card protection behind me, and it made me
totally distrust eBay/Paypal "support".
Even without that experience, I have no problem agreeing with you...
 

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