WIN 7 Major USB Hardware Incompatibilities ?

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Trimble Bracegirdle

WINDOWS 7 Major USB Hardware Incompatibilities ?

I'm trying out Win 7 64 Bit. on the same Hardware (but separate Hard Drive)
as my established Win XP .

A big issue for me & the main thing I'm testing is the ability to use my
existing Hardware.

The standard basic stuff....Hard Drives...DVD Drive ...USB Memory Sticks
....Graphics Card ...centronics port printer ...
is all OK.

BUT I have a number of USB Hardware devices that are fine under XP ...
THAT MUST FOR ME, WORK ! in Win 7 & won't :(

a USB ADSL MODEM ... a USB DIGITAL TV Box ...A USB SCANNER ...a USB
GRAPHIC TABLET ..

In all Cases (I have been trying & trying every which way & trick)
The drivers & application appeara to install
all OK but WIN 7 then reports they are not functioning / Responding .

The problem seems to lie in the way the USB connection is used.

Most of these have indicator lights on them which should light up about 1/2
way through a Windows Startup with the application that use them
turning those lights on fully when its Run.

There is no sign of any activity with Win 7 .Is this a known issue ???

I tried Vista out (& did not like it) some time ago, same machine,
& these Devices were all OK. there.
There all some years old & do not have
Win 7 Drivers released (does anything !!???)

The USB type of ADSL Modem is very widely in use and my, VERY
comprehensive, searching finds that not one brand will work in Win 7 !!!
& I can't find anybody any Net place that HAS got one to work.

*(And, yes, yes, I know we should all 'Get With It' & buy a 'connect multi
computers Router Modems & squirt Wireless noise around ...wonderful
complexity !)*

But real life aint like that for a lot of users the prospect of paying out
more money on replacement Hardware than the new O/S cost is not on.

The more I find out the more Windows 7 is looking VERY different from Vista
& not the re-packaged tidied up 'same as Vista really' of most popular
thought.
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(") mouse (He's Not Happy)
 
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The poster formerly known as 'The Poster Formerly

Trimble said:
WINDOWS 7 Major USB Hardware Incompatibilities ?

I'm trying out Win 7 64 Bit. on the same Hardware (but separate Hard Drive)
as my established Win XP .

A big issue for me & the main thing I'm testing is the ability to use my
existing Hardware.

The standard basic stuff....Hard Drives...DVD Drive ...USB Memory Sticks
...Graphics Card ...centronics port printer ...
is all OK.

BUT I have a number of USB Hardware devices that are fine under XP ...
THAT MUST FOR ME, WORK ! in Win 7 & won't :(

a USB ADSL MODEM ... a USB DIGITAL TV Box ...A USB SCANNER ...a USB
GRAPHIC TABLET ..

In all Cases (I have been trying & trying every which way & trick)
The drivers & application appeara to install
all OK but WIN 7 then reports they are not functioning / Responding .

The problem seems to lie in the way the USB connection is used.

Most of these have indicator lights on them which should light up about 1/2
way through a Windows Startup with the application that use them
turning those lights on fully when its Run.

There is no sign of any activity with Win 7 .Is this a known issue ???

I tried Vista out (& did not like it) some time ago, same machine,
& these Devices were all OK. there.
There all some years old & do not have
Win 7 Drivers released (does anything !!???)

The USB type of ADSL Modem is very widely in use and my, VERY
comprehensive, searching finds that not one brand will work in Win 7 !!!
& I can't find anybody any Net place that HAS got one to work.

*(And, yes, yes, I know we should all 'Get With It' & buy a 'connect multi
computers Router Modems & squirt Wireless noise around ...wonderful
complexity !)*

But real life aint like that for a lot of users the prospect of paying out
more money on replacement Hardware than the new O/S cost is not on.

The more I find out the more Windows 7 is looking VERY different from Vista
& not the re-packaged tidied up 'same as Vista really' of most popular
thought.
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(") mouse (He's Not Happy)
Have you actually tried the Windows 7 upgrade advisor? Have you checked
with the manufacturers of all of your hardware to see if the devices are
W7 compliant?

--
"Software is like sex, it's better when it's free."
- Linus Torvalds

DRM and unintended consequences:
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=435&tag=nl.e101
 
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Trimble Bracegirdle

Yes .
Very few Manufacturers of hardware are saying Win 7 Compat or not.
All most none in the case of Devices more than a year or 2 out of
production.
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(") mouse
 
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Char Jackson

WINDOWS 7 Major USB Hardware Incompatibilities ?

