Too Many Fonts Installed?


T

TMitchell

Older versions of Windows reportedly had a problem (slow down of certain
ops) if too many fonts were installed. Is this true for Win 7 and, if
so, how many are too many?
 
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K

Ken Blake

Older versions of Windows reportedly had a problem (slow down of certain
ops) if too many fonts were installed. Is this true for Win 7 and, if
so, how many are too many?


No it's not a problem. You can have as many as you want without
affecting the computer's performance. The only issue is the effect on
*your* performance (how long it takes you to scroll through a long
list of fonts to find the one you want).
 
D

Dave \Crash\ Dummy

Ken said:
No it's not a problem. You can have as many as you want without
affecting the computer's performance. The only issue is the effect on
*your* performance (how long it takes you to scroll through a long
list of fonts to find the one you want).
Ain't that the truth! What is the point of the fonts that start with @?
Can I delete them without disaster?
 
B

Bucky Breeder

Older versions of Windows reportedly had a problem
(slow down of certain ops) if too many fonts were
installed. Is this true for Win 7 and, if so, how
many are too many?
Just install all of them; then, uninstall them one
at a time until your computer gets back up to speed.

HTH.

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B

Bucky Breeder

Dave "Crash" Dummy news:jodv7n$t11$1@dont-email.me:
Ain't that the truth! What is the point of the fonts that start with @?
Can I delete them without disaster?
Pretty soon the ¢ will be obsolete, so you might as well
delete all of them and just use the $ £ ¥ & € or download
a font manager app that automatically deletes the ones you
never use that much anyway.

It's like we computer experts always say,
"Fonts is SOOOOO 1990s that we might as well still
be using the smoke signals using the Morse Codes."

The more fonts you can delete, the more typewriter keys
you can devote to nifty little emoticons which have more
contemporaneous meanings anyhow.

HTH.

--

I AM Bucky Breeder, (*(^; and as an awesome superhero,
I must only use my racism for the good of all mankind!:

<http://tinyurl.com/6bqt2nq>

So, the softly seductive lady-voice in the speakerbox said
"Would you like a LITTLE PUSSY to go with those fries?"

With unabated anticipation I replied "Well, HELL-YEAH!"...

<http://tinyurl.com/7u6otzk>
 
V

VanguardLH

TMitchell said:
Older versions of Windows reportedly had a problem (slow down of certain
ops) if too many fonts were installed. Is this true for Win 7 and, if
so, how many are too many?
The performance issue was how long to load them into memory on Windows
startup. Once you login, there's no performance issue because it's the
same time to read from anywhere in memory hence why it's called RAM. If
the performance of optimization you are attempting to improve is boot
time for Windows then reducing your fonts will help (by maybe 2-4
seconds if you're lucky, or typically no reduction in boot time). I'm
assuming you have a mechanical disk platter device for your hard disk
instead of an SSD. You could use xbootmgr.exe to see if the font count
makes a difference in the time to boot Windows. It's a Microsoft tool
(http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/performance/cc825801) but usable only
on versions of Windows *after* XP. Folks that report using it to
measure the effect of font count on boot time and paring down from 282
fonts down to the standard set of 40 fonts saw no change in boot time.

That's the effect on Windows boot time when having lots of fonts (I'm
talking about hundreds of fonts and not tens of thousands). As for
applications, well, they're going to have to populate their buffers with
the titles of all those fonts and then let you scroll through them. It
will take time to cycle through a for-loop to retrieve the font names,
families, and styles. I don't know how long it takes to retrieve a item
from an object that points at the installed fonts but it will take time
to populate a list and the longer the list the longer the time to
populate it.

You can end up with a lot of very similar fonts if you install hundreds
of them. If you use a font viewer or just print out a document showing
lots of fonts, find which ones are very similar, and view and print just
those, you might not be able to discern any difference. At one time, I
had over 650 fonts installed. After spending several evenings going
through them, I found many to be [nearly] identical so I pared them down
to 470. That's still a lot which means having to go through a long list
to find the one(s) that you want. It would be handy if a history or
tracking info were stored on the use of fonts so you could see which
ones you haven't used for several use (that aren't considered standard
fonts normally included in Windows) and then get rid of them. If that
info were available, I could probably get rid of another 200, or more,
of old and never-used fonts.

The more fonts you have, especially from somewhere other than a font
foundary (those that produce them commercially), the more likely you'll
have a corrupted one that can cause problems.
 
H

Hot-Text

TMitchell said:
Older versions of Windows reportedly had a problem (slow down of certain
ops) if too many fonts were installed. Is this true for Win 7 and, if
so, how many are too many?
No No No that's not true at all,
I have a wim98 with over a 1000's,
and I have no problem at all..

you have to remember not all the fonts at running,
if not call upon...
 
S

Stan Brown

Ain't that the truth! What is the point of the fonts that start with @?
Can I delete them without disaster?
Alas, no. I don't mean you can't delete them without disaster, I
mean you can't delete them. Nor can you delete Dotum Che, Batang,
and a host of other useless fonts.

At least, that's the case in Home Premium: all those are system fonts
and Windows won't let me delete them, even though I don't expect ever
to see a word of east Asian language on my computer.

It's quite annoying, so I try not to dwell on it.
 
G

Gene E. Bloch

Alas, no. I don't mean you can't delete them without disaster, I
mean you can't delete them. Nor can you delete Dotum Che, Batang,
and a host of other useless fonts.

