Need help finding a specific support article on basic fundamentals

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Ken Springer

Hi, Ken! I wasn't able to find an article that plausibly matched
your criteria, but a Google search for "relocating application data"
(no quotes) produced a bunch of good information that might make a
21st-century bookmark.
On the todo list now. But I don't remember ever searching on
"relocating application data" as that's something I don't attempt.
Relocating user data is something I regularly do.

As I work on this, the gut feeling is forming that I probably saw it in
some article on organizing the hard drives as part of a backup strategy
than anything else.

My butt is sure getting tired, though! LOL


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Ken

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K

Ken Springer

You forgot Atari Basic. I used that on an Atari 800 to do the
programming class I mentioned. Still have 2 800's. :)
Let's not forget Basic on Apple ][ and other hobby computers of that
era.

No, I take it back. I'd prefer to forget it :)

I also have programmed in Basic on Palm PDAs, but (obviously) not
recently...
I'm not sure you can class the Apple ][, Atari 800, and Commodore 64 as
strictly hobby computers. Lots of people were running businesses on
them, and I have a complete small business package written in Atari
Basic for my Atari 800.


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K

Ken Springer

What was it again that it described?
Copied from my original post:

"For years, I've been telling everyone that would listen, a smarter data
storage model is to put the user's data on a drive other than C:\.
Doing so would mean quicker reinstallation of the operating system if
needed, smaller boot drive/partition making back ups of that partition
faster, better protection of your documents from malware, etc.

"And, of course, I take hits all the time with people telling me that's
not necessary.

"During the web searching, I stumbled upon an MS article that, buried in
the text of the article, is exactly what I've been saying all these
years. Now that I want to reference this article, download it in fact,
I can't find it. It clearly stated that for some users, storage of data
somewhere other than C:\ was beneficial."


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Ken

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M

Michel S.

Googling with:
"relocating userdate to another partition"

took me to a ZDNet article that seems v.closely related.

Mike Savage
 
M

Michel S.

Please correct ;userdate" to 'userdata"


Googling with:
"relocating userdate to another partition"

took me to a ZDNet article that seems v.closely related.

Mike Savage
 
G

Gene E. Bloch

On 3/28/13 3:50 AM, richard wrote:
On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 03:37:57 +0000, Good Guy wrote:

Basic fundamentals?

Are you looking for info about the "basic" computer language? Please
clarify. There used to be a language called Basic in Dos environment
and now it is called visual basic. You can download it free of charge
from Microsoft website. Look/Search for Express Edition.

Good luck.



How does his question relate to the BASIC computer language?

Back in the day of the Atari 400, which I had, it used GW basic.
MS-Dos BASIC was kind of so so.
Then along came basic 4.5 which took BASIC into the next level, and it
vanished into thin air.
Visual Basic was and is a higher level version with a lot more bells and
whistles.
But about the only place you can use it today is with IE.

Then, there is Liberty Basic, which I love, and it works quite well in
windows with no Dos required.

You forgot Atari Basic. I used that on an Atari 800 to do the
programming class I mentioned. Still have 2 800's. :)
Let's not forget Basic on Apple ][ and other hobby computers of that
era.

No, I take it back. I'd prefer to forget it :)

I also have programmed in Basic on Palm PDAs, but (obviously) not
recently...
I'm not sure you can class the Apple ][, Atari 800, and Commodore 64 as
strictly hobby computers. Lots of people were running businesses on
them, and I have a complete small business package written in Atari
Basic for my Atari 800.
You added the word strictly...

I didn't mean to imply it.
 
G

Gene E. Bloch

Searching on various phrases before posting here had come up blank. I'm
hoping that, in the middle of the night during a deep sleep, a bright
light goes off and I remember where it is! LOL
Be willing to let it go for more than just one day :)

It's amazing how much taking *more than one* day off helps.

Here's an oddity. Recently, I was trying to no avail to recall the name
of a certain music club in San Francisco. About three days later, in a
magazine I saw a picture of someplace in Indonesia, and in the
background was a building with a similar name. Bingo!

The one in the picture was a business, not a music venue, but what the
heck.
 
K

Ken Springer

On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 06:39:13 -0600, Ken Springer wrote:

On 3/28/13 3:50 AM, richard wrote:
On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 03:37:57 +0000, Good Guy wrote:

Basic fundamentals?

Are you looking for info about the "basic" computer language? Please
clarify. There used to be a language called Basic in Dos environment
and now it is called visual basic. You can download it free of charge
from Microsoft website. Look/Search for Express Edition.

Good luck.



How does his question relate to the BASIC computer language?

