Windows 7 email client

[Thip]

"Thip"

At the present time I can import my backed-up (Memory Stick) .dbx files
via OE > File > Folder > Import > Messages ect. Are you saying that I
could do the same with Windows Live Mail?

That I am. I have a slave drive in my machine that I use for backups and My
Documents, etc., but same idea.

 

[Emrys Davies]

I switched over to Windows Live Mail when OE quit working for my Hotmail
account. It's a good alternative. I first used it on XP and it intuitively
imported all my settings. When I moved to 7 Home I backed up all my
settings, imported them to the new installation, and away I went. Pretty
painless.

"Thip"

At the present time I can import my backed-up (Memory Stick) .dbx files
via OE > File > Folder > Import > Messages ect. Are you saying that I
could do the same with Windows Live Mail?

 

[Emrys Davies]

That I am. I have a slave drive in my machine that I use for backups and My
Documents, etc., but same idea.

Thanks for that. Just a point: I know that Win7 has IE8 as a
component, but does the latter contain Windows Explorer where my present
..dbx files are stored?

 

[Thip]

Thanks for that. Just a point: I know that Win7 has IE8 as a
component, but does the latter contain Windows Explorer where my present
.dbx files are stored?

No. Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer are two different animals. In
my version of 7 (Home), bringing up Windows Explorer actually brings up a
"library" containing links to Documents, Pictures, etc. Windows Live Mail
data is stored in C:\Users\{username}\AppData\ Local\Microsoft\Windows Live
Mail

 

[Emrys Davies]

No. Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer are two different animals. In
my version of 7 (Home), bringing up Windows Explorer actually brings up a
"library" containing links to Documents, Pictures, etc. Windows Live Mail
data is stored in C:\Users\{username}\AppData\ Local\Microsoft\Windows Live
Mail

Thanks for that. I can see that I have some catching up to do, but that
is because I have been sitting around from scratch with this very
reliable dan machine for nearly ten years. I am also researching tv's
because my trusted Sony Trinitron crt is also likely to wane. Busy
times, but enjoyable!!

 

[Thip]

Thanks for that. I can see that I have some catching up to do, but that
is because I have been sitting around from scratch with this very
reliable dan machine for nearly ten years. I am also researching tv's
because my trusted Sony Trinitron crt is also likely to wane. Busy
times, but enjoyable!!

We all need a good challenge periodically. Keeps us sharp, eh?

 

[R. C. White]

Hi, Emrys.

I know that Win7 has IE8 as a
component, but does the latter contain Windows Explorer where my present
.dbx files are stored?

First, as Thip said, Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer are entirely
separate. IE is the Internet browser. WE "explores" your own hard disk -
just as the File Manager did in early Windows versions - and as Dir did in
the original MS-DOS (and still does in a Command Prompt window).

That means that your .dbx files - and other files - are not "stored in"
Windows Explorer. WE is simply the tool we use to see which files are
stored on our hard drive, and which volume ("drive") and folder they are
stored in. WE is probably the most-basic and most-used of all the Windows
tools,

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64

 

[Jeff Gaines]

WE is probably the most-basic and most-used of all the Windows tools,

I'd like to take issue with you on that

The number of times I have been asked to help people and when I say 'OK,
let's start Explorer' I get either a totally blank look or they start IE
is countless.
Some people are aware of it in a roundabout way - perhaps as 'My
Documents' but very few 'normal' users seem to be aware of it as Explorer
or Windows Explorer.
It *should* be the most-known and most-used tool, it is the window to your
data which is probably the most valuable thing on the computer.

Somehow or other many people who started to use computers after the days
of DOS seem to really struggle with the concept of how files are stored.

I occasionally help out a neighbour here. She had never heard of Explorer
so I showed her how to start it with a view to showing her what it does. I
almost fell to the floor with my head in my hands when it finally opened
at 'my documents' (it took forever). Every file she had saved was in a
directory of the same name, so 'letter to Jim.doc' was in a folder called
'letter to Jim'. As a consequence she has hundreds of directories. It
would take hours, if not days, to sort that lot into a sensible structure.

I would find life a lot easier if Explorer was the most used tool on a PC!

 

[Canuck57]

Gentlemen, how lucky I was to find this site. Windows Live Mail it will
be and from what I have just read I feel that I am already some way into
its format, although a few hours ago I had not even heard of it because
I have been so wrapped up in OE.

Canuck57: I downloaded "Thunderbird" but when I tried to set it up my
PC said "Illegal Operation" and that was it for the moment.

I am very impressed with all of your contributions and I thank you a
lot.

Regards,
Emrys Davies.

It worked for me and millions of others. But then, I used Firefox to
download it too. In fact, the first piece of SW I load is Firefox.

What drove to to Thunderbird was neccessity. For many years I used OE
on XP. OE worked OK in XP with occasional IMAP errors, with Vista it
became unworkable and doing Live crapware didn't do a thing to fix it.
In fact, I never did get the IMAP servers I use working right with Live.

Plus, I found a scenario where I could logout of a Windows PC at work,
log back in and Live junk was still authenticated! Not very good at
all. I am mobile, so IMAP is my friend. Plus being IMAP I don't have
to worry about which client I am using and MS mail upgrade issues don't
exist. Once in IMAP, I am home free for ackups, storage etc.

Any long term mail I keep, I move it to my own IMAP server where backing
it up is trivial. Plus, when changing clients, it is mighty nice to be
using IMAP as I don't have to wory about which PC the POP3 downloaded it to.

I might be an advanced user, some 3 POP and 6 IMAP acounts. But
Thunderbird handles it without errors. And news groups too!

 

[R. C. White]

Hi, Jeff.

