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WayPoint

In message <ktnoi7$pkv$2@speranza.aioe.org>, WayPoint


What a great ISP! I didn't think there were any left like that.

(Or is it just an overall size limit, rather than a
percentage-quoted-to-new limit?)
I'm not exactly sure what the limit is.
When I try to send, it just complains about "Too Many Quoted Lines".
So I just start carefully snipping until its happy to accept. Bit
annoying sometimes - but the end result is a generally more readable
post. :)
This seems to be a limit set by the ISP rather than the News reader program.

Graham
 
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Gene E. Bloch

I'm not exactly sure what the limit is.
When I try to send, it just complains about "Too Many Quoted Lines".
So I just start carefully snipping until its happy to accept. Bit
annoying sometimes - but the end result is a generally more readable
post. :)
This seems to be a limit set by the ISP rather than the News reader program.

Graham
How would the ISP know this?
 
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Wildman

In message <ktnoi7$pkv$2@speranza.aioe.org>, WayPoint
[]
(sorry I have to cut a lot when replying - my ISP doesn't like replies
longer than x - where x is a fairly small number)

What a great ISP! I didn't think there were any left like that.

(Or is it just an overall size limit, rather than a
percentage-quoted-to-new limit?)
I'm not exactly sure what the limit is.
When I try to send, it just complains about "Too Many Quoted Lines".
So I just start carefully snipping until its happy to accept. Bit
annoying sometimes - but the end result is a generally more readable
post. :)
This seems to be a limit set by the ISP rather than the News reader program.

Graham
How would the ISP know this?
I am using Pan newsreader and it will give a warning
like this: "Warning: The message is mostly quoted text."
And it gives me the options to cancel or post anyway.
I would say that Thunderbird is doing the same thing.
 
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Robin Bignall

In message <ktnoi7$pkv$2@speranza.aioe.org>, WayPoint
[]
(sorry I have to cut a lot when replying - my ISP doesn't like replies
longer than x - where x is a fairly small number)

What a great ISP! I didn't think there were any left like that.

(Or is it just an overall size limit, rather than a
percentage-quoted-to-new limit?)
I'm not exactly sure what the limit is.
When I try to send, it just complains about "Too Many Quoted Lines".
So I just start carefully snipping until its happy to accept. Bit
annoying sometimes - but the end result is a generally more readable
post. :)
This seems to be a limit set by the ISP rather than the News reader program.

Graham
How would the ISP know this?
In AUE, the English usage group, a poster has the same problem with
aioe.org strictly limiting the material he quotes. I don't know how
either.
 
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Paul

Robin said:
On 08-August-2013 7:58 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message <ktnoi7$pkv$2@speranza.aioe.org>, WayPoint
[]
(sorry I have to cut a lot when replying - my ISP doesn't like replies
longer than x - where x is a fairly small number)
What a great ISP! I didn't think there were any left like that.

(Or is it just an overall size limit, rather than a
percentage-quoted-to-new limit?)
I'm not exactly sure what the limit is.
When I try to send, it just complains about "Too Many Quoted Lines".
So I just start carefully snipping until its happy to accept. Bit
annoying sometimes - but the end result is a generally more readable
post. :)
This seems to be a limit set by the ISP rather than the News reader program.

Graham
How would the ISP know this?
In AUE, the English usage group, a poster has the same problem with
aioe.org strictly limiting the material he quotes. I don't know how
either.
AIOE has filters on input.

It's very possible for AIOE to do it.

http://www.mixmin.net/cleanfeed/cleanfeed

"if ($lines > 0) {
# How much of the post is quoted?
"

There, the filter is computing a score, and CleanFeed checks
what you're posting. An administrator can decide to install CleanFeed
or not, and can also set up the configuration as they see fit.

And nothing stops an admin from writing their own filters.
They don't really have a choice, but to get their hands dirty.
It's the nature of the business.

The presumed purpose of a "quoted" filter, is to stop cascades.
For those groups, where cascades are a way of life. See (2).

http://catb.org/jargon/html/C/cascade.html

Paul
 
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WayPoint

I'm not exactly sure what the limit is.
When I try to send, it just complains about "Too Many Quoted Lines".
So I just start carefully snipping until its happy to accept. Bit
annoying sometimes - but the end result is a generally more readable
post. :)
This seems to be a limit set by the ISP rather than the News reader
program.

Graham
I can't see any setting in Mozilla Thunderbird that would limit the
number of quoted lines - so guess the constraint comes from the ISP end.
In my case it's aioe.org.

Graham
 
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Paul

WayPoint said:
I can't see any setting in Mozilla Thunderbird that would limit the
number of quoted lines - so guess the constraint comes from the ISP end.
In my case it's aioe.org.