I'm trying out Win 7 64 Bit. on the same Hardware (but separate Hard Drive)
as my established Win XP .

A big issue for me & the main thing I'm testing is the ability to use my
existing Hardware.

I have a number of USB Hardware devices that are fine under XP ...
THAT MUST FOR ME, WORK ! in Win 7 & won't :(

a USB ADSL MODEM ... a USB DIGITAL TV Box ...A USB SCANNER ...a USB
GRAPHIC TABLET ..
If the modem has an Ethernet port, switch to that and don't look back.
It'll cost you the price of an Ethernet cable.
 
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Darklight

Trimble said:
Yes .
Very few Manufacturers of hardware are saying Win 7 Compat or not.
All most none in the case of Devices more than a year or 2 out of
production.
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(") mouse
you could always try virtualbox which you can install in win7 as a stop gap
for the hardware that you can't use in win7. it is free.
 
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SC Tom

Trimble Bracegirdle said:
Yes .
Very few Manufacturers of hardware are saying Win 7 Compat or not.
All most none in the case of Devices more than a year or 2 out of
production.
(\__/)
(='.'=)
(")_(") mouse
When you ran the WUA, was all this hardware on and running? Did you get any
warnings about some of your hardware or software?
A few more particulars would be helpful, such as PC type/manufacturer, CPU,
RAM installed, etc. Are you using on-board USB ports, or are you hooking all
this stuff through an external box? If so, is it self-powered, or externally
powered?
So far, I haven't run into anything that I couldn't get to work with Win7,
USB or not, and some of my stuff is pretty old in computer years. Guess I've
been lucky. I have to use Vista drivers on my all-in-one printer, but it
works fine.
One suggestion was to hook your modem up with UTP instead of USB if it's
capable. I wholeheartedly agree with that, even if it means getting a $20
internal NIC. My speeds are much better with a more consistent connection
and fewer download errors.
 
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Conor

Trimble said:
BUT I have a number of USB Hardware devices that are fine under XP ...
THAT MUST FOR ME, WORK ! in Win 7 & won't :(

a USB ADSL MODEM ... a USB DIGITAL TV Box ...A USB SCANNER ...a USB
GRAPHIC TABLET ..
Have you actually bothered going to the manufacturers website and seeing
if there are Vista or Win7 drivers for them?
 
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Maurice Batey

So far, I haven't run into anything that I couldn't get to work with Win7,
USB or not,
Running W7 'Home Premium' (i.e. one of the 'crippled' versions), I
find that the Boot-US bootloader installer cannot write to diskette -
even when I run it as Administrator: "Access denied".

No problem formatting the diskette, Wordpad had no problem writing
a test file to it, and I had no problem then deleting it - even
running as ordinary user.

Guess the Boot-US code is trying to do something dodgy...

Found nothing relevant in a search on sysinternals.com.
 
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Nil

BUT I have a number of USB Hardware devices that are fine under
XP ... THAT MUST FOR ME, WORK ! in Win 7 & won't :(

a USB ADSL MODEM ... a USB DIGITAL TV Box ...A USB SCANNER ...a
USB GRAPHIC TABLET ..
Scanners are always the first things to be abandoned by driver writers
if it doesn't work now, I doubt it ever will. Especially for a 64-bit
OS - I think separate drivers are needed, I believe.

The hardware manufacturers are responsible for drivers, not Microsoft.
I wouldn't call it a a hardware incompatibility, not a "Win 7"
incompatibility.
I tried Vista out (& did not like it) some time ago, same machine,
& these Devices were all OK.
But was it 64-bit Vista? If not, I bet these devices wouldn't have
worked there, either.

A quick web search finds quite a few suggested remedies for similar
problems - installing the drivers as Administrator, updating the
motherboard chipset driver and/or BIOS, etc. So, there may be a
workaround.
 
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mike

Nil said:
Scanners are always the first things to be abandoned by driver writers
if it doesn't work now, I doubt it ever will. Especially for a 64-bit
OS - I think separate drivers are needed, I believe.

The hardware manufacturers are responsible for drivers, not Microsoft.
I wouldn't call it a a hardware incompatibility, not a "Win 7"
incompatibility.
It's Microsoft's responsibility to make their new OS compatible with the
hardware I already have. I'm sure they have a lot of excuses.
I don't want excuses. I want my (*(*& hardware to continue to work!!!
It may not support new features, but it should do at least what it used
to do.
Period!!!
Microsoft has let us down in that area. Sorry for any inconvenience,
my A$$.
 