I'd like to take issue with you on that

OK. I figured somebody would. ;^}

I almost added a line about "whether they realize it or not", since so often
we use the directory system without even knowing what is going on "under the
hood". So we are not using the actual Windows Explorer interface, but the
file system that supports it.

Your story about the "letter to Jim" folder reminds me of my first encounter
with a hard drive on a personal computer. It was on a TRS-80 Model II, back
about 1982 or so. It was a monster drive, 5 MEGAbytes! And it was about
the size of a current desktop computer tower, roughly 2 feet square and
nearly a foot tall. And NOISY and heavy! My tax client was an individual
with a dozen or so separate companies and he had hired a data processing
"expert" to design a system to manage all those bank accounts. The expert
created an accounting system that stored each month's activity for each bank
account in a separate directory. And that was using TRS-DOS, even before
MS-DOS. Just producing a DIR listing took a very long time - and a lot of
paper!

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP
Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64

 

[Guest]

Windows Live Mail Is more like OE but with some extras. Others are
Thunderbird or other Mozilla base Clients. I tried both and finished with
Live mail for my news reader as I use Outlook for Mail and Organising

I too am moving to Windows 7 and am in the same dilemma.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Windows Live Mail keeps you emails on
a Microsoft server instead of down on your own PC like outlook Express does.
Is that not so? That kind of worries me because I like my mail on my own PC
and deleted from the servers - as OE does.

Jeff

 

[Guest]

This subject has been discussed here every few days since the NG started,
so there is a lot of valuable information already posted.

That said, you cannot continue with OE. It is not compatible with Win 7,
period.

As far as Windows Mail, it is not compatible with Win 7, but Windows Live
Mail was written to be compatible with Windows 7, and is as close to OE as
you will get. If you buy a computer today it will "probably" come with WLM
pre-installed. Outlook from Office 2007 is very close to OE, but does not
have NG reader built in.

I've used Outlook for mail for years, and like it. I used OE only for
NG's. Once I was aware that OE was gone, and while I was still using XP, I
experimented with several programs for NG use. I settled on Thunderbird
from Mozilla.

You have lots of choices and my advice would be to try some out while
you're still using the old OS. Win 98 SE? Holy crap.

Thunderbird seems the leading contender for replacing OE for those of us who
want our emails kept on our own PC and not on someone else's server. It
works very like OE but I have one real annoyance with it and it concerns how
it deals with newslists (not emails).
In OE, I can click delete on NG headers or messages I do not want to see on
my OE NG window. I am aware that this does not delete those messages from
the server but it does delete them from my reading window and thus
unclutters my screen. This allows me to keep visible to me messages - both
read and unread - I want to keep there, some of which I may re-read later
and remove those I have no interest in. TB cannot do that. Wish it could.

Jeff

 

[Bruce Hagen]

I too am moving to Windows 7 and am in the same dilemma.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I think Windows Live Mail keeps you emails
on a Microsoft server instead of down on your own PC like outlook
Express does. Is that not so? That kind of worries me because I like my
mail on my own PC and deleted from the servers - as OE does.

Jeff

If you have a Pop3 account, it works just like OE. Everything is
downloaded and only kept on the server if you want it to, just like OE.
Perhaps you're thinking of a Hotmail account?

 

[Guest]

If you have a Pop3 account, it works just like OE. Everything is
downloaded and only kept on the server if you want it to, just like OE.
Perhaps you're thinking of a Hotmail account?

That is great information!

My incoming emails are POP3, my outgoing at SMTP. Does that make a
difference?

Thanks.

 

[Guest]

Not if you use POP.


If you use POP and choose not to leave a copy on the server, your mail
will only be on your PC. If you use IMAP, it will be on the server and not
on your PC. It doesn't matter which email client you use so pay attention
when you set up your accounts.

Thanks Alias. That is good to know.

Jeff

 

[Bruce Hagen]

That is great information!

My incoming emails are POP3, my outgoing at SMTP. Does that make a
difference?

Thanks.

No. That is still a Pop3 account. (Pop being the incoming side of it).

 

[johnbee]

WE is probably the most-basic and most-used of all the Windows tools

Except of course for My Computer. Which is used by most users as the
successor to File Manager. Because, I suppose, it isn't hidden away like
WE. I bet the blokes who wrote WE were furious when it was decided to
ensure it remained unused by the public and was relegated to IT pro use
only. I tried it but could not see the point, and anyway I use what the
staff use.

The person who saved files in their own directory (sorry, folder) was being
sensible. The worst aspect of Windows is the difficulty of finding files -
if the normal user saves them and does not remember the name it is gone
forever. I would love to take Bill Gates and show him the users having to
ask IT pros how to make attachments to emails.

 

[Jeff Gaines]

Except of course for My Computer. Which is used by most users as the
successor to File Manager. Because, I suppose, it isn't hidden away like
WE

I'll just add QED to that!

What do you think 'My Computer' is then?

 

[Bob]

No. Windows Explorer and Internet Explorer are two different animals. In
my version of 7 (Home), bringing up Windows Explorer actually brings up a
"library" containing links to Documents, Pictures, etc. Windows Live Mail
data is stored in C:\Users\{username}\AppData\ Local\Microsoft\Windows
Live Mail

You are correct that is where Windows Live Mail hides data... which can make
it difficult to find. A tip I was given with OE was to change the default
folder to one you can find easy...say a new folder on the desktop. You can
then include your new folder with all your .dbx files in your regular
backups!! You can find the default store folder under in
tools/options/advanced/maintenance in windows live mail

 

[Tom Lake]

Thunderbird seems the leading contender for replacing OE for those of us

who want our emails kept on our own PC and not on someone else's server.

Why? WLM keeps your emails on your PC just like any other POP email
program.

Tom Lake