nVidia driver upgrade...?


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R. C. White

Hi, Hachiroku.

As a Dell field tech, I'm sure you understand that we need more error
description than just "bluescreen". :>(

What was the Stop Code? What was the "something about nVidia..." message?
Have you asked nVidia about this result from their new driver?

RC
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"Hachiroku ãƒãƒãƒ­ã‚¯" wrote in message

Hey. I am a Dell field tech. I have a homemade unit with an nVidia 8800GT
(ASUS) video card, and after installing W7 I did the upgrades, and one of
them was a newer version nVidia driver, from Microsoft. After the upgrade
the system just kept rebooting. Now fully aware of WTF was going on, I did
a fresh install, did the upgrades again and...

I got called out to look at a desktop system, and the guy said it just
kept rebooting. Managed to get it into Safe Mode just fine, and then he
said "When it Bluescreened, it said something about nVidia..."

Luckily, he had rollback set up, so we did a rollback to just before the
last update and the system worked just fine. I set the rollback point, did
another update and...bluescreen. This time I saw the nVidia module error
myself. We did the rollback, rebooted, and then set the system so that any
further updates would NOT automatically install.

Last week, I did another one.

Doesn't anyone at Microsoft know about this? I don't know what video chip
he was using, but I know it happens on the 8600, 8800, and FX570 from
personal experience.
 
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Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

Hey. I am a Dell field tech. I have a homemade unit with an nVidia 8800GT
(ASUS) video card, and after installing W7 I did the upgrades, and one of
them was a newer version nVidia driver, from Microsoft. After the upgrade
the system just kept rebooting. Now fully aware of WTF was going on, I did
a fresh install, did the upgrades again and...

I got called out to look at a desktop system, and the guy said it just
kept rebooting. Managed to get it into Safe Mode just fine, and then he
said "When it Bluescreened, it said something about nVidia..."

Luckily, he had rollback set up, so we did a rollback to just before the
last update and the system worked just fine. I set the rollback point, did
another update and...bluescreen. This time I saw the nVidia module error
myself. We did the rollback, rebooted, and then set the system so that any
further updates would NOT automatically install.

Last week, I did another one.

Doesn't anyone at Microsoft know about this? I don't know what video chip
he was using, but I know it happens on the 8600, 8800, and FX570 from
personal experience.
 
A

Asger-P

Hi

Get your nVidia drivers from nVidia, not Microsoft. They're available at
www.nvidia.com. Dell must be desperate if they hire someone as clueless
as you.
The way people talk tells a lot about how credible they are and
I'm sorry to say, but You kind of failed in that department.

Best regards
Asger-P
 
T

Tom Lake

"Asger-P" wrote in message

Hi

Get your nVidia drivers from nVidia, not Microsoft. They're available at
www.nvidia.com. Dell must be desperate if they hire someone as clueless
as you.
The way people talk tells a lot about how credible they are and
I'm sorry to say, but You kind of failed in that department.

Maybe some of his posts have failed but not this one.
No knowledgeable tech would use MS drivers when drivers are
available on the OEM site.

Tom L
 
C

charlie

in message

Hi



The way people talk tells a lot about how credible they are and
I'm sorry to say, but You kind of failed in that department.

Maybe some of his posts have failed but not this one.
No knowledgeable tech would use MS drivers when drivers are
available on the OEM site.

Tom L
If there is a large difference in driver revs, it can be necessary to
revert to the MSoft VGA/SVGA driver, and uninstall the older Nvidia/Ati
(as appropriate) video driver before you install the new driver. Both
ATI and Nvidia refer to this in some of the FAQs and notes.

Another issue that I've run into from time to time has to do with
registry entries, particularly when switching from a Microsoft or OEM
driver to the Video card Mfr's drivers.

Also, Laptops can be quite troublesome when the laptop OEM no longer
updates the video driver, and the video chipset mfr is the only source
for updated drivers.
 
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Yousuf Khan

Last week, I did another one.

Doesn't anyone at Microsoft know about this? I don't know what video chip
he was using, but I know it happens on the 8600, 8800, and FX570 from
personal experience.
No, Microsoft doesn't know about this, because Windows is too
complicated for them to figure out by themselves anymore. They might
have been still in control back in the days of MS-DOS, but the years and
years of spaghetti code that's been added to Windows has taken a life of
its own. That's the lesson of closed-source software development.

