Windows Live Mail Essentials 2011


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Emrys Davies

I have Windows Live Mail basic version installed and that suits me fine.
Now I am prompted to update with Windows Live Mail Essentials 2011. Would
that simply update what I already have or would it create add-ons which I do
not want? As I said, I am happy with what I have at the moment.
 
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relic

Emrys Davies said:
I have Windows Live Mail basic version installed and that suits me fine.
Now I am prompted to update with Windows Live Mail Essentials 2011. Would
that simply update what I already have or would it create add-ons which I
do not want? As I said, I am happy with what I have at the moment.
See the thread "WLM 2011" before you update. It has problems in it.
 
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Emrys Davies

relic said:
See the thread "WLM 2011" before you update. It has problems in it.
I am trying to establish what WLM 2011 is all about. Will it interfere, add
or alter what I have at the moment.
 
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Emrys Davies

Emrys Davies said:
I am trying to establish what WLM 2011 is all about. Will it interfere,
add or alter what I have at the moment.

Thanks relic, have read the WLM 2011 thread and I think that I will leave
well alone. Maybe Alias and LS could help me a little here. For instance,
does the update allow me to stick to what I have already installed (basic
WLM) rather than have the whole Live Essential package? If it does, is
there any real improvement?
 
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Jeff Layman

I am trying to establish what WLM 2011 is all about. Will it interfere,
add or alter what I have at the moment.
You are using version 14.0.8089.726 at present. If you "upgrade" to the
latest version, at the very least when you reply to a message you will
lose the ">" which indented the lines in the original message's text.
In effect, you (and anyone else who reads your reply) will find it
difficult to understand who wrote what, and who replied to what. This
is compounded when additional replies are made using WLM 2011.
 
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Emrys Davies

Jeff Layman said:
You are using version 14.0.8089.726 at present. If you "upgrade" to the
latest version, at the very least when you reply to a message you will
lose the ">" which indented the lines in the original message's text. In
effect, you (and anyone else who reads your reply) will find it difficult
to understand who wrote what, and who replied to what. This is compounded
when additional replies are made using WLM 2011.
Alias and Jeff, really good advice and I will leave well alone until things
improve as I am quite happy at the moment. Thanks a lot.
 
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skeeter

You are using version 14.0.8089.726 at present. If you "upgrade" to the
latest version, at the very least when you reply to a message you will
lose the ">" which indented the lines in the original message's text.
In effect, you (and anyone else who reads your reply) will find it
difficult to understand who wrote what, and who replied to what. This
is compounded when additional replies are made using WLM 2011.
and that's the reason i won't use wlm 2011. just that small bit of
programming that they completely chose to ignore. what a shame as i really
liked it other wise.
 
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Valorie *~

Emrys Davies said:
I have Windows Live Mail basic version installed and that suits me fine.
Now I am prompted to update with Windows Live Mail Essentials 2011. Would
that simply update what I already have or would it create add-ons which I
do not want? As I said, I am happy with what I have at the moment.
Then don't switch. Or if you do and don't like it, you can always get rid
of WLM. With all the NSPs and email addresses on this PC, WLM was the pits.
I'm back to WM (snookered from my Vista PC).

I wasn't interested in all the other bells and whistles with WLM.
 
D

Dave \Crash\ Dummy

skeeter said:
and that's the reason i won't use wlm 2011. just that small bit of
programming that they completely chose to ignore. what a shame as i
really liked it other wise.
The question is whether that is just a glitch that will be fixed or an
indication of how NNTP will be treated by MS.
 
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R. C. White

?Hi, Emrys.

Windows Live Essentials are a matched set of apps. You can't use
WLMessenger 2009 with WLMail 2011, for example. So, if you have enough disk
space, you might as well download all the Essentials, even if you don't plan
to install or use some of them just yet. Yes, they do tend to install more
than we really need. At first (a couple of Waves ago) I wanted only WLMail,
but gradually started using WLPhoto Gallery and even WLMovie Maker a couple
of times.
I am trying to establish what WLM 2011 is all about. Will it interfere,
add or alter what I have at the moment.
All of the above. :^{ Wave 4 (builds 15.x and later of each app) of
Windows Live adopts the Ribbon UI, as seen first (as I recall) in Office
2007. It takes some getting used to, but I kind of like it after using it
for a few months.

WLM 2011, like most any new version, has trade-offs. They have been
discussed at length in this newsgroup and in
microsoft.windows.live.mail.desktop, which is also available on Usenet, even
after Microsoft closed their public news server this Summer. (The "desktop"
was dropped from the name of the program over 4 years ago, but lives on in
the name of the newsgroup.)

Briefly, some features that I like and dislike about WLM 2011 are:
Likes:
The Ribbon, now that I've discovered the QAT (Quick Access Toolbar) and
customized it to fit ME.
Sigs - WLM 2009 limited me to one, but 2009 lets me choose from a
half-dozen - but see Dislikes.

