OT--looking for a good (free or cheap) disc cleaning program

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Allen

I have several old but good hard drives that are too small for me. I
want to take these to the local Goodwill computer store, but first I
want to ob;iterate all the data on them. Does anyone know of a
free/cheap program that will replace all data with blanks or other
garbage? Formatting won't do that. Any help?
Allen
 
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Bob Henson

Allen said:
I have several old but good hard drives that are too small for me. I
want to take these to the local Goodwill computer store, but first I
want to ob;iterate all the data on them. Does anyone know of a
free/cheap program that will replace all data with blanks or other
garbage? Formatting won't do that. Any help?
Allen
Ccleaner.
 
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Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP]

I have several old but good hard drives that are too small for me. I
want to take these to the local Goodwill computer store, but first I
want to ob;iterate all the data on them. Does anyone know of a
free/cheap program that will replace all data with blanks or other
garbage? Formatting won't do that. Any help?
Allen
Go grab DBAN 2.2.6.

- Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP]
 
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Peter Foldes

Allen said:
I have several old but good hard drives that are too small for me. I want to take
these to the local Goodwill computer store, but first I want to ob;iterate all the
data on them. Does anyone know of a free/cheap program that will replace all data
with blanks or other garbage? Formatting won't do that. Any help?
Allen
Allen

Use the following

http://www.dban.org/download
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ray

I have several old but good hard drives that are too small for me. I
want to take these to the local Goodwill computer store, but first I
want to ob;iterate all the data on them. Does anyone know of a
free/cheap program that will replace all data with blanks or other
garbage? Formatting won't do that. Any help? Allen
What information do you have to safeguard - and what kind of folks
frequent your local Goodwill? A simple format will, indeed, be sufficient
to safeguard from the casual user. In order to deter a determined,
knowledgeable person, it will take a lot of work.
 
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DanS

I have several old but good hard drives that are too small
for me. I want to take these to the local Goodwill computer
store, but first I want to ob;iterate all the data on them.
Does anyone know of a free/cheap program that will replace
all data with blanks or other garbage? Formatting won't do
that. Any help? Allen
The utilities provided from the drive mfg to do a low-level all
0's or all 1's write ?
 
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Paul

Peter said:
There are some screenshots here, showing options, and how to install
to make a bootable floppy with the DBAN software on it.

http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=61951&ssid=39774

Some rocket scientists who have used the DBAN program, have managed
to leave their "backup" drive connected to the same computer which
is erasing other disks. DBAN can wipe *all* the drives connected,
so make sure you know which drives are selected for erasure. (DBAN can
erase 99 disks in parallel.) In the DBAN forum, the owners of the
accidentally erased drives, had the presence of mind, to ask whether
their data could be recovered or not (well, of course not!).

There is also the "Secure Erase" program, which uses a built-in command
in the IDE command set. But to use this program, you need to read *all*
the documentation. In terms of time spent, DBAN allows you to
"fire and forget", which may be faster. If you're going to be doing
a lot of these, then this program is worth learning about.

http://cmrr.ucsd.edu/people/Hughes/SecureErase.shtml

All of the programs, will have some level of trouble with
"Host Protected Areas" if they exist. HPA is sometimes used
on pre-built computers, to hide recovery partitions or the like.
It wouldn't normally have your porn collection in it, so isn't
a concern for home users :) If someone goes to a great deal
of trouble to hide stuff in there (i.e. you're doing forensics
and trying to recover something from there), then you'd want to learn
about these as well. Since tools to work with these, tend to
require a pure DOS environment, I've never bothered to play with
them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Host_protected_area

Paul
 
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Peter Foldes

Paul said:
Peter Foldes wrote:

There are some screenshots here, showing options, and how to install
to make a bootable floppy with the DBAN software on it.

http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=61951&ssid=39774

Some rocket scientists who have used the DBAN program, have managed
to leave their "backup" drive connected to the same computer which
is erasing other disks. DBAN can wipe *all* the drives connected,

Paul

Good (Great ) info for the OP. Hopefully he reads it.

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Gene E. Bloch

I have several old but good hard drives that are too small for me. I
want to take these to the local Goodwill computer store, but first I
want to ob;iterate all the data on them. Does anyone know of a
free/cheap program that will replace all data with blanks or other
garbage? Formatting won't do that. Any help?
Allen
Eraser

http://eraser.heidi.ie/

Works for me.

For any of these programs you get a choice of overwriting a number of
times. I'll just mention that even once takes a long time on a large
drive; three or seven or 35 times will obviously take longer. If you
choose a larger number, don't start the program and go to lunch, start
the program and go on vacation.
 
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Allen

What information do you have to safeguard - and what kind of folks
frequent your local Goodwill? A simple format will, indeed, be sufficient
to safeguard from the casual user. In order to deter a determined,
knowledgeable person, it will take a lot of work.
Who knows? Unless a store is extending credit, they aren't likely to do
a check. They sell to anyone who wants to buy.
Allen
 
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ray

Who knows? Unless a store is extending credit, they aren't likely to do
a check. They sell to anyone who wants to buy. Allen
I really think a low level format should suffice. To recover data after
that is going to take significant equipment - I don't think those folks
often shop at Goodwill. If you're more paranoid that that, take a hammer
to them - after all, small drives aren't worth much when you can buy a
1TB drive for under $100.
 
