No email on W-7

[Bruce Hagen]

Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a
really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me.
There
is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in
WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find
Send
& Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded
mail.
I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy
of
WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email
program
that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about.

Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7?

I can't stand "Walmail" either and don't use it, but you can make a size
rule . Message rules are identical to OE and WinMail as far as I can see.

Send & Receive it a button on the Home tab ribbon at the right.

You can customize the Message Pane header columns and add Size just like
OE and WinMail.


Neither OE or WinMail ever had a downloadable version, but there are
workarounds.


How to use Outlook Express in Windows 7
http://www.oehelp.com/OEnWin7.aspx


How to Reinstate Windows Mail in Windows 7
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/5481-windows-mail.html

How to enable Windows Mail app in Windows 7
http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic137494.html

When SP1 came out, the process needed to be repeated to get WinMail to
work again, so you can expect to do it again in the future.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me. There

From all accounts, you're not missing much - WLM version 15, at least,
doesn't quote properly. (Incidentally, my understanding is that it isn't
actually part of a basic W7 install, so whoever built the PC - HP? -
must have decided to include it. It's free from Microsoft.)

is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in
WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find Send
& Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded mail.
I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy of

Interesting that you don't like Thunderbird, if you like OutlookExpress;
it can be made to look very like OE. There are also flavours of TB - for
example, there's one that looks like Eudora, if you know that one.

WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email program
that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about.

Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7?

I _think_ you can - Windows Mail as opposed to Windows Live Mail -
though not OE. Over to the experts ...

As for seeing the size of mails before you download them, see if your
provider offers a web interface; those usually do show the size.

 

[Ken Blake]

Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with

Note that it's your HP PC that came with Windows Live Mail, not
Windows 7. Windows Live Mail is a free program that HP (and many other
OEMs) bundle with their Windows 7 computers.

a really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me.

I'm entirely with you. I think it's about the worst choice there is.

How can I get a copy of
WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email program
that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about.

Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7?

Yes. Read here:
http://www.mydigitallife.info/download-windows-mail-from-vista-for-use-in-windows-7/

But you can *not* run Outlook Express in Windows 7.

Here's my standard post on this subject:

Windows 7 comes with *no* e-mail or newsgroup program. Although many
people object to this, I think it's a step in the right direction,
since it leaves everyone more free to choose whatever program(s) he
likes best. There are many choices available, both from Microsoft and
from third-parties. Some are free and some are for sale. Microsoft has
Windows Live Mail (which is essentially also a newer version of
Outlook Express/Windows Mail, with still another new name) available
for download for free and Outlook (a different program from outlook
express) available for sale, either alone or as part of Microsoft
Office.

If your computer came with Windows 7 preinstalled, it may have also
come with Windows Live Mail. If so, that's not because Windows 7 came
with it, it's because your computer's manufacturer bundled it with
what he sold you.
Some people will tell you to use Windows Live Mail; others will tell
you to use Thunderbird; still others may have other recommendations.

My advice is to ignore all such recommendations. I personally use
Microsoft Outlook for e-mail and Forté Agent for newsgroups, but you
should try several and choose what *you* like best, rather than make
your decision based on what I, or anyone else, likes best (or even
what Microsoft suggests).

 

[R. C. White]

Hi, RH.

As you probably have learned by now, Win7 comes from Microsoft with NO
mail/news client at all. HP must have added WLM to your machine. Microsoft
got tired of complaints about "bloat" in Windows Vista and prior, so they
removed several add-on features, including mail/news, from Win7. They say
that we are now free to select any mail/news client we want (Thunderbird,
Agent, or any of several others) and install it ourselves.

OE will not run on Win7. WM will not run on Win7, either, officially. But
some users have made it work with a patch that should not be too hard to
find. (I haven't looked for it because I prefer WLM to WM. I'll probably
get flamed for that.)

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2011 (Build 15.4.3555.0308) in Win7 Ultimate x64 SP1


"RH Breener" wrote in message
Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me. There
is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in
WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find Send
& Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded mail.
I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy of
WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email program
that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about.

Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7?

 

[Bruce Hagen]

I haven't looked for it because I prefer WLM to WM. I'll probably get
flamed for that.)

