No email on W-7

[John Williamson]

Valorie's mind is made up. Don't confuse her with your rational
thinking.

It turns out that RTFM would have been a perfectly valid response, as
solutions to all its problems with TB are in the help files.

 

[Stan Brown]

It turns out that RTFM would have been a perfectly valid response, as
solutions to all its problems with TB are in the help files.

But Valorie, I mean RH Breener, already told us she failed to find
answers in the Thunderbird help files.

 

[John Williamson]

But Valorie, I mean RH Breener, already told us she failed to find
answers in the Thunderbird help files.

<Shrug> That's where I checked what I wrote. That is all. ;-)

 

[Bob I]

But Valorie, I mean RH Breener, already told us she failed to find
answers in the Thunderbird help files.

It is said, "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink."
That statement has been reduced to "You can't fix stupid".

 

[Stan Brown]

Lest it wasn't clear, I wasn't denying that the answers are there,
just pointing out that she said she couldn't find them -- which
probably means that she didn't look, or not in any meaningful way.

It is said, "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink."
That statement has been reduced to "You can't fix stupid".

You can lead Valorie to knowledge but you can't make her think.

 

[Ken Blake]

It is said, "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink."

Or as Dorothy Parker said, in one of my all-time favorite quotes, "You
can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think."

 

[WinMail]

Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me. There
is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in
WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find Send
& Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded mail.
I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy of
WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email program
that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about.

Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7?

Absolutely, and it's pretty easy to do even for a newbie!

Thousands of us have it running on Windows 7 already!

See my other reply to your reply to Chris

 

[WinMail]

How did you get it to work? The software to gain control I downloaded did
nothing. I'm the Administrator of this PC and yet can't do what I want and
it's making me resentful. What's with all the "permissions" crap on W-7?

I agree with you RH from what you said earlier, I've used OE since day one on
9x, and ever since Vista came out with WM it's basically the same thing with a
few improvements.

Anyway, I really enjoy and love using WM on Windows 7 !

I've had WM working on Win7 for years now too, it's easy to do with
the info given from a website that made it pretty easy back in 2009, but even
recently they've automated the install to work even better.
The disclaimer reads scary, has merit, but it's for disclaimer sake.
You can read the whole thread from the begining of the posts or go to the end
to see how its evolved and bettered itself, or just

Go to the Download button and get the file, unzip it and read the
ReWinMail_tutorial.html
on what to do starting from where it says:
"You are reading the local tutorial"
"Continue from here:"

You should have it installed and able to open WM in less than five minutes

Any problems, ask your question over there

Check it out here, good luck.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/5481-windows-mail-124.html#post1926689

ps
the stupid ad's go away on that forum when you sign in

ps
posted from WinMail on Windows 7

 

[WinMail]

How did you get it to work? The software to gain control I downloaded did
nothing. I'm the Administrator of this PC and yet can't do what I want and
it's making me resentful. What's with all the "permissions" crap on W-7?

I agree with you RH from what you said earlier, I've used OE since day one on
9x, and ever since Vista came out with WM it's basically the same thing with a
few improvements.

Anyway, I really enjoy and love using WM on Windows 7 !

I've had WM working on Win7 for years now too, it's easy to do with
the info given from a website that made it pretty easy back in 2009, but even
recently they've automated the install to work even better.
The disclaimer reads scary, has merit, but it's for disclaimer sake.
You can read the whole thread from the begining of the posts or go to the end
to see how its evolved and bettered itself, or just

Go to the Download button and get the file, unzip it and read the
ReWinMail_tutorial.html
on what to do starting from where it says:
"You are reading the local tutorial"
"Continue from here:"

You should have it installed and able to open WM in less than five minutes

Any problems, ask your question over there

Check it out here, good luck.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/5481-windows-mail-124.html#post1926689

ps
the stupid ad's go away on that forum when you sign in

ps
posted from WinMail on Windows 7

 

[Chris S.]

I agree with you RH from what you said earlier, I've used OE since day one
on
9x, and ever since Vista came out with WM it's basically the same thing
with a
few improvements.

