No email on W-7

[Char Jackson]

Or the included disk space for your personal web page provided by your
ISP.

Or use a free online file storage service (e.g., MediaFire, Megashares,
MegaUpload, Sendspace, Spread-it, TransferBigFiles).

Megaupload has been in the news recently. They've been shut down.
Details at <http://www.megaupload.com/>.

 

[Char Jackson]

You may have forgotten ten or twelve...

I have had to provide a valid address to most or all of the servers I've
used recently so that they can send me credentials...

Yes, but have any of those NSP's required you to configure your news
client with that valid address, or any valid address? The valid
address is usually limited to what you said, providing you with your
credentials.

This whole subthread took off because one person said his valid
address was in his From header. I replied by saying I had never seen a
news provider that required its customers to configure their posting
clients with a valid address. Valid-looking format, perhaps, but
that's as far as it goes.

 

[Char Jackson]

Lightsucker is too dark for my taste, and thus, the name. As to
pink, I love the colour. I rarely wear a top that is not a shade of
pink. The polo T I have on right now is a colour called cherry
blossom. It is a medium pink. Pink goes well with quite a few
colours: brown (of similar darkness), whites and off-whites, and what
I call off-blacks (like charcoal).

Kind of OT, perhaps, but interesting to me is the fact that you're the
second guy I've heard of who isn't afraid to wear shades of pink, (the
other was a burly ex-Marine coworker who regularly dared people to
make fun of him), and you're the first guy I've heard of who wears a
"top". Thanks for expanding my brain just a bit today, I think.

 

[Char Jackson]

Then you must be using eternal-september.org. It's the only other
news service that I can find in your headers, but I wasn't sure if it
was a reflection of my own service which is also eternal-
september.org. They require a valid email address to sign up for an
account.

But they don't require their users to configure that valid address, or
any valid address, in their news clients.

 

[DanS]

Or the included disk space for your personal web page
provided by your ISP.

Or use a free online file storage service (e.g., MediaFire,
Megashares, MegaUpload, Sendspace, Spread-it,
TransferBigFiles).

But those and Dropbox are not *integrated* services with
the e-mail client.

This is true...but not a showstopper.....*for me*.

The Linux version of DB has one more feature than the Windows
version which makes it less troublesome to use DB for such.

In Windows, you have to copy the file to the public DB folder,
then right-click the file within the public DB folder, go to
the DB context menu, and select "Copy Public Link".

In the Linux version, DB has a context menu entry when you r-
click a file in the standard file manager that has a "Copy to
Public Folder & Place Public link in Clipboard." So, one right
click and the clipboard is loaded with the public link w/o
having to navigate there to even copy the file there.

 

[DanS]

Hey! Lucky guy!

I never would have guessed that the drives and tapes could
be found and would still work.

The player I bought was brand new in the box never used for
$15.

Tapes and players are all over E-Bay.

I have some elderly audio cassettes, some of which seem to
be jammed, and two players, one of which works a little and
the other not at all


I have a new cheap USB cassette player that works on the
unjammed cassettes, at least.

I was going to purchase one of those USB turntables to
digitize my album collection. Instead however, I just d/l'd
the albums, seeming as it's not illegal since I have purchased
the albums and do own them, so the d/l's are just backups of
what I already have physical media for. I'm also certain the
one's I d/l'd are digital from the start, instead of me having
to capture and post-process the album music for hiss & pops.

 

[Gene Wirchenko]

[snip]

I'm going to go out on a long limb and make a guess that you guys who
haven't seen NSP (or USP) probably aren't very active in your NSP's
support newsgroup.

Nope with me. I just had not run across that particular TLA.
"newsserver" is what I have seen and used.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

 

[Gene Wirchenko]

Kind of OT, perhaps, but interesting to me is the fact that you're the
second guy I've heard of who isn't afraid to wear shades of pink, (the
other was a burly ex-Marine coworker who regularly dared people to
make fun of him), and you're the first guy I've heard of who wears a
"top". Thanks for expanding my brain just a bit today, I think.

I sometimes refer to light, cream pink as "safe pink" as it is
about the only pink most guys will wear. While I will wear most any
pink, I prefer darker pinks, especially fuschia. Since that is not a
manly colour <snicker>, I have only been able to get one, and that was
from a department store ladies' wear department, so "top".

I was bothered about my pink-wearing once by a couple of drunks.
Other people just take it in stride.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Yes, but have any of those NSP's required you to configure your news
client with that valid address, or any valid address? The valid
address is usually limited to what you said, providing you with your
credentials.

I meant what I said, no more than that.

I had to provide the news servers with an address where they could send
me the credentials so I could then log on.

This has nothing to do with the headers I create or cause to be created
when I post.

The context of my reply was a subthread about needing an e-mail address
to establish an account, not the other subthreads about the displayed
e-mail address.

 

[Stan Brown]

As I just told Ken in another post, this "RH Breener" is beginning to sound
an awful lot like "Valorie" of a year or two ago. :>(

Oh god. I *knew* something seemed familiar.

 

[R. C. White]

Hi, Stan.