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2011 (Build 15.4.3555.0308) in Win7 Ultimate x64 SP1

Consider yourself flamed! <eg>

 

[Peter Jason]

Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me. There
is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in
WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find Send
& Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded mail.
I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy of
WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email program
that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about.

Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7?

I had this sort of trouble when I upgraded from
XP. I finally bit the bullet and bought
Outlook10 and have not regretted it.
Peter

 

[Big Steel]

Just use Thunderbird it is free.

 

[RH Breener]

Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me. There
is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in
WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find Send
& Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded mail.
I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy of
WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email program
that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about.

Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7?

 

[Ken Blake]

Hi, RH.

As you probably have learned by now, Win7 comes from Microsoft with NO
mail/news client at all. HP must have added WLM to your machine. Microsoft
got tired of complaints about "bloat" in Windows Vista and prior, so they
removed several add-on features, including mail/news, from Win7.

It's very hard to know why Microsoft did any of the things they did.
Did they do it because they get tired of complaints? Maybe, but
personally I doubt it. I don't know the reason, but I don't think
that's it.

They say
that we are now free to select any mail/news client we want (Thunderbird,
Agent, or any of several others) and install it ourselves.

OE will not run on Win7. WM will not run on Win7, either, officially. But
some users have made it work with a patch that should not be too hard to
find.

Not really a patch. You just need to copy it from Windows Vista to
Windows 7.

(I haven't looked for it because I prefer WLM to WM. I'll probably
get flamed for that.)

"Flamed" is too strong a word for me here, but as you know, I
thoroughly disagree.

I wasn't a big Windows Mail fan (to me, there are better choices than
either), but I think it was *much* better than Windows Live Mail.

 

[Gene Wirchenko]

[snip]

Windows 7 comes with *no* e-mail or newsgroup program. Although many
people object to this, I think it's a step in the right direction,
since it leaves everyone more free to choose whatever program(s) he
likes best. There are many choices available, both from Microsoft and

Hardly. Someone can still download what he prefers. When I
first got onto the Net back in 1995, my ISP supplied some basic
software. Without it, I might not have found out about USENET. I was
always free to switch. Free Agent I stuck with, upgrading to the paid
version at one point. I eventually switched from Netscape to Firefox.

[snip]

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

 

[Stan Brown]

Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me.

Count your blessings.

I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all.

If you say what you don't like, people might be able to suggest
something that wouldn't have those disadvantages for you.

Personally, I struggled with Pegasus for a long time, and Thunderbird
has been a breath of fresh air.

 

[Stan Brown]

Just use Thunderbird it is free.

How is that helpful?

You must have missed the part where the OP said "I tried Thunderbird
and don't care for it at all", though he gave no reasons.

 

[Paul]

Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me. There
is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in
WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find Send
& Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded
mail.
I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy of
WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email
program
that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about.

Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7?

Found an interesting tidbit in Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mail

"Windows 7

It is found in a folder titled 'Windows Mail', but it is unused.
Windows Mail can be re-enabled in Windows 7, but the file itself
is hidden and doesn't load anything at all. Look on http://www.sevenforums.com/
for information on re-enabling WinMail.exe."

I found the tutorial here.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/5481-windows-mail.html

That looks complicated enough, I'd do a "System Image" of my
Windows 7 partitions, before trying it. Then, if you get in
trouble, recovery is painless.

And if you get it working, there are web pages for setup.

http://www.sfsu.edu/~helpdesk/email/WindowsMail/

Paul

 

[Nil]

Just use Thunderbird it is free.

Just use punctuation. It is free.

 

[VanguardLH]

[snip]

Windows 7 comes with *no* e-mail or newsgroup program. Although many
people object to this, I think it's a step in the right direction,
since it leaves everyone more free to choose whatever program(s) he
likes best. There are many choices available, both from Microsoft and

Hardly. Someone can still download what he prefers. When I
first got onto the Net back in 1995, my ISP supplied some basic
software. Without it, I might not have found out about USENET. I was
always free to switch. Free Agent I stuck with, upgrading to the paid
version at one point. I eventually switched from Netscape to Firefox.

[snip]

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

So we should applaud some software vendor filling up our hard disks with
software that is NOT part of the operating system. Guess you just love
all that bundleware that comes with many programs. You must have a
couple dozen toolbars in your web browser now installed by you because,
gee, it came bundled with some software but, of course, you could decide
to get something else.

