Well this might be promising...


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Iceman

As long as you don't talk through it, or are (like the aptly-named
president Bush!) proud to be one.

(See
- if you've got six
minutes to spare.)
To use her own term: rather "risqué". :)
 
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Roland Schweiger

Up to some extent the question about Start Button and NUI is cosmetic,
although i also do not like the forced change of paradigm and hope it
will finally be abandoned or at least have it done by user choise.

But what interests me more:

Will the system of ShaddowCopy (the VSS Volume Shaddow Copy) and
alongside the "previous versions" mechanism really be abandoned in
favor to the much simpler "file history"?

More than once, VSS saved my a*** and i consider it as one of the most
well integrated features into Win7.

Microsoft could even properly market the whole thing by simply adding
a little nice GUI to the "previous versions".

Just wondering ... am i the only one here who liked VSS / shaddowCopy
/ previous versions, or are there many others too.

The problem with the new "file history" in Win8 is that you generally
need a second drive, network place or similar. MS wants to optimize
Win8 for portable devices but how should you always connect some drive
to a portable device?

As i am one of those people who will continue to use desktop machines,
there are often very large HDDs in those machines - 1TB and higher.
That is far enough and suitable for the VSS shaddowCopy system.

Just home somebody at MS reads all this and hope that the service will
not be completely dismissed.

greetings from Vienna.

Roland Schweiger
 
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Larry__Weiss

As that doesn't happen in the UK (we don't need health insurance) it's not
a problem. If anyone requests a receipt, they can have one - but they are
very rarely needed, and therefore just waste time and money.
I never saw anyone issuing receipts on the Starship Enterprise.
 
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...winston

The replacement approach from the whole-disk-in-place versioning (VSS) to the partial-off disk (File History aka FH) method from
what I've seen is the direction going forward.

While FH is acceptable for version history it's still prudent to ensure and alternate *latest version restoration* plan - e.g.
image software with the ability restore files from backup images or user configured dated file backup since FH by design (and
default) preserves only those files in your Libraries: documents, music, photos, and other media. One can add other folders, but
only by adding them to your Libraries. One can also exclude folders.
- unlike backup (Win7's Backup and Restore - still included with Win8 as File Recovery or 3rd party imaging like Acronis True
Image) software...FH does not protect the entire system (operating, applications, settings and user files) focusing only by default
on user personal files (usually the most precious and hardest to recreate if disaster strikes or an accident occurs).

File History requires some kind of external storage: a USB flash drive, USB hard drive, or network drive and requires the user to
designate how much space will be dedicated to FH (i.e. devote more space to increase the depth of the your file history backup).

The ability to connect external media to a portable device is dependent upon the hardware and software constraints of the portable
device. The majority of pc's, laptops, and tablets capable of running Windows 8 and the Windows 8 RT operating system have the
ability to connect an external device. External media, imo, should be part of everyone's hardware requirements regardless of the
capacity available on internal storage.

FH is not a replacement for backup software but it is intended to provide a tool and help the 95% of people (that don't use any
type of backup software) protect their personal files.

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps


"Roland Schweiger" wrote in message

Up to some extent the question about Start Button and NUI is cosmetic,
although i also do not like the forced change of paradigm and hope it
will finally be abandoned or at least have it done by user choise.

But what interests me more:

Will the system of ShaddowCopy (the VSS Volume Shaddow Copy) and
alongside the "previous versions" mechanism really be abandoned in
favor to the much simpler "file history"?

More than once, VSS saved my a*** and i consider it as one of the most
well integrated features into Win7.

Microsoft could even properly market the whole thing by simply adding
a little nice GUI to the "previous versions".

Just wondering ... am i the only one here who liked VSS / shaddowCopy
/ previous versions, or are there many others too.

The problem with the new "file history" in Win8 is that you generally
need a second drive, network place or similar. MS wants to optimize
Win8 for portable devices but how should you always connect some drive
to a portable device?

As i am one of those people who will continue to use desktop machines,
there are often very large HDDs in those machines - 1TB and higher.
That is far enough and suitable for the VSS shaddowCopy system.

Just home somebody at MS reads all this and hope that the service will
not be completely dismissed.

greetings from Vienna.

Roland Schweiger
 
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Roland Schweiger

There are however so many situations in everyday life where VSS did
help alot.
Although i certainly have used external devices (in my case USB and
eSATA HDDs) there were situations where i needed the "previous
versions" from VSS.
Firstly the reeally nice thing about the VSS approach is that it odes
not actually copy old files (AFAIK it somehow works on block-level and
only traces the changes), this also means that it allows previous
versions of practically any directory.
If something goes wrong in c:\windows\system32 then i can try to get
the previous version (i did that once and it worked).
Once i accidently deleted or incorrectly synced an eMail account which
yielded to the loss of all subfolders.
As i was using WLM, what i simply did was to look up the "Windows Live
Mail" folder and copied away the previous version from last week.
(This would probably NOT work with FH because the folder is not in the
library).

Understanding that FH can be an amendment ... i don't really
understand why the VSS will probably be 'killed' - somehow sad, i
liked 'previous versions' und used it relatively often.

greetings

Roland Schweiger
 
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John Williamson

Larry__Weiss said:
I never saw anyone issuing receipts on the Starship Enterprise.
Have you ever seen anyone pay for anything on the Starship Enterprise?

It's a cashless society. On occasion, when visiting a primitive world,
they hand over some local cash to a small trader, maybe.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

I never saw anyone issuing receipts on the Starship Enterprise.
They always did it off-camera, since it didn't forward the plot to any
great extent.