Just last month I spent pretty much the whole month trying to get SP1 to
install on my system. It made my system unbootable several times, and I
had to restore from backups several times. Finally the only way I could
get SP1 to install properly on the system was to do an In-Place Upgrade
of Windows 7, which removed all of Microsoft's patches and put the
system back to the state it was in at original install. Then I could put
SP1 on it: I had to remove all of Microsoft's patches so I could install
all of Microsoft's patches! I expect I'll have a similar struggle
whenever SP2 comes out.

Yousuf Khan
 
Y

Yousuf Khan

Maybe some of his posts have failed but not this one.
No knowledgeable tech would use MS drivers when drivers are
available on the OEM site.
Not really, the drivers that Microsoft provides through its Update site
are those that the manufacturer themselves have offered up as being
stable and passing the Microsoft certification process. Nvidia has a new
driver up every few weeks, but it only offers a new certified driver to
Microsoft every few months. They weren't written by Microsoft.

Yousuf Khan
 
T

Trevor

Hachiroku ãƒãƒãƒ­ã‚¯ said:
Hey. I am a Dell field tech. I have a homemade unit with an nVidia 8800GT
(ASUS) video card, and after installing W7 I did the upgrades, and one of
them was a newer version nVidia driver, from Microsoft. After the upgrade
the system just kept rebooting. Now fully aware of WTF was going on, I did
a fresh install, did the upgrades again and...

I got called out to look at a desktop system, and the guy said it just
kept rebooting. Managed to get it into Safe Mode just fine, and then he
said "When it Bluescreened, it said something about nVidia..."

Luckily, he had rollback set up, so we did a rollback to just before the
last update and the system worked just fine. I set the rollback point, did
another update and...bluescreen. This time I saw the nVidia module error
myself. We did the rollback, rebooted, and then set the system so that any
further updates would NOT automatically install.

Last week, I did another one.

Doesn't anyone at Microsoft know about this? I don't know what video chip
he was using, but I know it happens on the 8600, 8800, and FX570 from
personal experience.
I have a NVIDIA Geforce 8600GT in my Dell dimension 9200 and it updated
fine with the driver from Microsoft on 1st April 2011 The driver version is
8.17.12.6724 release date February 2011.

No blue screen here.
 
D

Dave \Crash\ Dummy

Trevor said:
I have a NVIDIA Geforce 8600GT in my Dell dimension 9200 and it updated
fine with the driver from Microsoft on 1st April 2011 The driver version is
8.17.12.6724 release date February 2011.

No blue screen here.
Ditto with GeForce 9600 on generic computer, same driver version and date.
 
L

Leon Manfredi

Funny, I installed it on three machines, two laptops and a desktop and
had no problems. What did I do wrong, Yousuf?
Well do us all a big favor and go and install Explorer 9, and let us
know how well you've done....ha ha ha!
 
M

Muad'Dib

Hey. I am a Dell field tech. I have a homemade unit with an nVidia 8800GT
(ASUS) video card, and after installing W7 I did the upgrades, and one of
them was a newer version nVidia driver, from Microsoft. After the upgrade
the system just kept rebooting. Now fully aware of WTF was going on, I did
a fresh install, did the upgrades again and...

I got called out to look at a desktop system, and the guy said it just
kept rebooting. Managed to get it into Safe Mode just fine, and then he
said "When it Bluescreened, it said something about nVidia..."

Luckily, he had rollback set up, so we did a rollback to just before the
last update and the system worked just fine. I set the rollback point, did
another update and...bluescreen. This time I saw the nVidia module error
myself. We did the rollback, rebooted, and then set the system so that any
further updates would NOT automatically install.

Last week, I did another one.

Doesn't anyone at Microsoft know about this? I don't know what video chip
he was using, but I know it happens on the 8600, 8800, and FX570 from
personal experience.
Letting MS updates do drivers has been risky at best for some time now
whatever the reasons. It is always best to install drivers from the
respective vendors. Some people have had good results letting MS updates
do driver installs, and many have not, myself included.