You might like pudding but would you really appreciate your car dealer
filling up your new car with pudding? Does it really take you buying a
new car to find out about pudding?

 

[Nil]

Found an interesting tidbit in Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mail

"Windows 7

It is found in a folder titled 'Windows Mail', but it is
unused. Windows Mail can be re-enabled in Windows 7, but the
file itself is hidden and doesn't load anything at all. Look
on http://www.sevenforums.com/ for information on re-enabling
WinMail.exe."

I found the tutorial here.

http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/5481-windows-mail.html

That looks complicated enough, I'd do a "System Image" of my
Windows 7 partitions, before trying it. Then, if you get in
trouble, recovery is painless.

And if you get it working, there are web pages for setup.

http://www.sfsu.edu/~helpdesk/email/WindowsMail/

I tried it and it worked! I had made an earlier attempt a year or two
ago, where I tried copying the Windows Mail folder from a Vista
installation, but I couldn't get it to work. This new (to me) method
works, and now I have Windows Mail on this Win7 computer. I may never
use it, but at least I know it can be done.

 

[VanguardLH]

I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me.

That's just one part of the wonderful bloatware that HP pre-installs on
their computer. When you purchase a pre-built computer with a
pre-installed OS means you get bloatware.

Windows 7 doesn't come with an e-mail client. HP decided they knew best
what you should use for an e-mail client. Complain to HP about all the
bloatware they toss on their pre-built, pre-configured computers.

There is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as
in WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't
find Send & Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of
downloaded mail.

This newsgroup discusses Windows 7. A better newsgroup for discussing
Windows Live Mail is:

microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop

By the way, yes, you can get WLM to *not* download e-mails that exceed a
maximum size. After installing WLM into virtual machine, it took longer
to find out how to get at the dialog to define rules then to see if a
rule clause were available to limit the size of downloads.

For your claim of "no way to set a rule to keep large files from
downloading", how long did you spend looking at the clauses that you can
add to rules? What was the reason you didn't want to select to include
the following clauses in a rule?

Where the message is more than size
Do not Download it from the server

Did you add the stop clause to this rule (so subsequent rules don't
force a download should they have to interrogate the body of the
message)? If you have more than one rule defined, where was this one
positioned within your set of rules? That is, what other rules were
defined before this one?

How can I get a copy of WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7?

Several posters have mentioned that you cannot run Outlook Express on
Windows 7. Well, that's strictly true under Windows 7 itself but not if
you have an edition of Windows 7 that runs XP Mode which is a virtual
machine running a copy of Windows XP and which does include Outlook
Express. "W-7" doesn't tell anyone WHICH edition of Windows 7 that you
are using. If your edition of Windows 7 supports XP Mode, yes, you can
run Outlook Express under the VM for Windows XP as a guest running under
Windows 7.

http://www.mydigitallife.info/how-t...ss-oe-of-virtual-xp-mode-vxp-vm-in-windows-7/

 

[Stephen Wolstenholme]

Hi, I recently bought a new HP PC (64bit) with W-7. It came with a really
bad email software called WindowsLiveMail that will not work for me. There
is no way to set a rule to keep large files from downloading as in
WindowsMail. I don't have unlimited Internet downloads. I can't find Send
& Recieve either. I can't find any way to show the size of downloaded mail.
I tried Thunderbird and don't care for it at all. How can I get a copy of
WindowsMail or even OutlookExpress on W-7? I don't or want an email program
that has all the bells and whistles I don't need or care about.

Is there some way I can get WindowsMail to work on W-7?

I bought the same HP system with W7. I didn't even try WindowsLiveMail
because I had already seem the mess it makes of Usenet. I installed
Forte Agent because that is what I have used for email and Usenet
since 1995 and aim to continue to use it no matter what!

Steve

 

[mechanic]

Just use Thunderbird it is free.

Lots of good alternatives; PC-Alpine if you like that text/curses
look, or Opera perhaps that has a good email client.

 

[Tim Slattery]

Lots of good alternatives; PC-Alpine if you like that text/curses
look, or Opera perhaps that has a good email client.

Pegasus Mail (www.pmail.com). Free, all the features. You can look at
your mail on the POP server and decide which to download and which to
delete. Filtering, Baysian spam filtering, etc, etc...