Anyway, I really enjoy and love using WM on Windows 7 !

I've had WM working on Win7 for years now too, it's easy to do with
the info given from a website that made it pretty easy back in 2009, but
even
recently they've automated the install to work even better.
The disclaimer reads scary, has merit, but it's for disclaimer sake.
You can read the whole thread from the begining of the posts or go to the
end
to see how its evolved and bettered itself, or just

Go to the Download button and get the file, unzip it and read the
ReWinMail_tutorial.html
on what to do starting from where it says:
"You are reading the local tutorial"
"Continue from here:"

You should have it installed and able to open WM in less than five minutes

Any problems, ask your question over there

Check it out here, good luck.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/5481-windows-mail-124.html#post1926689

ps
the stupid ad's go away on that forum when you sign in

ps
posted from WinMail on Windows 7

VERY nice! Thanks for the link. I had zero problems porting WinMail
from Vista to Win 7, several times! Your link may even allow
The Breener to get it running!

Chris

 

[R. H. Breener]

I do too, now that I have it working. Only it's the old OE, not the WM on
Vista. At least on my PC it is, but I don't care.

I've had WM working on Win7 for years now too, it's easy to do with
the info given from a website that made it pretty easy back in 2009, but
even
recently they've automated the install to work even better.

The disclaimer reads scary, has merit, but it's for disclaimer sake.
You can read the whole thread from the begining of the posts or go to the
end
to see how its evolved and bettered itself, or just

Go to the Download button and get the file, unzip it and read the
ReWinMail_tutorial.html
on what to do starting from where it says:
"You are reading the local tutorial"
"Continue from here:"

You should have it installed and able to open WM in less than five minutes

Any problems, ask your question over there

Check it out here, good luck.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/5481-windows-mail-124.html#post1926689

OK! I'll save all that information in case I need it and wont run file
checker on W7.

This is from the site:

Complete the instructions in the local tutorial.
Overview of the steps in the local tutorial:

Open an elevated Command Prompt
In the elevated Command Prompt, change directory to
your user Downloads\TutReWinMail
Launch one batch file (64 -OR- 32) to automatically process the majority
of the steps
Create a shortcut
Restart your machine
That's pretty much all there is to it

The only issue I may run into is getting the elevated command prompt in W7.
I don't know what kind of account to set up in W7 where I can do things and
get choices others here have, choices that don't show up in my version of W7
or with the accounts I have set up on W7.

 

[R. H. Breener]

And that's the problem, that it's too easy to send huge files via
email. Email isn't really designed for large file transfers, but the
other thing is that people have stopped caring about their recipients.
Just attach and let them fly, I guess. Let the recipient(s) deal with
it.

Personally, I'd much rather receive a *link* via email so that I can
choose whether I want to visit, and if so, what I want to download.

I never send large files without first asking, or if the person asked me to
sent it to them. Why? because some people are still on dial-up or don't have
unlimited downloads. If I go over 5Gs a month, I pay extra.

 

[R. H. Breener]

Actually, it applies to home users primarily.

OK, I have to ask. What kind of huge files are people sending to each other?
All I every got were unwanted dumbass Videos and I've stopped that by having
them deleted from the server. When I had thousands of MP3s to send, rather
than upload for hours and go way over my limit and pay more, I sent them to
the person on DVDs. They paid for the DVDs and the shipping. They didn't
have to, but insisted.

Rather than trying to dig through or around it, you could try just
using it.

I saw nothing that would be of use to me.

I know that sounds bizarre and extreme, but in some amount

 

[R. H. Breener]

RH Breener wrote:

Brevity snips

Oh, you really would appreciate everyone you know and don't know that
sends you e-mails to attach 20 GB of attachments to them? You don't
care that senders create e-mails to you that consume lots of bandwidth
to download them, consume your disk quota at your e-mail account,
consume local disk space in the message store for whatever e-mail client
you happen to use, and for attachments you may not even want to see?

Who would allow that? I have the email filter set to delete them at the
server. They don't download to my PC. Everything over 800 KBs gets killed
at the server. I don't care what they sent, if it's over 800 KB, it dies on
the gmail server.