They never showed people filling out their tax forms either, for the
same reason.

I probably shouldn't read the replies that this post might generate, if
anyone reads it :)
 
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Larry__Weiss

They always did it off-camera, since it didn't forward the plot to any
great extent.

They never showed people filling out their tax forms either, for the
same reason.

I probably shouldn't read the replies that this post might generate, if
anyone reads it :)
Are there annual tax forms for British citizens? If so, what day is the equivalent to April 15 in
the USA?
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Are there annual tax forms for British citizens? If so, what day is the equivalent to April 15 in
the USA?
I don't know about that, but I *was* surprised to learn that there is a
July 4th in England.
 
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John Williamson

Larry__Weiss said:
Are there annual tax forms for British citizens? If so, what day is the
equivalent to April 15 in the USA?
Yes. Most people (Wage slaves...) get paid net of taxes, and get a
receipt to show how much you've earnt and how much tax you've paid as of
the first Monday in April each year. If you are paid this way, this is
your total involvement with the tax man. This is a form P60. If you
leave a job partway through the taxyear, they must issue a similar form
known as a P45, which must be handed to yoru new employer.

If you are self employed or are not employed by only one employer, then
you have to fill in a tax return either on line by the 1st of January in
the year following the tax year (So, on the 1st of January this year, I
had to put in a return for the year 2011 - 2012). If you insist on using
paper, then you have to file your return before 30th September, which in
my case would have been in September 2012 for the tax year 2011 - 2012.
All tax has to be paid by these dates, and if you pay later than that,
you end up being charged interest and penalty charges. My current tax
return is sitting in my in tray waiting for the P60 tax form to say what
I earnt in my main employment the 12 months up to April 5th this year. I
will send the return in with a copy, and will hear no more about it
unless I have other sources of income.

The above is simplified, but the flavour of it is right.
 
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Larry__Weiss

Yes. Most people (Wage slaves...) get paid net of taxes, and get a receipt to show how much you've
earnt and how much tax you've paid as of the first Monday in April each year. If you are paid this
way, this is your total involvement with the tax man. This is a form P60. If you leave a job
partway through the taxyear, they must issue a similar form known as a P45, which must be handed to
yoru new employer.

If you are self employed or are not employed by only one employer, then you have to fill in a tax
return either on line by the 1st of January in the year following the tax year (So, on the 1st of
January this year, I had to put in a return for the year 2011 - 2012). If you insist on using
paper, then you have to file your return before 30th September, which in my case would have been in
September 2012 for the tax year 2011 - 2012. All tax has to be paid by these dates, and if you pay
later than that, you end up being charged interest and penalty charges. My current tax return is
sitting in my in tray waiting for the P60 tax form to say what I earnt in my main employment the 12
months up to April 5th this year. I will send the return in with a copy, and will hear no more
about it unless I have other sources of income.

The above is simplified, but the flavour of it is right.
Thanks! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P60
I see that it is somewhat complicated:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_Kingdom#Income_tax

For the USA, the instructions for our basic "1040" form ran to 214 pages this year.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040.pdf
 
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Ken Blake

Have you ever seen anyone pay for anything on the Starship Enterprise?

It's a cashless society. On occasion, when visiting a primitive world,
they hand over some local cash to a small trader, maybe.

We're getting pretty close to a cashless society here in the US. I pay
my barber and my gardener in cash (that's all they take), and that's
about it. I pay almost everything else either by electronic funds
transfer or by credit card, and very occasionally with a check to
someone who doesn't take credit cards.
 
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Bob I

I don't know about that, but I *was* surprised to learn that there is a
July 4th in England.
Incidentally they also have a July First Second and Third! <GD&R>
 
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John Williamson

Larry__Weiss said:
Generally, for 90% or more of the population, it's very simple. We
answer a few questions when we start work, get married or divorced, or a
child aroves, get allocated a tax code each year, which tells the pay
department how much tax to deduct each pay period, we get the P60 as a
record, and that's it.
For the USA, the instructions for our basic "1040" form ran to 214 pages
this year.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1040.pdf
I'll skip reading that...
 
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Bob Henson

We're getting pretty close to a cashless society here in the US. I pay
my barber and my gardener in cash (that's all they take), and that's
about it. I pay almost everything else either by electronic funds
transfer or by credit card, and very occasionally with a check to
someone who doesn't take credit cards.
I just wrote a cheque (that's "check" on your side of the Big Pond :) )
for a cooker repairman the other day, and the stubs showed it was the
first time I had used my cheque book for two years. Cash gets used in
pubs for the odd pint of beer or two, but otherwise I use a card for
everything. Even the pub will change when NFC becomes the norm. I made
my first NFC purchase the other day, it's taking a long time to catch on
here in the UK. When the type of cash transfer that Paypal and some
banks already do by mobile phone becomes widespread, I suppose cash will
go too. I won't miss it - my trouser pockets will last longer. If I'm
still around, that is.
 
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Bob Henson

Are there annual tax forms for British citizens? If so, what day is the equivalent to April 15 in
the USA?
April 5th is the end of the fiscal year here. I file my returns on-line
these days so, so if I were a Trekkie I still wouldn't be seen filling
them in on camera :)
 
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Bob Henson

I don't know about that, but I *was* surprised to learn that there is a
July 4th in England.
There always has been - but we don't do anything to distinguish it from
any other day :)
 

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