WLM 2011

[Char Jackson]

But at least my kill filters make this an alias and frank free experience.

Lee, it's confusing when you sign your post with Crash's name.

 

[Char Jackson]

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message


That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS
updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (>), so when you get
multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who
posted what!

--

Jeff


Hi Jeff:

AFAICT, your above reply is not marked off with the character '>'. This, to
all intents and purposes, breaks the thread. While WLM 2011 works with HTML
posting, I am doing this in plain text. The news server I am using accepts
only plain text posts and replies, so the news reader must be able to handle
working in plain text. AFAICT, plain text replies are broken in WLM 2011 so
far to date. 'Using the latest version I could get my hands on: Version 2011
(Build 15.4.3502.0922).

Thanks,
LS

Wow, your newsreader (Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922) is
seriously broken. Adding the > character to the quoted material when
you reply is the job of your client. It's not the job of the person
before you to whom you're replying.

Also, please don't try to separate your new text from the old text
with a "dash dash space" combination. That sequence of characters is
reserved for delimiting the signature. When a working newsreader
encounters that, it knows that everything after it can safely be
trimmed. In your case, it would have trimmed your entire reply.

And lastly, fortunately for the rest of us, you're using a server that
only accepts plain text posts or we would surely be graced by HTML
from you. Please don't use HTML on Usenet.

 

[Lemon Saucy]

Wow, your newsreader (Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922) is
seriously broken. Adding the> character to the quoted material when
you reply is the job of your client. It's not the job of the person
before you to whom you're replying.

Also, please don't try to separate your new text from the old text
with a "dash dash space" combination. That sequence of characters is
reserved for delimiting the signature. When a working newsreader
encounters that, it knows that everything after it can safely be
trimmed. In your case, it would have trimmed your entire reply.

And lastly, fortunately for the rest of us, you're using a server that
only accepts plain text posts or we would surely be graced by HTML
from you. Please don't use HTML on Usenet.

Agreed with you on the HTML / plain text. Plain text is both sufficient
and appropriate for posting and replying to usenet.

LS

 

[Lemon Saucy]

in message


That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS
updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (>), so when you get
multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who
posted what!

[Hi Jeff:

AFAICT, your above reply is not marked off with the character '>'. This,
to all intents and purposes, breaks the thread. While WLM 2011 works
with HTML posting, I am doing this in plain text. The news server I am
using accepts only plain text posts and replies, so the news reader must
be able to handle working in plain text. AFAICT, plain text replies are
broken in WLM 2011 so far to date. 'Using the latest version I could get
my hands on: Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922).

Thanks,
LS]

I'm not sure what's going on with your WLM 15.4.3502.922. Your reply to
my mail is in pale grey as I read it in Thunderbird and didn't show at
all in this reply (I copied and pasted the above text between the [ ] so
you could see it. If you look at the posts before your reply, you will
see that they are all indented with >>>, >>, and > from my last post. I
always try to post (and read) in plain text.

If you look at the the reply from Dave "Crash" Dummy to my reply to the
Original Post from Lee Waun yesterday, what do you see? Are there any >?

The dashes set the second part off as a signature i.e. grayed when
viewed in Thunderbird. WLM 2011 added that when I hit the reply to group
button. It did not add the '>' character though (and therefore is
useless as a plain text newsreader program until they fix it).

LS

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

in message
On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote:

Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix
the plain text reply posting which is broken.

What's broken? It works fine here.

That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS
updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (>), so when you get
multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who
posted what!

[Hi Jeff:

AFAICT, your above reply is not marked off with the character '>'. This,
to all intents and purposes, breaks the thread. While WLM 2011 works
with HTML posting, I am doing this in plain text. The news server I am
using accepts only plain text posts and replies, so the news reader must
be able to handle working in plain text. AFAICT, plain text replies are
broken in WLM 2011 so far to date. 'Using the latest version I could get
my hands on: Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922).