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Maurice Batey

Why do you consider it "crippled"?
Not my description! Was used by other W7 users in another forum,
probably because various options are missing here and there.
 
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Maurice Batey

Guess the Boot-US code is trying to do something dodgy...

Found nothing relevant in a search on sysinternals.com.
Turns out the Boot-US code *was* doing something dodgy.
A corrected version now happily writes the diskette.

Windows 7 exonerated...
 
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Al Smith

mike said:
It's Microsoft's responsibility to make their new OS compatible with the
hardware I already have. I'm sure they have a lot of excuses.
I don't want excuses. I want my (*(*& hardware to continue to work!!!
It may not support new features, but it should do at least what it used
to do.
Period!!!
Microsoft has let us down in that area. Sorry for any inconvenience,
my A$$.

Tell me about it. I've got a perfectly good Epson Perfection Photo
1260 flatbed scanner, and it won't run under Windows 7 x64. No
driver for it. Epson can't be bothered writing one, and Microsoft
just doesn't care.

-Al-
 
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SC Tom

Al Smith said:
Tell me about it. I've got a perfectly good Epson Perfection Photo 1260
flatbed scanner, and it won't run under Windows 7 x64. No driver for it.
Epson can't be bothered writing one, and Microsoft just doesn't care.

-Al-
I feel for you and Mike, really I do, but I still don't see where it would
be Microsoft's responsibility to insure that every single piece of hardware
out there, no matter how old(?), would be compatible with it. If people
think it's expensive now, imagine what that would do to the cost! If it was
even possible to pull it off.
And why should Microsoft care about Epson? Or HP, or Lexmark, or any of
them? None of them obviously care for Microsoft, or the end user's problems
with their proprietary software. I had an older HP printer that I loved
since it would handle letter and ANSI B size drawings, but when I went to
XP, HP didn't. I could still print and plot using the XP generic driver for
it, but HP never came out with an update, and the printer was only 2, 2-1/2
years old at the time XP came out. I lost a little of the versatility of the
printer, but I still don't think that was XP's fault.
But, that's just me. . .
 
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Zaidy036

Tell me about it. I've got a perfectly good Epson Perfection Photo
1260 flatbed scanner, and it won't run under Windows 7 x64. No
driver for it. Epson can't be bothered writing one, and Microsoft
just doesn't care.

-Al-
I found one for my 1650 Scanner that works great.

So look here: (this is one very long URL)

http://www.kvaz.com/index.php?q=epson+perfection+1260+vista+x64
+driver.rar&search2=Search+files!&stype=all&S1=%3Ca+target%3D%22_blank%
22+href%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kvaz.com%22%
3EThe+best+Rapidshare+Search+Engine+for+epson+perfection+1650+vista+x64
+driver.rar+-+over+12+488+551+links!%3C%2Fa%3E&forum=[url%3Dhttp%3A%2F%
2Fwww.kvaz.com%2Ffile_epson%2Bperfection%2B1650%2Bvista%2Bx64%
2Bdriver.rar.html]epson+perfection+1650+vista+x64+driver.rar[%2Furl]
&forum=%3Ca+href%3D%27http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kvaz.com%2Ffile_epson%
2Bperfection%2B1650%2Bvista%2Bx64%2Bdriver.rar.html%27+title%3D%
27epson+perfection+1650+vista+x64+driver.rar%27%3Eepson+perfection+1650
+vista+x64+driver.rar%3C%2Fa%3E&forum=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kvaz.com%
2Ffile_epson%2Bperfection%2B1650%2Bvista%2Bx64%2Bdriver.rar.html
 
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Nil

It's Microsoft's responsibility to make their new OS compatible
with the hardware I already have. I'm sure they have a lot of
excuses. I don't want excuses. I want my (*(*& hardware to
continue to work!!! It may not support new features, but it should
do at least what it used to do.
Period!!!
Sorry, but you're living in a fantasy world - that's not the way it
goes. Unless Microsoft makes an explicit claim that a certain piece of
hardware will work, out-of-the-box with Windows, then it's up to the
manufacturer to supply the device driver. That's the way it has ALWAYS
worked with EVERY version of Windows. That's probably the way it will
always work. Get used to it... and urge the hardware vendor to release
updated drivers. You're more liable to get results doing that than
complaining here or to Microsoft.