Back in the day of the Atari 400, which I had, it used GW basic.
MS-Dos BASIC was kind of so so.
Then along came basic 4.5 which took BASIC into the next level, and it
vanished into thin air.
Visual Basic was and is a higher level version with a lot more bells and
whistles.
But about the only place you can use it today is with IE.

Then, there is Liberty Basic, which I love, and it works quite well in
windows with no Dos required.

You forgot Atari Basic. I used that on an Atari 800 to do the
programming class I mentioned. Still have 2 800's. :)

Let's not forget Basic on Apple ][ and other hobby computers of that
era.

No, I take it back. I'd prefer to forget it :)

I also have programmed in Basic on Palm PDAs, but (obviously) not
recently...
I'm not sure you can class the Apple ][, Atari 800, and Commodore 64 as
strictly hobby computers. Lots of people were running businesses on
them, and I have a complete small business package written in Atari
Basic for my Atari 800.
You added the word strictly...

I didn't mean to imply it.
Tis true, I did. My bad.


--
Ken

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Firefox 19.0.2
Thunderbird 17.0.4
LibreOffice 3.6.5.2
 
G

Gene E. Bloch

On 3/28/13 12:37 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 06:39:13 -0600, Ken Springer wrote:

On 3/28/13 3:50 AM, richard wrote:
On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 03:37:57 +0000, Good Guy wrote:

Basic fundamentals?

Are you looking for info about the "basic" computer language? Please
clarify. There used to be a language called Basic in Dos environment
and now it is called visual basic. You can download it free of charge
from Microsoft website. Look/Search for Express Edition.

Good luck.



How does his question relate to the BASIC computer language?

Back in the day of the Atari 400, which I had, it used GW basic.
MS-Dos BASIC was kind of so so.
Then along came basic 4.5 which took BASIC into the next level, and it
vanished into thin air.
Visual Basic was and is a higher level version with a lot more bells and
whistles.
But about the only place you can use it today is with IE.

Then, there is Liberty Basic, which I love, and it works quite well in
windows with no Dos required.

You forgot Atari Basic. I used that on an Atari 800 to do the
programming class I mentioned. Still have 2 800's. :)

Let's not forget Basic on Apple ][ and other hobby computers of that
era.

No, I take it back. I'd prefer to forget it :)

I also have programmed in Basic on Palm PDAs, but (obviously) not
recently...

I'm not sure you can class the Apple ][, Atari 800, and Commodore 64 as
strictly hobby computers. Lots of people were running businesses on
them, and I have a complete small business package written in Atari
Basic for my Atari 800.
You added the word strictly...

I didn't mean to imply it.
Tis true, I did. My bad.
Not so bad. Also, I just wanted to be picky :)
 
C

Char Jackson

Thanks, Larry, but no luck with these.

I've spent most of the day, going though my bookmarks and history, and
so far with no luck. :-(

I'll get them all checked before I give up this route. Bet it's driving
my ISP nuts! LOL
Why would they care? Are they helping you look?
 
K

Ken Springer

On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 17:33:42 -0600, Ken Springer wrote:

On 3/28/13 12:37 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 06:39:13 -0600, Ken Springer wrote:

On 3/28/13 3:50 AM, richard wrote:
On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 03:37:57 +0000, Good Guy wrote:

Basic fundamentals?

Are you looking for info about the "basic" computer language? Please
clarify. There used to be a language called Basic in Dos environment
and now it is called visual basic. You can download it free of charge
from Microsoft website. Look/Search for Express Edition.

Good luck.



How does his question relate to the BASIC computer language?

Back in the day of the Atari 400, which I had, it used GW basic.
MS-Dos BASIC was kind of so so.
Then along came basic 4.5 which took BASIC into the next level, and it
vanished into thin air.
Visual Basic was and is a higher level version with a lot more bells and
whistles.
But about the only place you can use it today is with IE.

Then, there is Liberty Basic, which I love, and it works quite well in
windows with no Dos required.

You forgot Atari Basic. I used that on an Atari 800 to do the
programming class I mentioned. Still have 2 800's. :)

Let's not forget Basic on Apple ][ and other hobby computers of that
era.

No, I take it back. I'd prefer to forget it :)

I also have programmed in Basic on Palm PDAs, but (obviously) not
recently...

I'm not sure you can class the Apple ][, Atari 800, and Commodore 64 as
strictly hobby computers. Lots of people were running businesses on
them, and I have a complete small business package written in Atari
Basic for my Atari 800.

You added the word strictly...

I didn't mean to imply it.
Tis true, I did. My bad.
Not so bad. Also, I just wanted to be picky :)
LOL

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Ken

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Firefox 19.0.2
Thunderbird 17.0.4
LibreOffice 3.6.5.2
 
K

Ken Springer

Why would they care? Are they helping you look?
No humor at your end tonight?