Thanks,
LS]

I'm not sure what's going on with your WLM 15.4.3502.922. Your reply to
my mail is in pale grey as I read it in Thunderbird and didn't show at
all in this reply (I copied and pasted the above text between the [ ] so
you could see it. If you look at the posts before your reply, you will
see that they are all indented with >>>, >>, and > from my last post. I
always try to post (and read) in plain text.

If you look at the the reply from Dave "Crash" Dummy to my reply to the
Original Post from Lee Waun yesterday, what do you see? Are there any >?

The dashes set the second part off as a signature i.e. grayed when
viewed in Thunderbird. WLM 2011 added that when I hit the reply to group
button. It did not add the '>' character though (and therefore is
useless as a plain text newsreader program until they fix it).

LS

My newsreader, 40tude Dialog, also greys out the signature, thus kind of
obscuring the reply by news.aioe.org.

It seems lots of people like to add there comments after the signature
delimiter. I tend to ignore them.

I wonder - is there a setting somewhere in WLM to change the quote
delimiter character? Maybe it has the wrong default but can be altered.

Yes - in my version (Version 2009) under Options - Send - Plain Text
Settings there's a checkbox.

 

[Art [artfudd] Folden]

“Have you tried moving OE6 to your W-7 PC? It would have to go into the (x86) folder."

That will not work. OE will not work on Windows 7. However, Windows Mail from Vista can work if you
copy it into W7... search for instructions if needed.

Art [artfudd] Folden
I'm a PC and Windows 7 sux less!
): !tol a xus llits liaMLW tub..
----------------------------------------------

Me three. What I really wanted was OE6, but the closest proximity I
could find is TB 2. It has the added advantage of being available in a
portable version.

I find myself sticking to older versions with a lot of programs.

From what I see a lot of the changes in W-7 were not for the better. Now MS
doesn't even give us an email/Usenet client. WLM is installed by HP before
they sell their PCs. Have you tried moving OE6 to your W-7 PC? It would
have to go into the (x86) folder.

 

[Lemon Saucy]

On 19/10/2010 15:24, news.aioe.org wrote:
in message
On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote:

Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix
the plain text reply posting which is broken.

What's broken? It works fine here.

That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS
updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (>), so when you get
multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who
posted what!


[Hi Jeff:

AFAICT, your above reply is not marked off with the character '>'. This,
to all intents and purposes, breaks the thread. While WLM 2011 works
with HTML posting, I am doing this in plain text. The news server I am
using accepts only plain text posts and replies, so the news reader must
be able to handle working in plain text. AFAICT, plain text replies are
broken in WLM 2011 so far to date. 'Using the latest version I could get
my hands on: Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922).

Thanks,
LS]

I'm not sure what's going on with your WLM 15.4.3502.922. Your reply to
my mail is in pale grey as I read it in Thunderbird and didn't show at
all in this reply (I copied and pasted the above text between the [ ] so
you could see it. If you look at the posts before your reply, you will
see that they are all indented with>>>,>>, and> from my last post. I
always try to post (and read) in plain text.

If you look at the the reply from Dave "Crash" Dummy to my reply to the
Original Post from Lee Waun yesterday, what do you see? Are there any>?

The dashes set the second part off as a signature i.e. grayed when
viewed in Thunderbird. WLM 2011 added that when I hit the reply to group
button. It did not add the '>' character though (and therefore is
useless as a plain text newsreader program until they fix it).

LS

My newsreader, 40tude Dialog, also greys out the signature, thus kind of
obscuring the reply by news.aioe.org.

It seems lots of people like to add there comments after the signature
delimiter. I tend to ignore them.

I wonder - is there a setting somewhere in WLM to change the quote
delimiter character? Maybe it has the wrong default but can be altered.

Yes - in my version (Version 2009) under Options - Send - Plain Text
Settings there's a checkbox.

It's not the signature, though. It was WLM 2011 messing up the reply. It
is broken.

Now as to your question is there an option to change the dahses to
something else? Not that I can tell - you will have to contact
Microsoft, I guess. If you do, while you are at it, please ask them to
fix plain text posting in WLM 2011. Then I can use it again.

