Well this might be promising...

J

JJ

Bring the desktop back as the startup screen and make Metro the secondary
screen for all non ARM platforms.
When that happens, I might consider upgrading.
 
P

Paul in Houston TX

Fokke said:
And all of a sudden we are going to upgrade to Windows 8.1?
I don't think so!
Click to expand...
Yes, you will because its Cool and nobody wants to be Un-Cool.
 
P

Paul

Seth said:
<Cross posted to both Windows 7 and 8 groups due to likely interest>

http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/16/microsoft-may-bring-back-start-button-and-desktop/
Click to expand...
How could this possibly happen ?

That would require some executive, to admit they were wrong.

I'm betting:

1) This is wishful thinking.
2) Nobody at Microsoft is listening.

It's kinda like the charade at Canonical, where the head guy
is leading the design, and no amount of (potential) customer
input, makes the slightest bit of difference. (It's his
money, so I suppose it's OK.)

Or at Mozilla, when they added the Awesome Bar, and didn't
provide an about:config to turn it off. Customer feedback
was ignored there as well.

There's a "damn the torpedos" tradition to be upheld here.
I vote "it ain't happening".

Paul
 
S

Seth

Paul said:
How could this possibly happen ?

That would require some executive, to admit they were wrong.

I'm betting:

1) This is wishful thinking.
2) Nobody at Microsoft is listening.
Click to expand...
Well I was invited to the Spring CDAC Meeting and Windows VIP Summit in
June. If project schedules permit and I make it out there it will be on my
list of questions. Really wish I had time back in February for the winter
briefing. It was held in Amsterdam...
 
N

Nil

Yes, you will because its Cool and nobody wants to be Un-Cool.
Click to expand...
Haven't you seem all those young, slim hipsters dancing with their
tablets around and on the table in the Windows 8 commercial? That's the
me I want to be... and now I know how!
 
P

(PeteCresswell)

Per Nil:
Haven't you seem all those young, slim hipsters dancing with their
tablets around and on the table in the Windows 8 commercial?
Click to expand...
It's probably totally changed by now but five years ago when my
granddaughter was in high school, she said everybody mocked anybody who
came to school with an iPad. Only iPods and iPhones were cool.
 
W

...winston

What's more likely is the ability to boot (after logon) to the desktop (which can already be done without third party software)
thus implementation/code change is relatively easy to accomplish via a simple update (via 8.1 or WU/MU).

The Start Screen isn't going anywhere.
The Start Menu isn't being returned.

The reality (the desktop pc as we know it while remaining a wonderful tool) is no longer a growth market going forward. Already
70% of Americans are using some type of smart device..usage skewed toward the under 45 group with smart device penetration in the
over-45 group increasing and substantial. More importantly the impact of the Chinese population preference will continue to play a
increasing role.

In the long run two ethnic populations and their usage patterns will drive the future (Chinese and Latino).

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps


"Paul" wrote in message
<Cross posted to both Windows 7 and 8 groups due to likely interest>

http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/16/microsoft-may-bring-back-start-button-and-desktop/
Click to expand...
How could this possibly happen ?

That would require some executive, to admit they were wrong.

I'm betting:

1) This is wishful thinking.
2) Nobody at Microsoft is listening.

It's kinda like the charade at Canonical, where the head guy
is leading the design, and no amount of (potential) customer
input, makes the slightest bit of difference. (It's his
money, so I suppose it's OK.)

Or at Mozilla, when they added the Awesome Bar, and didn't
provide an about:config to turn it off. Customer feedback
was ignored there as well.

There's a "damn the torpedos" tradition to be upheld here.
I vote "it ain't happening".

Paul
 
W

...winston

I can assure you MSFT is not going to answer anything not already public.

The answer if not public will be the same as it is today.

'We have nothing to report at this time'

Btdt,
--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps


"Seth" wrote in message

Paul said:
How could this possibly happen ?

That would require some executive, to admit they were wrong.

I'm betting:

1) This is wishful thinking.
2) Nobody at Microsoft is listening.
Click to expand...
Well I was invited to the Spring CDAC Meeting and Windows VIP Summit in
June. If project schedules permit and I make it out there it will be on my
list of questions. Really wish I had time back in February for the winter
briefing. It was held in Amsterdam...
 
S

Seth

...winston said:
I can assure you MSFT is not going to answer anything not already public.

The answer if not public will be the same as it is today.

'We have nothing to report at this time'
Click to expand...
Apparently you've never been to a CDAC.
 
D

Dave \Crash\ Dummy

(PeteCresswell) said:
Per Nil:

It's probably totally changed by now but five years ago when my
granddaughter was in high school, she said everybody mocked anybody who
came to school with an iPad. Only iPods and iPhones were cool.
Click to expand...
When I was in high school, they mocked me because I carried a slide
rule. :)
 
D

Dave

When I was in high school, they mocked me because I carried a slide
rule. :)
Click to expand...
Me too, and remember all those things like circular and cylindrical
designs. Then came calculators the cool HP reverse Polish one and TI, both
with writeable media strips. I always wished I had gone with the HP rather
than the TI.
 
M

Mellowed

When I was in high school, they mocked me because I carried a slide
rule. :)
Click to expand...
I don't recall being mocked. We had a Slide Rule Club and I still have
my pocket 6" and full size Sans & Streiffe in my desk. They are very
handy for quick estimates. Slide Rule accuracy was the norm in college.
Never could get used to the Circular slide rules.
 
K

Ken Blake

I don't recall being mocked. We had a Slide Rule Club and I still have
my pocket 6" and full size Sans & Streiffe in my desk. They are very
handy for quick estimates.
Click to expand...

Leaving aside any issues of being mocked or not being mocked, can I
ask why you still use a slide rule these days? It would seem that a
small inexpensive pocket calculator is easier to use, faster, and more
accurate. Or even the Windows calc program.

By the way, I also have a slide rule on my desk. It's a circular slide
rule in the form of a pencil cup.

But I don't use it. It's there just as a decoration and to hold
pencils. <g> As a matter of fact, if I wanted to use it, it's been
so long since I've used a slide rule that it would take me a while to
play with it and remember how.
 
F

Fokke Nauta

When I was in high school, they mocked me because I carried a slide
rule. :)
Click to expand...
Jeez man, the old slide rule. Youth sentiments?
Wonderful thing. Complicated but it always worked!
Can you imagine the nowadays youngsters with a slide rule?
Anyway, it worked without batteries.
And I was mocked as well :)

Fokke
 
J

John Williamson

Fokke said:
Jeez man, the old slide rule. Youth sentiments?
Wonderful thing. Complicated but it always worked!
Can you imagine the nowadays youngsters with a slide rule?
Anyway, it worked without batteries.
And I was mocked as well :)
Click to expand...
I had the micturation extracted when I built my own calculator from a
set of chips on a home etched PCB while I was at college. The slide rule
is still in a drawer, and I can still remember how to drive it, through
constant use at school in maths and physics lessons. Cost a bloomin'
fortune, it did, at the time. I actually sold the calculator to a
lecturer as an educational aid.
 
S

SC Tom

Fokke Nauta said:
Jeez man, the old slide rule. Youth sentiments?
Wonderful thing. Complicated but it always worked!
Can you imagine the nowadays youngsters with a slide rule?
Anyway, it worked without batteries.
And I was mocked as well :)
Click to expand...
Slide rule? Hell, they can't even make change in their heads, and most have
trouble figuring it out with pen and paper. I love going to the store, and
after I hand them the bills, I then give them some change (usually the
pennies). Non Sequitur. . . . (ooh's and ahs watching the sparks and smoke
:) )
 
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