Dislikes:
Sigs - I can't properly format plain-text Sigs. Maybe it's just me, but
I can't get the initial line-feed to work right, so I have to go back and
edit out the first one - or add a second one after the "-- " - or both.
Quotes - When I quoted the text of your message, I had to go back and
add the "> " to show which lines were quotes.
Intrusion - Every few minutes, the "progress window" (I don't know what
else to call it) pops up in my face, no matter what I'm doing at the time.
And it STEALS FOCUS! (That's a problem that got corrected back in OE, after
years of complaints from MVPs and other users.) That is, if I'm typing this
message when it pops up, my next keystroke goes to that progress window, not
here into my draft. :>( The timing of the pop-up is hard-coded into WLM
2011 and we have no control over it. The timing is variable, but generally
every 10 minutes or so, no matter what I've set in Tools | Options |
General. This is clearly a regression from WLM 2009, but the WLTeam seems
deaf to our screams. :>(

One other that applies only to those of us who are testing the IE9 beta:
That "?" that gets inserted before the first character of every plain-text
email and news post. :>(

There are others, both likes and dislikes, but these are what come to my
mind just now. All in all, though, my recommendation would be to keep
moving forward, not backward. Move up to WLE 2011 now. But the choice, as
always, is YOURS.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-9/30/10)
Windows Live Mail Version 2011 (Build 15.4.3502.0922) in Win7 Ultimate x64
SP1 beta


"Emrys Davies" wrote in message
relic said:
See the thread "WLM 2011" before you update. It has problems in it.
I am trying to establish what WLM 2011 is all about. Will it interfere, add
or alter what I have at the moment.
 
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LThomas

Keep away from WLM2011 - in my opinion it's a disaster.
This version is the worst Beta ever Microsoft released.
There is also problem with Uninstall procedure.
Stay with WM .

Jdr
 
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Jeff Layman

?Hi, Emrys.

Windows Live Essentials are a matched set of apps. You can't use
WLMessenger 2009 with WLMail 2011, for example. So, if you have enough
disk space, you might as well download all the Essentials, even if you
don't plan to install or use some of them just yet. Yes, they do tend to
install more than we really need. At first (a couple of Waves ago) I
wanted only WLMail, but gradually started using WLPhoto Gallery and even
WLMovie Maker a couple of times.


All of the above. :^{ Wave 4 (builds 15.x and later of each app) of
Windows Live adopts the Ribbon UI, as seen first (as I recall) in Office
2007. It takes some getting used to, but I kind of like it after using
it for a few months.

WLM 2011, like most any new version, has trade-offs. They have been
discussed at length in this newsgroup and in
microsoft.windows.live.mail.desktop, which is also available on Usenet,
even after Microsoft closed their public news server this Summer. (The
"desktop" was dropped from the name of the program over 4 years ago, but
lives on in the name of the newsgroup.)

Briefly, some features that I like and dislike about WLM 2011 are:
Likes:
The Ribbon, now that I've discovered the QAT (Quick Access Toolbar) and
customized it to fit ME.
Sigs - WLM 2009 limited me to one, but 2009 lets me choose from a
half-dozen - but see Dislikes.

Dislikes:
Sigs - I can't properly format plain-text Sigs. Maybe it's just me, but
I can't get the initial line-feed to work right, so I have to go back
and edit out the first one - or add a second one after the "-- " - or both.
Quotes - When I quoted the text of your message, I had to go back and
add the "> " to show which lines were quotes.
Intrusion - Every few minutes, the "progress window" (I don't know what
else to call it) pops up in my face, no matter what I'm doing at the
time. And it STEALS FOCUS! (That's a problem that got corrected back in
OE, after years of complaints from MVPs and other users.) That is, if
I'm typing this message when it pops up, my next keystroke goes to that
progress window, not here into my draft. :>( The timing of the pop-up is
hard-coded into WLM 2011 and we have no control over it. The timing is
variable, but generally every 10 minutes or so, no matter what I've set
in Tools | Options | General. This is clearly a regression from WLM
2009, but the WLTeam seems deaf to our screams. :>(

One other that applies only to those of us who are testing the IE9 beta:
That "?" that gets inserted before the first character of every
plain-text email and news post. :>(

There are others, both likes and dislikes, but these are what come to my
mind just now. All in all, though, my recommendation would be to keep
moving forward, not backward. Move up to WLE 2011 now. But the choice,
as always, is YOURS.

RC
When I got my Win7HPx64 laptop at the beginning of the year I hoped I
would be able to run OE6 on it. I soon realised that was a hopeless
cause, and would have to install WLM. I wasn't interested in all the
"Live" crap that came with it, but was stuck with it. The poor
visibility of the WLM interface was a great disappointment, but I kept
going with WLM as I was able to export my OE6 folders and import them
into WLM.