Thanks
LS

 

[relic]

On 19/10/2010 15:24, news.aioe.org wrote:
in message
On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote:

Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix
the plain text reply posting which is broken.

What's broken? It works fine here.

That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS
updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (>), so when you get
multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who
posted what!


[Hi Jeff:

AFAICT, your above reply is not marked off with the character '>'. This,
to all intents and purposes, breaks the thread. While WLM 2011 works
with HTML posting, I am doing this in plain text. The news server I am
using accepts only plain text posts and replies, so the news reader must
be able to handle working in plain text. AFAICT, plain text replies are
broken in WLM 2011 so far to date. 'Using the latest version I could get
my hands on: Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922).

Thanks,
LS]

I'm not sure what's going on with your WLM 15.4.3502.922. Your reply to
my mail is in pale grey as I read it in Thunderbird and didn't show at
all in this reply (I copied and pasted the above text between the [ ] so
you could see it. If you look at the posts before your reply, you will
see that they are all indented with >>>, >>, and > from my last post. I
always try to post (and read) in plain text.

If you look at the the reply from Dave "Crash" Dummy to my reply to the
Original Post from Lee Waun yesterday, what do you see? Are there any >?

The dashes set the second part off as a signature i.e. grayed when
viewed in Thunderbird. WLM 2011 added that when I hit the reply to group
button. It did not add the '>' character though (and therefore is
useless as a plain text newsreader program until they fix it).

LS

My newsreader, 40tude Dialog, also greys out the signature, thus kind of
obscuring the reply by news.aioe.org.

It seems lots of people like to add there comments after the signature
delimiter. I tend to ignore them.

I wonder - is there a setting somewhere in WLM to change the quote
delimiter character? Maybe it has the wrong default but can be altered.

Yes - in my version (Version 2009) under Options - Send - Plain Text
Settings there's a checkbox.

Any good newsreader deletes everything below the '-- ' delimiter when you
Reply.

 

[relic]

Wow, your newsreader (Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3502.922) is
seriously broken. Adding the > character to the quoted material when
you reply is the job of your client. It's not the job of the person
before you to whom you're replying.

Also, please don't try to separate your new text from the old text
with a "dash dash space" combination. That sequence of characters is
reserved for delimiting the signature. When a working newsreader
encounters that, it knows that everything after it can safely be
trimmed. In your case, it would have trimmed your entire reply.

If you'd check back in the thread, that was Jeff's sig that added it, not
"news.aioe.org". His newsreader just didn't delete it.

 

[Lemon Saucy]

If you'd check back in the thread, that was Jeff's sig that added it,
not "news.aioe.org". His newsreader just didn't delete it.

But WLM 2011 turned the whole reply itself into a 'sig' and it showed up
grayed in Thunderbird. It comes from the fact that newgroup replying is
broken in WLM 2011. The '>' is not appropriately added and the replies
are then are misread by the newsreaders.

LS

 

[relic]

But WLM 2011 turned the whole reply itself into a 'sig' and it showed up
grayed in Thunderbird. It comes from the fact that newgroup replying is
broken in WLM 2011. The '>' is not appropriately added and the replies are
then are misread by the newsreaders.

LS

WLM doesn't handle delimiters correctly (Grayed out is good while viewing,
not removing everything after it in the Reply is wrong). Neither did OE, but
with that you could install OE-Quotefix.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

On 19/10/2010 1:39 PM, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 19/10/2010 15:24, news.aioe.org wrote:
in message
On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote:

Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix
the plain text reply posting which is broken.

What's broken? It works fine here.

That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS
updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (>), so when you get
multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who
posted what!


[Hi Jeff:

AFAICT, your above reply is not marked off with the character '>'. This,
to all intents and purposes, breaks the thread. While WLM 2011 works
with HTML posting, I am doing this in plain text. The news server I am
using accepts only plain text posts and replies, so the news reader must
be able to handle working in plain text. AFAICT, plain text replies are
broken in WLM 2011 so far to date. 'Using the latest version I could get
my hands on: Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922).