I decided to see what would happen just for the heck of it, and let MS
updates do an ATI driver update, (Along with others), yep got the BSoD
which turned out to be unrecoverable. No biggie as I was getting ready
to install Win 7 Pro from the RC, but a general user would be screwed.
There have been many, many, people with borked systems over this situation.

Although they have denied any update causing system crashes, MS does
know about it. Yep, we in the wilds know very well about them, and can
easily poo-poo their denials.

G'day
 
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Leon Manfredi

No problems at all, installed flawlessly on all three machines.
Microsoft may do a lot of things I don't care for and I feel Windows has
some disadvantages when compared to Linux, but I've never had a problem
with Windows, Office or MS Updates. Course, I prepare for them and don't
set my computers to do it automatically.
......"BALONEY".....First time hung up on update install,
then directly downloaded the file,
installed but bars were blank,
resisted loading my home page,
looked for a solution, and it could not.

One good thing....They probably realized that there were still
problems with IE9, and had it configured to automatically create a
Restore Point, which I had to resort to.....
 
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Leon Manfredi

Note I wrote, and I quote, "Course, I prepare for them and don't set my
computers to do it automatically." How did you prepare?
Pray....please tell....what and how????
 
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Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

"Asger-P" wrote in message

Hi



The way people talk tells a lot about how credible they are and I'm sorry
to say, but You kind of failed in that department.

Maybe some of his posts have failed but not this one. No knowledgeable
tech would use MS drivers when drivers are available on the OEM site.

Tom L
Another geenius. Go back and read the original post.
 
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Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

Not really, the drivers that Microsoft provides through its Update site
are those that the manufacturer themselves have offered up as being stable
and passing the Microsoft certification process. Nvidia has a new driver
up every few weeks, but it only offers a new certified driver to Microsoft
every few months. They weren't written by Microsoft.

Yousuf Khan

I had one place that, every time they tried to run a video on the
projector, the video would go all wonky. I went out with a new mobo in
hand, and poked around a bit and found they were using Dell's version of
the nVidia driver. I downloaded the latest from the Dell website,
and..same thing.

Then I went to nVidia's website and downloaded the driver direct from
nVidia. THAT solved it! The problem got EVEN WORSEQ

Since I have one of those cards in another system and last installed the
driver about 18 months ago, I went to nVidia's website and poked around
for ALL drivers for that particular card.

Here's the list of drivers:

Quadro Driver v270.61 WHQL NVIDIA Recommended 270.61 April 19, 2011


Quadro Driver v270.51 270.51 April 7, 2011


Quadro Driver v267.79 WHQL 267.79 April 5, 2011

Quadro Driver v267.66 WHQL 267.66 March 21, 2011


Quadro Driver v267.17 WHQL 267.17 March 2, 2011


Quadro Driver v267.05 WHQL 267.05 February 17, 2011


Quadro Driver v266.45 WHQL 266.45 January 12, 2011

Quadro Release 265 WHQL 266.35 January 10, 2011

Quadro Release 265 BETA 266.35 January 4, 2011

Kinda looks to me like they're having a small problem with this driver,
eh? If you drill down, they're constantly fixing the same issues, mostly
3D and DirectX 11(common to almost all of the listed drivers.)

I d/l and installed one from early 2010 and it worked perfectly.
 
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Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

Really? How so? Getting hardware drivers from the hardware manufacturers
instead of Microsoft is computing 101.
Yeah, unless you're working for a company that tells you to download
approved drivers from their own web site.

Are you always this much of an arrogant ass, or are you often worse?

For someone who acts like he knows everything, you sure are one shot-out
idiot.
 
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Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B

Hi, Hachiroku.

As a Dell field tech, I'm sure you understand that we need more error
description than just "bluescreen". :>(

What was the Stop Code? What was the "something about nVidia..." message?
Have you asked nVidia about this result from their new driver?

RC
I wasn't there and didn't see it. When I got there the system was just
in a constant state of reboots. It would get through the Dell splash
screen, present the XP screen, the crawler would crawl...stop...and reboot.

Safe mode was good, unloading the MS video driver stopped the reboots, and
loading the current nVidia driver didn't replicate the condition.

They sent me out with a new motherboard....
 

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