And since I posted that suspicion, the flood of messages from "RH Breener"
seems to have stopped - instantly and completely! But it has been only a
couple of days, so let's wait and see...

I’m not going to bother to go back and check, but I believe that "RH
Breener" also was sometimes posting from an hour in the future and needed to
adjust his/her computer's clock.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2011 (Build 15.4.3555.0308) in Win7 Ultimate x64 SP1


"Stan Brown" wrote in message

As I just told Ken in another post, this "RH Breener" is beginning to
sound
an awful lot like "Valorie" of a year or two ago. :>(

Oh god. I *knew* something seemed familiar.

 

[Char Jackson]

I meant what I said, no more than that.

I had to provide the news servers with an address where they could send
me the credentials so I could then log on.

This has nothing to do with the headers I create or cause to be created
when I post.

The context of my reply was a subthread about needing an e-mail address
to establish an account, not the other subthreads about the displayed
e-mail address.

Thanks, we're in full agreement.

 

[RH Breener]

What he said!

It was generally believed nobody could write software WORSE than OE or
WM (which was a VERY tiny improvement on OE) but WLM is a giant step
backwards.

Fortunately there are several good free email clients several good
newsreaders, none of which come from Microsoft or Mozilla IMHO.

Which ones are good in your opinion? There maybe a easy to set up and use
out there but doesn't change the fact that many many people want to use WM
rather than some new software. I have Thunderbird now on W7 and am not happy
with it. As you can see I'm still posting through this old failing Vista PC.
I can't get Thunderbird to download more than 300 messages and it's not
intuitive at all. Where is the "get next messages" button? I can't find
any way to get rid of the wide band through the middle of the window with
the From and Subject information. I don't see the answer in the help
files. Do you know how to get the next 300 messages to download or how to
rid the message window of that band? And I don't see a spellchecker in
Thunderbird but that seems irrelevant since I was unable to reply to
messages anyway.

 

[John Williamson]

I worked with Thunderbird today and dislike it as much as the last time
I tried it. I wasted hours today looking through the helpfiles, and
never found the information I was looking for. I don't see this as a
good thing. It wont work for usenet, that's for sure.

What won't it do on usenet that you want it to?

I've been using it to access usenet since it first came out with no
problems, as have many others.

 

[RH Breener]

It goes back a lot of years, but I used to use Outlook Express and,
although I didn't think it was wonderful, I thought it was OK.

I experimented with Windows Mail just a little. I thought it was also
OK, but I have no opinion on how it compared to Outlook Express.

They're about the same. I never had a problem with either of them. I can't
say that about some of the others I've tried over the years. Thunderbird
doesn't have a way that I can see or find to get the next 300 Usnet messages
to download - there is no "get next headers" button that I could find. When
I tried to reply to someone, did not allow me to delete some of their text.
So I still have no working email/news software on the new W7 computer.

I *completely* agree with you there. I think it's the worst such
program available. There are many better choices, and some of them are
free.

Which would you recommend that's fast and easy to set up and easy to use?
Something like OE or WM. Not the new over-bloated WLM, as that's the pits.
I'm having problems with Thunderbird and some people really like that
software.

 

[RH Breener]

Did Windows Mail have the Live integration features of Windows Live
Mail? WLM will integrate with Skydrive to let you store files up there,
like putting your attachments up there and linking to them in your
e-mail.

No, but who cares? How many people are using Skydrive? I never even heard
of it before you just mentioned it. No one I know ever mentioned it.

That way, you don't assault your recipients with huge-sized

e-mails that consume their bandwidth and disk space and they can decide
whether or not to go get your attachment.

That would apply to businesses, not people with PCs at home, for home use.

WM won't do that. Microsoft

has been promoting their Live services and apps for quite a long time.
Now that users are getting used to it, Microsoft is abandoning the
"Windows" moniker that was supposed to link their services to their
Windows operating system.

I'm pretty sure that if you made a comprehensive list of features in WM
and those in WLM that there are features in one that aren't in the
other. I'm also pretty sure your list showing a comparison of features
of differences between the two e-mail client would show WLM as having
more features than WM.

Sure, it's well known BLOATware no one asked for. Why would the average
person need all those features? If they were so popular people wouldn't be
trying to get WM to work on W7.

A lot of the resistance that I see toward WLM (other than regarding v15
and its screwup regarding lack of proper quoting in replies) is due to
Microsoft's desire to push everyone to their ribbon bar scheme. Lots of
users don't like that new GUI. They also don't like it in the
components of Office 2010. That's a usability issue, not a features
issue.

Yeah, what's with this ribbon bar anyway? It's just more crap to dig
through and around to use the program.

It sounds like your complaint about WLM regards your lack of familiarity
with it, not its features. That you couldn't locate the rules didn't
obviate they are there. That it didn't work with one of your Gmail
account points to a bad configuration of that account in the e-mail
client (a whole separate issue than whether WLM is better or worse than
WM). WLM *does* work with Gmail accounts.