Thanks,
LS]

I'm not sure what's going on with your WLM 15.4.3502.922. Your reply to
my mail is in pale grey as I read it in Thunderbird and didn't show at
all in this reply (I copied and pasted the above text between the [ ] so
you could see it. If you look at the posts before your reply, you will
see that they are all indented with >>>, >>, and > from my last post. I
always try to post (and read) in plain text.

If you look at the the reply from Dave "Crash" Dummy to my reply to the
Original Post from Lee Waun yesterday, what do you see? Are there any >?


The dashes set the second part off as a signature i.e. grayed when
viewed in Thunderbird. WLM 2011 added that when I hit the reply to group
button. It did not add the '>' character though (and therefore is
useless as a plain text newsreader program until they fix it).

LS

My newsreader, 40tude Dialog, also greys out the signature, thus kind of
obscuring the reply by news.aioe.org.

It seems lots of people like to add there comments after the signature
delimiter. I tend to ignore them.

I wonder - is there a setting somewhere in WLM to change the quote
delimiter character? Maybe it has the wrong default but can be altered.

Yes - in my version (Version 2009) under Options - Send - Plain Text
Settings there's a checkbox.

Any good newsreader deletes everything below the '-- ' delimiter when you
Reply.

Yes, I meant to imply that Dialog is a good newsreader...Glad you got
that

But this was not when I was replying, it was when I was viewing the post
from news.aioe.org, and everything below the sig delimiter was greyed
out because that's how Dialog treats a sig. As it should...

The problem is the people who add their replies below the sig delimiter,
as I tried to say in my post. Here's what I said above:
"My newsreader, 40tude Dialog, also greys out the signature, thus kind
of obscuring the reply by news.aioe.org".

 

[Roy Smith]

Maybe MS will smarten up and add WM to W-7 in the future.

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen....


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Professional
Thunderbird 3.1.5
Tuesday, October 19, 2010 6:59:18 PM

 

[Roy Smith]

“Have you tried moving OE6 to your W-7 PC? It would have to go into the
(x86) folder."

That will not work. OE will not work on Windows 7. However, Windows Mail
from Vista can work if you copy it into W7... search for instructions if
needed.

You can use OE6 in Win7 but you have to be using Win7 Pro or higher and
have XP mode installed. But then who would want to use a program that's
outdated and full of security flaws?


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Professional
Thunderbird 3.1.5
Tuesday, October 19, 2010 7:03:03 PM

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

On 19/10/2010 1:39 PM, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 19/10/2010 15:24, news.aioe.org wrote:
in message
On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote:

Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix
the plain text reply posting which is broken.

What's broken? It works fine here.

That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS
updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (>), so when you get
multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who
posted what!


[Hi Jeff:

AFAICT, your above reply is not marked off with the character '>'. This,
to all intents and purposes, breaks the thread. While WLM 2011 works
with HTML posting, I am doing this in plain text. The news server I am
using accepts only plain text posts and replies, so the news reader must
be able to handle working in plain text. AFAICT, plain text replies are
broken in WLM 2011 so far to date. 'Using the latest version I could get
my hands on: Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922).

Thanks,
LS]

I'm not sure what's going on with your WLM 15.4.3502.922. Your reply to
my mail is in pale grey as I read it in Thunderbird and didn't show at
all in this reply (I copied and pasted the above text between the [ ] so
you could see it. If you look at the posts before your reply, you will
see that they are all indented with>>>,>>, and> from my last post. I
always try to post (and read) in plain text.

If you look at the the reply from Dave "Crash" Dummy to my reply to the
Original Post from Lee Waun yesterday, what do you see? Are there any>?


The dashes set the second part off as a signature i.e. grayed when
viewed in Thunderbird. WLM 2011 added that when I hit the reply to group
button. It did not add the '>' character though (and therefore is
useless as a plain text newsreader program until they fix it).

LS

My newsreader, 40tude Dialog, also greys out the signature, thus kind of
obscuring the reply by news.aioe.org.

It seems lots of people like to add there comments after the signature
delimiter. I tend to ignore them.