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Ken Blake

On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 15:11:40 -0600, Allen wrote:
I really think a low level format should suffice. To recover data after
that is going to take significant equipment - I don't think those folks
often shop at Goodwill. If you're more paranoid that that, take a hammer
to them - after all, small drives aren't worth much when you can buy a
1TB drive for under $100.

Please note--modern drives can normally *not* be low level formatted
except in the factory. If you attempt to do that you will likely
destroy the drive.

Although many people call zero-filling the drive "low-level
formatting," that is *not* correct.
 
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LouB

Gene said:
Eraser

http://eraser.heidi.ie/

Works for me.

For any of these programs you get a choice of overwriting a number of
times. I'll just mention that even once takes a long time on a large
drive; three or seven or 35 times will obviously take longer. If you
choose a larger number, don't start the program and go to lunch, start
the program and go on vacation.
LOL
 
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Char Jackson

A simple format provides only a trivial amount of security. Lots of
utilities will offer to unformat a formatted drive. As for taking a
lot of work to deter a knowledgeable person, that's clearly not the
case. Lots of utilities will securely erase a drive, as reported
earlier in this thread. The biggest investment is the amount of time
it takes to wipe a drive, but since these are smaller drives, even
that isn't an obstacle.
 
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Allen

I have several old but good hard drives that are too small for me. I
want to take these to the local Goodwill computer store, but first I
want to ob;iterate all the data on them. Does anyone know of a
free/cheap program that will replace all data with blanks or other
garbage? Formatting won't do that. Any help?
Allen
Thanks to all. I have decided to erase all data, copy classical music
files (of which I have over 200GB) and then format.
Allen
 
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LouB

Allen said:
Thanks to all. I have decided to erase all data, copy classical music
files (of which I have over 200GB) and then format.
Allen
After you erase be sure to do a defrag then load the music.
And why bother to format? If the music files are legally free why not
leave them?
 
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Paul

Char said:
A simple format provides only a trivial amount of security. Lots of
utilities will offer to unformat a formatted drive. As for taking a
lot of work to deter a knowledgeable person, that's clearly not the
case. Lots of utilities will securely erase a drive, as reported
earlier in this thread. The biggest investment is the amount of time
it takes to wipe a drive, but since these are smaller drives, even
that isn't an obstacle.
But that is the beauty of this program, for the job.

http://cmrr.ucsd.edu/people/Hughes/SecureErase.shtml

It sets a bit internally on the hard drive, scheduling it
for erasure. The drive will not respond to user input,
until the scheduled erasure is complete. You can set the
bit, then turn off the drive (no time wasted on you bench).
It arrives at the Goodwill. The staff provide power to
the drive, and two hours later, it is ready for business.
By using the built-in secure erase function in the IDE
command set, you can actually defer the erasure execution
time, until the recipient of the drive gets it.

Of course, a complexity of this, is the need to label the
drive with a Post-It note, stating the drive light will be
on solid for the next two hours, when the recipient gets it.
And what is going on, should be explained. Otherwise, the
recipient could well throw the drive in the garbage, on the
assumption it is malfunctioning. When in fact, it is simply
trying to complete a previously issued command. Once the
bit is set, the drive won't stop trying to finish erasing
the drive, until it is done. You can turn off the power to
the drive many times, and the drive keeps track of progress,
and knows what track to do next, the next time it receives power.

By comparison, using DBAN, you pay that "wait time" up front,
as with DBAN it is being erased on your premises. I expect
most people would be curious, whether their erasure attempts
are working, and would want to verify the drive later. And then
the Secure Erase function still means bench time.

For the simplest form of erasure (not mandated by government
standards say), I'd probably just use "dd". This would be
single pass, with zero fill.

dd if=/dev/zero of=\\?\Device\Harddisk1\Partition0 bs=258048 count=969042

That would erase my second hard drive, which has a size of
250,059,350,016 bytes. It would do the erasure, at around
60MB/sec. The nice thing about a simple command like that,
is zeros are used (no fancy PRBS), so you can read back the
drive later if you want, and verify it is empty.

Doing something like this, as a second command, and arithmetically
summing all the bytes, should yield zero as an answer.
(This is not the best way to do it, as the standard "sum"
command throws out the overflow, and only uses a relatively
small register to hold the sum. You'd really want a program
with extended precision arithmetic, which would be guaranteed to
sum all bytes no matter what they contained.)

dd if=\\?\Device\Harddisk1\Partition0 bs=258048 count=969042 | sum

That assumes you have a port of the "sum" program for Windows,
available in the current working directory, so the piped bytes
all get summed. It's possible something like GNU Coreutils
will give you a copy, if Windows doesn't have one.

Using the second command, would be for those people who don't
own a "disk editor" program, which can seek to any location
you might want, and verify a sector there is completely zeroed.

Of all the lunacy above, DBAN is still your best bet, in terms
of easy to understand instructions. And the ability to erase
drives in parallel is a plus as well.

Now, a better question to ask, would be, what happens if the
disk has a few bad spots (reports a CRC error on write) ? That
makes erasure more of a challenge. Then I'd want to read the
appropriate T13 standards document, to see if Secure Erase
handles that case. Any of the methods already discussed, might
not work very well, if the drive is sick.

Paul
 

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