At least, that's the case in Home Premium: all those are system fonts
and Windows won't let me delete them, even though I don't expect ever
to see a word of east Asian language on my computer.

It's quite annoying, so I try not to dwell on it.
The message is clear: it's time for you to learn some East Asian
languages. According to me, this is the truth, straight from Microsoft
:)
 
B

BillW50

No No No that's not true at all,
I have a wim98 with over a 1000's, and I have no problem at all..

you have to remember not all the fonts at running, if not call upon...
That isn't true of Windows 98 and earlier. As they can only see roughly
about the first 1000 fonts. Sure you can continue adding more and more
fonts and everything may seem to be just fine. But Windows nor your
applications can see them passed the limit.

Font Management in Windows - Font Limitations
http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/aboutgraphics/a/fontoverload.htm

And Windows 2000 and later, it is said they don't have a font limit. But
at some point, the performance starts to bog the system down.

Dealing with Too Many Fonts in Windows 7
http://www.online-tech-tips.com/windows-7/windows-7-fonts/
 
D

Dave \Crash\ Dummy

Gene said:
The message is clear: it's time for you to learn some East Asian
languages. According to me, this is the truth, straight from Microsoft
:)
Can you say, "outsourcing?"
 
H

Hot-Text

BillW50 said:
That isn't true of Windows 98 and earlier. As they can only see roughly
about the first 1000 fonts. Sure you can continue adding more and more
fonts and everything may seem to be just fine. But Windows nor your
applications can see them passed the limit.

Font Management in Windows - Font Limitations
http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/aboutgraphics/a/fontoverload.htm
I have 1250 Fonts with no Font Limitations,
But my window 98 and is a Windows 98-Plus Sp1,
with all the updates.

And Windows 2000 and later, it is said they don't have a font limit. But
at some point, the performance starts to bog the system down.

Dealing with Too Many Fonts in Windows 7
http://www.online-tech-tips.com/windows-7/windows-7-fonts/
too many fonts can slow down your computer when you use applications such as word processors and spreadsheets

Not True,
it slow down the word processors,
spreadsheets,
Editors,
and software applications on your computer that use Fonts,
Because they need to load all Fonts in memory first.......

Yes E-mail applications are slow down too because they are Editors that need Fonts too..
But 98% of the computers do not have over 200 Fonts on them.....
 
W

Wolf K

No it's not a problem. You can have as many as you want without
affecting the computer's performance. The only issue is the effect on
*your* performance (how long it takes you to scroll through a long
list of fonts to find the one you want).
Especially true of the "system" fonts. There are too damn many of them.
You only need one per language, and that /they should be selected when
you specify your system language(s). All other bundled fonts should be
easily uninstalled by the user, if and when the user so desires.

And _I_ desire to get rid of at least 50% of the "system" fonts on this
machine. I still haven't found an easy way to do it.

HTH,
Wolf K.
 
S

Stan Brown

And _I_ desire to get rid of at least 50% of the "system" fonts on
this machine. I still haven't found an easy way to do it.
Does that imply that you _have_ found _some_ way that actually works,
not just in theory but in your experience? If so, please share!
 
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Wolf K

Did you read that before you posted it? All 77 responses? People
posted various "answers", and for each one someone else posted that
it did not work.

What did you *personally* do to remove these unneeded fonts?

Used reg edit, but it's tedious. Haven't finished the job yet. I've done
about half a dozen, not negative effects yet, so will get a round tuit
someday soon. They cost about a nickel....

The Fonts applet's delete does not work with "system" fonts, BTW.

Wolf K.
 
S

Stan Brown

Used reg edit, but it's tedious.
Not to mention vague. If you know how to do this thing that no one
else can do, it would be a service for you to be specific instead of
dropping hints and posting unhelpful URLs.

Saying "regedit" is like saying "it's in the Library of Congress".
Well, yes, but that's not exactly helpful. In the vernacular, "put
up or shut up" - if you actually know how to do this thing, please
post details. Many people including me will thank you. If you don't
post details, we'll assume you're just blowing smoke.

Haven't finished the job yet. I've done
The Fonts applet's delete does not work with "system" fonts, BTW.
"BTW"? That's the whole point of this thread and another one running
concurrently, that Microsoft's own instructions to delete unwanted
fonts don't work. (And, as I noted here a year or so ago, *hiding*
them as Microsoft instructs is also ineffective -- Microsoft's own
applications like Word ignore the hiding and continue displaying them
in the fonts list.)
 
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Wolf K

Today, I tried the method given by Chris H (first post on the referenced
page). Worked.

However, on a whim, I decided to give SYSTEM full control as well,
before shutting down and starting in Safe Mode w/ Command prompt. So
there were two new Owners of the font file: MyUserName and SYSTEM. Since
some people report the method did not work for them, it may be that
giving SYSTEM full control is necessary.

When I cd'd to \windows\fonts, I then did "dir x*", where x is the
initial of the font I wanted to delete. That way I could be sure of
spelling its filename correctly when I did "del fontname.ttf".

I discovered that when two or more fonts form a "family", you see
either a *.ttc file, or a group of fontname.ttf files.

To Stan Brown: I forget exactly what I did with regedit. Sorry. I'm not
going to try to reproduce it, seeing how Chris H';s method works.

Win7 Pro 64 bit.

HTH & Good Luck,
Wolf K.
 

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