I wonder - is there a setting somewhere in WLM to change the quote
delimiter character? Maybe it has the wrong default but can be altered.

Yes - in my version (Version 2009) under Options - Send - Plain Text
Settings there's a checkbox.

It's not the signature, though. It was WLM 2011 messing up the reply. It
is broken.

Now as to your question is there an option to change the dahses to
something else? Not that I can tell - you will have to contact
Microsoft, I guess. If you do, while you are at it, please ask them to
fix plain text posting in WLM 2011. Then I can use it again.

Thanks
LS

You pretty much misread my post.

I said the signature messed up someone's reply by letting it be grayed
out, since that reply was incorrectly placed after the sig, and I talked
about changing the quote character, not the sig delimiter.

The sig delimiter is a Usenet and e-mail standard...

 

[Lemon Saucy]

WLM doesn't handle delimiters correctly (Grayed out is good while
viewing, not removing everything after it in the Reply is wrong).
Neither did OE, but with that you could install OE-Quotefix.

No. I plan to continue with Thunderbird until WLM 2011 is fixed. When
they fix it I plan to switch back. I've used OE for many years etc. etc.
and was quite content, but I'm not going to use something that is
outright broken i.e. WLM 2011. So I will just wait.

Thanks
LS

 

[LS]

On Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:53:36 -0400, Lemon Saucy wrote:

On 19/10/2010 1:39 PM, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 19/10/2010 15:24, news.aioe.org wrote:
in message
On 19/10/2010 02:17, Jack wrote:

Don't use it for newsgroups until they (the people at Microsoft) fix
the plain text reply posting which is broken.

What's broken? It works fine here.

That's because you're using an old version (14.0.8089.726). When MS
updated that they screwed up the reply delimiter (>), so when you get
multiple replies in a newsgroup posting it is impossible to tell who
posted what!


[Hi Jeff:
< chop >

is broken.

Now as to your question is there an option to change the dahses to
something else? Not that I can tell - you will have to contact
Microsoft, I guess. If you do, while you are at it, please ask them to
fix plain text posting in WLM 2011. Then I can use it again.

Thanks
LS

You pretty much misread my post.

I said the signature messed up someone's reply by letting it be grayed
out, since that reply was incorrectly placed after the sig, and I talked
about changing the quote character, not the sig delimiter.

The sig delimiter is a Usenet and e-mail standard...

There used to be in OE - you could choose between '>' and the pipe '|',
but, AFAIK, later versions e.g. WM and WLM didn't include the option to
change the quote character.

 

[Jeff Layman]

On 19/10/2010 4:29 PM, relic wrote: (snip)

No. I plan to continue with Thunderbird until WLM 2011 is fixed. When
they fix it I plan to switch back. I've used OE for many years etc. etc.
and was quite content, but I'm not going to use something that is
outright broken i.e. WLM 2011. So I will just wait.

Be ready for a long wait. Microsoft won't fix it.

I see that MS have just notified a "Recommended" Windows Update for
Windows Essentials. Only 160Mb...

 

[relic]

No. I plan to continue with Thunderbird until WLM 2011 is fixed. When they
fix it I plan to switch back. I've used OE for many years etc. etc. and
was quite content, but I'm not going to use something that is outright
broken i.e. WLM 2011. So I will just wait.

WLM 14.0 works like you want it to (it's the version I use). It's available
here:
http://software.informer.com/getfree-old-version-windows-live-mail/

 

[Miles]

* Lee Waun wrote, On 18-Oct-10 03:54:

I downloaded the new WLM 2011 and found I hated it. I really liked the
older 2009 version and I just could not uninstall the newer 2011 version
so I downloaded Thunderbird and I'll it as it is more like the older
outlook express that I did like years ago.

I've been using Thunderbird almost since the beginning of time (Before
TB it was Netscape). Tried outlook and outlook express a couple of
time and quickly gave them up. TB does allow multitudes of addresses,
such as I have a few from ATT plus a few from Google and all in one
user account. The greatest thing about it is the multitudes of
extensions to incorporate allowing the user to customize. Of course,
there are many many more great features!
Miles