Remember why you started this discussion?


Why do people get MS Word when they often employ less than a third of
all its features? That someone wants to use an old e-mail client has to
do with their familiarity with that program. It's what they understand,
what they've used, and what they want to continue using.

Right... and MS shouldn't deny us that right. It costs MS nothing for
people to use the old email program so why disable it? A monopoly suite?

There are

still users of the old crappy FreeAgent newsreader or using Grabit for
discussions which is good at yanking binaries but sucks for discussions.

Just because you don't want a feature or don't use it has no bearing on
what other users want. You're claiming your narrow wants are those of
the majority of other users. Neither you nor I have those statistics to
prove what the "typical user" wants out of WLM. That features exist
within a product that you don't want doesn't mean you have to use them
but they are there.

They can be there, I'm sure no one cares. But we shouldn't be prevented
from using the older email client if that's what we want. After all, people
are still using XP and are perfectly happy with it.

Need to take those troubles to the WLM newsgroup where its users can
address those issues.

microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop

I suspect some of the suggestions there would be to delete the account
in WLM (not just edit the old one) and recreate a new account that
specifies the problematic Gmail account, disable your anti-virus
software or anything else that interrogates your e-mail traffic, and ask
you to describe what happens when you attempt to select more than 3
messages at a time in WLM.

So how many e-mails are sitting in your Inbox folder when you log into
your Gmail account using their webmail client? Thousands of them? If
so, also mention that to the WLM newsgroup.

I never use webmail so have no idea. I've used OE, then WM since I've been
online.

If you download an e-mail, your choice may be (depending on the
abilities of the e-mail client) to obtain only the headers or the entire
message (headers + body). If you "download" the e-mail, I have to
assume you download the entire message.

WLM appears to download the messages OPEN, unlike OE or WM. You can read
them without clicking on them and unlike WM, they all have their own folders
which they do this in.

It doesn't matter whether you

"open" it or not. That you downloaded it means you got the whole thing.
It's already there in your e-mail client's message store. The bandwidth
already got consumed to retrieve the entire message. Only if you use a
rule (or option in some e-mail clients) to check for a message's size
BEFORE downloading it (so you only get its headers) is how you limit how
much you download. In that case, all you have are the headers. You'll
still have to download the entire message if you want to see its body.

The size of each email isn't the issue. I have size set to 800KBs per
email. It's the same old deleted emails coming down constantly.

A downloaded e-mail isn't "opened" until you select it.

Not in WLM. I can read them without clicking on them. Are you using WLM?
How did you set it so only the header of the email shows and no text?

If you don't

want a default message pre-selected in the Preview pane then don't use
the Preview pane. Close the Preview pane and thereafter double-click on
a message that you want to open (but which has already been downloaded
in its entirety). If you use the rule to block the download of e-mails
that exceed the specified maximum size then all you get are the headers.

It looks like what you want WLM to do is not to "open" (preview) an
e-mail when it is selected. That means *not* using WLM's preview pane
(aka reading pane). The same was also true for WM and OE.

All email under 800KBs downloads and that's OK. All over 800 KBs gets
deleted at the gmail server. I have no idea how to close the preview pane
in WLM since the whole right side is white. Is that what MS now calls the
preview pane? I see nowhere to change the pane to only see headers. I see
nothing about the preview pane under VIEW or any of the other tabs. The
email comes down opened and only 1 or 2 fit the window. It takes forever to
delete them 1 to 3 at a time. It appears MS changed the names of things
with this email client.

 

[R. H. Breener]

Thank you for taking the time to reply. This is really helpful. If I use
this client I will need the spelling plugin.

 

[Dave-UK]

How can that be when I have no choice of "Run as Administrator" when I right
click on the command prompt? That choice is not there. All I can choose is:

Mark
Copy
Paste
Select
Scroll and
Find.

How do I get "Run as Administrator" to show up in the right-click dropdown
window for the command prompt?

You right-click the shortcut to run as administrator not the opened command prompt box.
Click the Start orb and in the search box, where it says ' Search programs and files , ' start typing 'command'.
When the command prompt icon appears near the top of the list right-click that and select 'Run as administrator'.