I just built myself this handy dandy digital butt-scratcher with a USB
interface. Do you suppose Windows 7 supports it?
 
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Dave

Nil said:
I just built myself this handy dandy digital butt-scratcher with a USB
interface. Do you suppose Windows 7 supports it?
I hope so and I want one. :-D
 
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mike

Nil said:
Sorry, but you're living in a fantasy world - that's not the way it
goes. Unless Microsoft makes an explicit claim that a certain piece of
hardware will work, out-of-the-box with Windows, then it's up to the
manufacturer to supply the device driver. That's the way it has ALWAYS
worked with EVERY version of Windows. That's probably the way it will
always work. Get used to it... and urge the hardware vendor to release
updated drivers. You're more liable to get results doing that than
complaining here or to Microsoft.

I just built myself this handy dandy digital butt-scratcher with a USB
interface. Do you suppose Windows 7 supports it?
You're welcome to your bend-over-and-take-it attitude.
If XP could run my hardware device, there's no reason that W7 can't.
The code is already written. It works just fine.
M$ CHOSE to change things in a manner that caused a perfectly working
driver to quit working. I don't care WHY they did it. I want them
to continue to include the support they already had.

My C: drive is 9gigabytes of M$ bloat. Another bit of bloat for legacy
support wouldn't have killed them.

Yes, I'm sure there are all kinds of excuses. I don't want excuses.
I want those M$ geniuses to figger out how to make it work.
You can bet if it had been a priority, it would have happened.

This "throw away everything and start over" every few years has gotta
stop!!!

Dear valued customer,
Toyoter motor company announces an exciting new line of motor vehicles
chock full of features you'll never use. In order to support these
exciting new features, we had to change some parameters.

Our new vehicles are no longer compatible with garages built prior
to 1998.

Some parking spaces no longer work. You'll find that out when you
reach your destination and try to park.

In order to use toll roads, you'll need to purchase the optional
toll upgrade that works...mostly...

Our vehicles are no longer permitted in school zones.

Standard gasoline from your corner filling station will still
work in compatibility mode with significantly reduced fuel mileage.

If you have any child car seats or personal electronic items that were
used in your car, you will need to replace them. Legacy snow tires are no
longer supported.
Any towable trailers will need to be replaced.

Our ULTIMATE upgrade is required for trips greater than 100 miles.

Please remember that Toyoter motor company is the ONLY option available
to you. We trust you will continue to buy our products...because
you have no other choice.

Sorry for any inconvenience.
 
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Trev

mike said:
You're welcome to your bend-over-and-take-it attitude.
If XP could run my hardware device, there's no reason that W7 can't.
The code is already written. It works just fine.
M$ CHOSE to change things in a manner that caused a perfectly working
driver to quit working. I don't care WHY they did it. I want them
to continue to include the support they already had.

My C: drive is 9gigabytes of M$ bloat. Another bit of bloat for legacy
support wouldn't have killed them.

Yes, I'm sure there are all kinds of excuses. I don't want excuses.
I want those M$ geniuses to figger out how to make it work.
You can bet if it had been a priority, it would have happened.

This "throw away everything and start over" every few years has gotta
stop!!!

Dear valued customer,
Toyoter motor company announces an exciting new line of motor vehicles
chock full of features you'll never use. In order to support these
exciting new features, we had to change some parameters.

Our new vehicles are no longer compatible with garages built prior
to 1998.

Some parking spaces no longer work. You'll find that out when you
reach your destination and try to park.

In order to use toll roads, you'll need to purchase the optional
toll upgrade that works...mostly...

Our vehicles are no longer permitted in school zones.

Standard gasoline from your corner filling station will still
work in compatibility mode with significantly reduced fuel mileage.

If you have any child car seats or personal electronic items that were
used in your car, you will need to replace them. Legacy snow tires are no
longer supported.
Any towable trailers will need to be replaced.

Our ULTIMATE upgrade is required for trips greater than 100 miles.

Please remember that Toyoter motor company is the ONLY option available
to you. We trust you will continue to buy our products...because
you have no other choice.

Sorry for any inconvenience.
Well if you have XP drivers for 64 bit then install them in compatibility
mode. Right click the setup EXE select the compatibility tab and set for XP
sp3 compatible.
My HP scanner only had basic drivers for WIN 7 so that what I did and got
the full features.
 

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