Graham
The source for CleanFeed is here.
This code runs on the AIOE server, and processes your new posting attempts.

http://www.mixmin.net/cleanfeed/cleanfeed

In the stats, AIOE uses CleanFeed and NoCEM.

http://aioe.org/index.php?real-time-data

CleanFeed is configurable, so not all the filters are
necessarily turned on. It's up to the administrator.

Paul
 
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Gene E. Bloch

In message <ktnoi7$pkv$2@speranza.aioe.org>, WayPoint
[]
(sorry I have to cut a lot when replying - my ISP doesn't like replies
longer than x - where x is a fairly small number)

What a great ISP! I didn't think there were any left like that.

(Or is it just an overall size limit, rather than a
percentage-quoted-to-new limit?)
I'm not exactly sure what the limit is.
When I try to send, it just complains about "Too Many Quoted Lines".
So I just start carefully snipping until its happy to accept. Bit
annoying sometimes - but the end result is a generally more readable
post. :)
This seems to be a limit set by the ISP rather than the News reader program.

Graham
How would the ISP know this?
I have used aioe without ever seeing such a message, but not recently.
And I have seen newsreaders complain, but also not recently.

So I was doubtful aioe would be doing it, since I did not ever see them
do that. However, since I last used it there's been plenty of time for
them to change their setup.

Other responders in this thread are now making me doubt my original idea
:)
 
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Robin Bignall

Robin said:
On Thu, 08 Aug 2013 08:52:43 +1000, WayPoint wrote:

On 08-August-2013 7:58 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message <ktnoi7$pkv$2@speranza.aioe.org>, WayPoint
[]
(sorry I have to cut a lot when replying - my ISP doesn't like replies
longer than x - where x is a fairly small number)
What a great ISP! I didn't think there were any left like that.

(Or is it just an overall size limit, rather than a
percentage-quoted-to-new limit?)
I'm not exactly sure what the limit is.
When I try to send, it just complains about "Too Many Quoted Lines".
So I just start carefully snipping until its happy to accept. Bit
annoying sometimes - but the end result is a generally more readable
post. :)
This seems to be a limit set by the ISP rather than the News reader program.

Graham
How would the ISP know this?
In AUE, the English usage group, a poster has the same problem with
aioe.org strictly limiting the material he quotes. I don't know how
either.
AIOE has filters on input.

It's very possible for AIOE to do it.

http://www.mixmin.net/cleanfeed/cleanfeed

"if ($lines > 0) {
# How much of the post is quoted?
"

There, the filter is computing a score, and CleanFeed checks
what you're posting. An administrator can decide to install CleanFeed
or not, and can also set up the configuration as they see fit.

And nothing stops an admin from writing their own filters.
They don't really have a choice, but to get their hands dirty.
It's the nature of the business.

The presumed purpose of a "quoted" filter, is to stop cascades.
For those groups, where cascades are a way of life. See (2).

http://catb.org/jargon/html/C/cascade.html
Thanks, Paul. The idea of limiting quoted material seems to me like a
leftover from dial-up times.
 
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J. P. Gilliver (John)

In message <3boc095rgjq4t2ffsnhrd40mpbddavu8fa@4ax.com>, Robin Bignall
Thanks, Paul. The idea of limiting quoted material seems to me like a
leftover from dial-up times.
In the majority of cases, it shouldn't be necessary, but where you have
posters who do not snip at all, some automatic limitation would be nice!

The argument that all previous parts of a thread should be visible
"seems to me like a leftover from" the times before archives - plus, of
course, in many 'groups (certainly this one), thread wander means that
the new material only refers to the recent parts of the thread. (For
example, this thread stopped having anything to do with the title from
at least when WayPoint snipped, if not before that.)
 
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Paul

J. P. Gilliver (John) said:
The argument that all previous parts of a thread should be visible
"seems to me like a leftover from" the times before archives
There was a time, when USENET newsreader clients, didn't
have a "threaded" view. And messages arrived out of order,
making the message list a mess.

If a message had quoted content inside, that helped make
up for the un-threaded client you were using.

I remember reading some USENET, using a terminal session,
and perhaps something like RN. (I can't even find decent
pictures of some of those old relics.) Using a terminal session
(24x80 text) was so bad, frequently you'd just quit in disgust.

Later, we got tools like this one (you compiled this for yourself).
I used this for a number of years, on my Sun workstation at work.
And this still isn't threaded. But it is better than a text terminal.

http://step.polymtl.ca/~coyote/imagesd/xvnews1.gif

Paul
 
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Char Jackson

There's a local station that plays only big band era music; they play
that song from time to time, but they don't announce their songs, so I
don't know who the very nice singer is...
If I really want to know, I just call the station. It's easy enough to look
it up, but if you're in a large-ish city the prefix (first four, in this
case) for all stations will likely be the same and the last 3 digits will be
the station frequency. The last few cities that I've lived in have done it
that way. I've received tours of half a dozen radio stations by calling and
chatting up the DJ, making some friends along the way and in one case doing
some unpaid/uncredited (but still fun) commercial work.
 

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