 

[R. H. Breener]

When I stop doing it, that will almost certainly be the reason. It's
easy to build systems, even easier if the customer is clear about what
they want, but dealing with them afterwards can be a pain. I have
people calling me 3-4 years after I delivered a system, wanting me to
"swing by" their house to take a look at their current problem. Heaven
forbid I ask them to bring the system to me, since some of these
people live 40-60 miles away, and by the way, "what's this talk about
labor rates? Don't you remember you built this system for me?". Yes,
ma'am, but that was 4 years ago. Am I supposed to support it forever
at no additional charge? If my system price included unlimited
lifetime tech support, on-site even, you wouldn't have liked my
pricing one bit. It's all humorous and we eventually work through it,
but yeah, the people aspect is the most interesting. Hardware and
software is easy, in comparison. Or just easy, period.

Same problems this guy had. He said it was almost never a hardware problem,
always some kind of software problem and almost always caused by the user.
And everyone wanted it fixed right-this-minute. He would make house calls,
but not for free. He charged me $50 hr back then plus travel time from the
city. He was worth ever dime. Now I can usually find some solution to the
problems that pop up with my PCs. None were as complicated for me as trying
to get WM to work on W7.

These days, most people don't know what a newsgroup is. If you can't
get there with a web browser, it ain't worth going.

This is true. When I asked the people at work if they use Usenet, not one of
them knew what I was talking about. Online forums are popular, maybe because
they're moderated and trolls are banned. Usenet is like the wild west.
Trolls are more common then ever on Usenet. I used to lurk the freeware and
free newsserver NGs and now it's mostly trolls. I find I'm spending less
time here on Usenet and more on online Forums myself. I think Usenet lost a
lot of people when all those ISPs dropped it. Some moved to Google to access
Usenet and the others probably moved on to other forums.

 

[R. H. Breener]

Lucky? Lucky to have found someone to do it? I know about half a dozen
local individuals and small companies who do this, and I've barely
looked at all. Give me a day to look around and make inquiries and I
could find dozens more.

The guy I'm talking about was well known and trusted. I live outside a small
southern city where a lot of businesses have closed in this recession. That
includes two computer repair shops. One of those made custom computers for
people but the cost was prohibitive. Not everyone was satisfied with his
work. Ahh well.....he's gone now.

Hours and hours? I don't have to spend any time at all doing this.
First, I already know a lot about the choices and what I would want.
Second, if I were someone who didn't know, I could ask the builder for
recommendations.

If you already know, then you've already spent those hours learning.

When I said "I choose all the components" myself, I was describing
what I do, not recommending that everyone else has to do the same
thing. To repeat the point I was making, "You are assuming that there
are only those two choices: buy a pre-built OEM computer or build your
own. That is *not* correct; there is a third choice and it's the one I
prefer and use most of the time. What I almost always do is use a
local builder to build what I want, to my specifications." The last
three words in that quotation described my practice, not what the
third choice has to be.

I see.

Nor should they be. And neither did I recommend that they should be.
Again, I was pointing out that *everyone*, despite how little he knows
about computers, has a third choice besides buying a pre-built
computer or building it himself.

They have that third choice if they know a good knowledgeable builder they
can afford. That isn't always the case. I've been asking around for months
now before I bought the HP W7 PC at Wally World and no one knew anyone who
built custom computers. The only reason I bought it at WM was because
CompUSA closed.

 

[R. H. Breener]

Hey, that's the FUN of building your own computer. The same goes when
you buy a car. Do you just happen to think suddenly one day "I want a
new car" and then stop at the nearest car dealer to pick one up? Or did
you first do research on the cars to see which ones met your criteria,
which ones did what you wanted, checked their reliability, warranties,
and all other factors of buying and owning a new car? If you're the
type that investigates their car purchase before laying down your hard
earned cash from working those 2 jobs, did you not find it fun to do
that research to learn about the cars? Do you do absolutely no research
before buying a new television? If you are disabled with compulsive and
immediate purchase disorder then you'll end up with a lot of junk.