Unfortunately WLM became increasingly unreliable and would now and again
fail to post newsgroup messages, simply hanging. I wondered about
getting an update, but as soon as I read that the ">" was missing from
updates, knew I had to look elsewhere.

And, of course, Microsoft are pushing that &%*$!* Ribbon into
everything. That includes WLM and, I understand, IE9. So goodbye WLM,
goodbye IE, and goodbye Office.

Moving forwards? Nah, sideways more like...
 
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Emrys Davies

From what I read good advice and thanks.. I have WLM 2009 so I think you
are saying "Stay with that".
 
C

Clinton

I made the mistake of upgrading. What a piece of crap. I had to restore to
a previous point to get rid of it. It was a pain to do that, but worth it.
 
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KCB

?
LThomas said:
Keep away from WLM2011 - in my opinion it's a disaster.
This version is the worst Beta ever Microsoft released.
There is also problem with Uninstall procedure.
Stay with WM .

Jdr
It's not considered beta anymore, it's coming down with Windows Update,
warts and all. And then to insult me further, when I uninstalled it, it
didn't put back WLM '09. I had to find the download link on MS for it, all
the while thinking my saved messages were all gone. They were not.
 
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tincanguy

I read with increasing interest all of the pissing and moaning about
WLM2011. I have been using it since it first became available a couple of
months ago. I am not a "power" user -- I send maybe 10-15 emails a day and
receive about the same number. I don't get very excited about the lack of
carats(?) >> that many seem to be complaining about. The only problem I
have encountered is the infamous ? that precedes all the messages I send.
This is a result of using IE9 beta, as it is somehow linked to WLM2010
through some quirk of MS code. And BTW, I really like IE9 -- it is
lightning fast and I have found no major problems with it either. I do
detect a bit of ABM (anyone but MS) bias from some of the posters here but
that's nothing new.

That being said, I do miss my Outlook Express that I have used for almost 10
years.



"KCB" wrote in message
?
LThomas said:
Keep away from WLM2011 - in my opinion it's a disaster.
This version is the worst Beta ever Microsoft released.
There is also problem with Uninstall procedure.
Stay with WM .

Jdr
It's not considered beta anymore, it's coming down with Windows Update,
warts and all. And then to insult me further, when I uninstalled it, it
didn't put back WLM '09. I had to find the download link on MS for it, all
the while thinking my saved messages were all gone. They were not.
 
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Nil

I don't get very excited about the lack of carats(?) >> that many
seem to be complaining about.
I have never used any Microsoft email products regularly, but I keep
them installed in case somebody has a question about one of them. But
the ability to accurately indicate quoted material is one of the most
important functions of a mail or news agent, and if it can't do that
it's no good to me at all. Without that ability it's nearly impossible
to keep track of a continuing discussion between multiple participants.
It may not seem important to you, but it directly affects the ease and
speed of my reading and understanding news and email messages sent by
WLM users.

That MS has messed up that simple thing is disappointing. I hope they
are aware that people are upset over it and plan to release a fix very
soon.
 
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McCorkindale

This is exactly what I'm doing...

Emrys Davies said:
From what I read good advice and thanks.. I have WLM 2009 so I think you
are saying "Stay with that".
 
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John Aldred

R. C. White wrote:

[Snip]
There are others, both likes and dislikes, but these are what come to my
mind just now. All in all, though, my recommendation would be to keep
moving forward, not backward. Move up to WLE 2011 now. But the choice,
as always, is YOURS.
It didn't seem that there was much choice at the time. It was pushed out by
Windows Update.

The first I knew of it was when my wife (who is a novice learning how to use
Win 7) dragged me away from my computer at 11 pm the other night complaining
that a "security update" had been downloading for 30 minutes and didn't seem
to be making much progress. I discovered that it was a 169 MB (?) download
of WLE 2011.

By the time I got round to looking at her laptop the installation stage had
started and the progress bar was about half way, where it remained for a
further 30 minutes, apparently stuck. At this point I tried to stop the
installation process and shut down the window.

I then noticed a minimized app sitting in the taskbar, indicated by a
Windows flag. This turned out to be the installer waiting for the user to
select the components to be installed. WLM was preselected, so I let it get
on with it, knowing that my wife used WLM.

I've no idea of the pro and cons of the latest version because I have never
used WLM.

However the next day my wife was complaining about a calendar on the right
hand side that had "squashed up the message box such that some of my emails
don't display properly"

Followed by "Oh and there are a lot of different symbols in the tool bar
that I don't understand"

Having reduced the size of the fonts in general, such that the larger ones
now fit in the line length, and explored the new icons, my wife seems
moderately happy with the new version :)
 

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