I know that since there are three gmail accounts on there now, and they
work. One keeps getting the password-rejected error and I've reinstalled the
info several times now. I don't think lack of familiarity is causing old
deleted emails from last year to keep downloading. I hope it stops because
there is no way to delete more than 3 at a time despite what someone wrote
here. And they delete very slowly.


Selecting messages in WLM is

the same as you select files in Windows Explorer, so it is your
unfamiliarity with selecting multiple files using Shift+click or
Ctrl+click or Ctrl+A in Windows Explorer that also gets exhibited in
WLM.

It doesn't work that way in WLM. Only 3 at a time will "darken" to be
deleted. After the first 3 are Shift+Clicked, the rest will not darken to
be deleted.

That you cannot figure out how to do a search on messages that

meet some criteria, like a date range, doesn't obviate that the feature
is there for you to search on matching messages and then delete them all
using Ctrl+A in the search dialog.

How do I get more than 2 or 3 emails to show in the email window and darken
when clicked on? They're very large and only 3 to 4 can be seen at a time
in the window, unlike OE or WM. What you're describing can be done in OE
and WM but not the version of WLM I have. I have spent time with WLM and
can't get the emails to not be open when down loaded. They're all open and
can't be deleted as they are in WM or OE. How do I get them to ***stay
closed until clicked on?***

It does have rules. It does clauses for rules to prevent downloading
messages over a specified maximum size. It does work with Gmail.

Yes, I found the rule.

It

does let you select multiple messages or get a list via a search to then
perform some action on them, like delete them. So far, your complaints
with WLM are about your inexperience with it. No, I don't use WLM (I
have Outlook 2003 as my local e-mail client) but I've trialed the
product and can do research on it (reading or testing in virtual
machine) to find the features you claim are missing.

Great.... how do I get the email to download CLOSED until I click on them to
open them? Closed like in WM so I can delete them quickly or in a group?
They download already OPEN and on or two take up the whole pane.

Inexperience doesn't qualify a product as worse. It merely exposes a
preference to use what you already learned or an unwillingness to
[expend the time to] learn something different.

I have spent hours trying to get WLM to work correctly and download messages
CLOSED until clicked on, and how to delete them in bunches at a time which
isn't possible when they download OPEN already and only a few can be seen
unlike in WM and OE. If I could find helpfiles that explain how to do these
things it would help. I am unable to read the minds of software writers.

How many is "so many websites" devoted (not really) to instructing how
to get WM working in Windows 7? How many of those are merely
duplicating information they discovered by searching the Internet?
Duplicity and plagarism is rampant in Internet. Few credit from where
they found the sources for the content of their "article". That you can
find many sites proliferating the same information hardly qualifies them
as independent sources. Just look around at your circle of friend,
family, and coworkers. How many of them have bothered migrating or
enabling WM under Windows 7? Because it is something you want then
suddenly it becomes a large populace of other users wanting the same.

I haven't asked them so can't say. Since they know less about computers than
I do, I doubt any would manage it. I haven't had time to sit down with
those in the office to discuss it. Anyway, their main complaints were not so
much about email anyway, and I doubt they use Usenet, it was all the
Permissions and Trusted Installer security popup BS that they mainly found
infuriating and aggravating... and I have to agree with them once confronted
by the same annoyances. Those in the family really into computers have
already switched to Macs so I have no idea what they use for email and none
ever mentioned Usenet.

 

[RH Breener]

Megaupload has been in the news recently. They've been shut down.
Details at <http://www.megaupload.com/>.

One of the main reasons I save everything to flash drives. Any of those
services could be shut down or close at any time.

I've had no problem sending some pretty large files to people through email.
When I had thousands of MP3s to sent to a family member on the east cost, I
burned them to DVDs and shipped them for a few bucks.

 

[RH Breener]

I just purchased an under-dash 8-track player, although
admittedly, it is for my classic 1965 van. Tapes are still
easy to find, online, or fleamarkets/yard/garage sales.

I saw plenty of them in the Goodwill stores where I buy my new stash of used
books every few months. :^)

 

[RH Breener]

You need a short 101 course at a Community College or a very patient
friend to sit with you. You seem to be missing most of the basics, yet
you want to circumvent as much as possible the security that's in
place to protect users like you. That's not a good recipe for success.

The community colleges here don't teach people how to use things like WLM.
I lack the basics in WLM, yes, I agree since it's not intuitive and is quite
different than OE or WM.

The popups are going to protect me from what? The boogeyman? :^)
Security is another matter. I've been online for 16 years and had my
antivirus software pick up something every few years. Or block some
freeware I was about to download or install in the past. I also run things
like Spybot and other anti scumware monthly to pick up what the anti-virus
software misses. I don't click on links in email etc. I don't need Big
Brother running my PC with permissions and TrustedInstalles as he sees fit.

 

[RH Breener]

Seamonkey will import and use correctly all e-mail and usenet settings
from Thunderbird, in a totally seamless way, and also uses the same
settings file format at Firefox, although I've not yet found an easy way
to import book marks from Firefox, which is why it got installed, tried
and uninstalled.

I'll give it a try John, thanks.