My old van was bought cheap and used from Craigslist. I admit I did little
research. Now if I was going to buy a new car, paying thousands for it, I
would spend time doing some research.

Even when you bought your pre-built, pre-configured computer, you didn't
do any research on it before purchasing it? Considering all the
configurations that are possible, and from the times that I've wandered
around the various major brand sites reviewing their products and vast
number of configuration possibilities, I found it easier to just make up
my own list and go get the parts to put together myself.

I did do some research on Computers when no one could recommend a builder to
me. Since CompUSA closed, I hoped to find another guy or woman making
custon PCs. No luck at all. The new W7 met my needs except for the email
issue. Loads of RAM. A 1T HD. Fast and stable. I doubt a builder could
have done better for the price.

Personally I don't see slapping together the *hardware* for a personal
computer much more difficult than buying a BBQ grill and then having to
read the incomplete instructions on how to assemble the thing with a
thousand screws, bolts, and whatnot. Yet I do buy grills that I have to
put together. Most of them come that way. You're lucky if you can get
the store to put it together (and do it correctly) for free or at a
charge. They just sell you the box and you put it together. Well, I
want that BBQ grill so I'm willing to spend the time to put it together.
Rocket science isn't required to build the grill, nor for a personal
computer, either. There really aren't many parts inside a computer:
case, motherboard, PSU, memory sticks, video card (if onboard isn't
enough), hard disk, optical drive, and then connect the cables. Beyond
that, you are already "assembling" the other components by attaching the
keyboard, mouse, monitor, printer, etc.

But you have to know how they go together. What if you buy a motherboard
that wont work with the HD or video card? You can't just get online and
start ordering parts. With the grill you know all the parts will fit
because they all are made for that particular grill. But what if you had a
bucket of parts from many grills? You would then need to learn which ones go
together to make a working grill and ignore the rest.

There really isn't much to learn about slapping together a personal
computer. They come as components you screw down, slide into slots, and
connect with cables that don't even need instructions on where to plug
them in. I can fab a PC in an hour although it's more like 2 since I
like to be very neat and I probably like to dig into it more than
needed. The hardware is not the hard part of building PC. Its the OS,
drivers, apps, and all the conflicts and problems with the *software*.
That's probably what scares you away from building a PC.

Oh yeah. I can see a PC sitting here taking up the diningroom table, the
only table we have and the OS wont install or work with the hardware. I bet
other people have the same thoughts.

Hardware by

itself isn't that scary. As you yourself mentioned, it wasn't the
problems with the hardware that turned your "guy" off from repairing
computers. It was all the software problems and ignorant users getting
the *software* infected.

As for not having the space [to build your own], you don't have as much
space as for the seat on a chair? How about where you eat? How about
the floor? Plywood plank over your bed? A folding table? I still have
enough space where I eat and also on my desk to build a computer but I
also keep around a folding table for when I happen to need more space,
like when it's time to spread out all the papers to reconcile my bank
accounts or do my taxes. As for tools, one multi-bit screwdriver will
probably suffice.

I could probably set up a card table in the sunroom. But where would I get
the information as to what components work together? I can't even get past
the safety crap on W7, how could I build a PC and troubleshoot the problems
that are sure to come up? Look at all the hours and time it took me here on
this NG and all the time fiddling with W7 to get WM enabled and working.
Maybe when I'm old and retired and have time on my hands. BTW, I didn't
find any NGs for building PCs. I would have done some lurking.

However, this subthread is off-topic. Your problems with e-mail have
nothing to do with e-mail. I only made the point that you got WLM not
because Microsoft gave it to you, not because they bundled it with
Windows 7, but that it was HP that decided to give you WLM - plus lots
of other bloatware they include in their pre-configured platforms.

Not any more! I was surprised to see the bloatware and crippleware was cut
back drastically. Maybe people complained. HP bends over backward to please
the people who buy their products.

 

[R. H. Breener]

A good point! And one I hadn't thought of before.

With a HP PC they pay shipping both ways. I got the PC back in a week. It
didn't cost me a dime. UPS came to the house to pick it up and UPS brought
it back.