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Thunderbird 17.0.4
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J

J. P. Gilliver (John)

Gene E. Bloch said:
On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 17:33:42 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: []
I'm not sure you can class the Apple ][, Atari 800, and Commodore 64 as
strictly hobby computers. Lots of people were running businesses on
them, and I have a complete small business package written in Atari
Basic for my Atari 800.

You added the word strictly...

I didn't mean to imply it.
Tis true, I did. My bad.
Not so bad. Also, I just wanted to be picky :)
People ran businesses (at least, retail outlets) on the most surprising
things; I definitely remember having a receipt (though don't remember
making the purchase) for something that was on the silver (aluminium
powder) coated black paper that could only have come from the Sinclair
printer used with the Spectrum and ZX81 (and '80 I think). [It worked by
burning off the powder to reveal the black paper underneath.] I have the
_feeling_ that it was the earlier machine, rather than the Spectrum,
that the business in question used.

(Stroke of genius [IMO] how Sinclair did the printing: they just slowed
down the video output! OK, you lost screen while printing was going on.
Made for a very simple - and thus cheap, and affordable by many -
printer mechanism, though. [No, I never owned any Sinclair kit, apart
from a frequency meter, but I did admire a lot of their tricks: probably
things that many hated and despised, but there were some truly lateral
thinking aspects to some things they did, such as IMO the printing
described above.])
 
K

Ken Springer

Sorry, I didn't recognize it as such.
No problem, Char. Simply points up the shortcomings of text only
communication.


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K

Ken Springer

I'm sure there are people grumbling about the title/subject here, but
more specificity would probably be counter productive.

The question applies to all versions of Windows, probably starting with
Windows 95. I'm posting in the Windows 7 area as I was researching Win
7 items when I found the support article I'm now looking for and cannot
find.

Over the last two months, I've been researching Win 7's libraries,
document relocation, and system backup (not system restore points).

For years, I've been telling everyone that would listen, a smarter data
storage model is to put the user's data on a drive other than C:\.
Doing so would mean quicker reinstallation of the operating system if
needed, smaller boot drive/partition making back ups of that partition
faster, better protection of your documents from malware, etc.

And, of course, I take hits all the time with people telling me that's
not necessary.

During the web searching, I stumbled upon an MS article that, buried in
the text of the article, is exactly what I've been saying all these
years. Now that I want to reference this article, download it in fact,
I can't find it. It clearly stated that for some users, storage of data
somewhere other than C:\ was beneficial.

I thought I'd bookmarked it, but apparently not. Neither can I find it
listed in my browser's history. :-(

I thought it might be in the technet area, but I haven't found it there
either.

Does this ring a bell with anyone's memory? It's there somewhere! LOL
In an earlier post in this thread, I wrote "99% sure is was a Microsoft
site. Leaving the other 1% to the possible failure of human memory! LOL"

The 1% struck. It's not on the web AFAIK. Possibly in the technical
articles at Microsoft, and stated differently. My plan today was to
read those articles, but after Skyping with a friend, she told me where
it was. I'd emailed the information to her earlier.

The info I was looking for is in Windows 7 Inside Out, Microsoft Press,
Library of Congress Control Number 23009932321, pages 363-364.

Here's the text I was looking for:

**********************************

Relocating Personal Data Folders

Although the organizational scheme that Windows has adopted for personal
data folders— the 11 visible subfolders of %UserProfile% (see Figure 8-5
on page 275)—is suitable for many users, the scheme has one potential
defect: it combines data and system files on the same physical volume .
For a variety of reasons, some users prefer to separate their documents
and other profile data . These reasons might include the following:

â— Large collections of data, particular digital media files, have a
way of overwhelming the available space on system volumes, eventually
necessitating their removal and relocation to a separate, larger volume.
â— Separating data from system files makes restoration easier in the
event of system corruption (for example, by malware).
â— Separation reduces the size and time devoted to image backups,
encouraging their regular use.
â— Separation can make it easier, when the time comes, to upgrade the
operating system.

In earlier versions of the operating system, we routinely recommended
that users accomplish this separation by relocating their user profile
subfolders . In Windows 7, an alternative makes equally good sense:
store personal data in folders on a separate volume, and then include
those folders in your libraries . (For information about using
libraries, see “Work
ing with Libraries†on page 282 .) This approach
leaves you with a default set of profile folders, which you can still
use when it’s convenient to do so, but it keeps the bulk of your
personal information in a separate place .

**********************************

I like the phrase, "the scheme has one potential defect..." :)

My thanks and apologies to those that spent their time trying to find
this for me by looking in the wrong place.


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Ken

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Thunderbird 17.0.4
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G

Gene E. Bloch

Gene E. Bloch said:
On 3/28/13 6:59 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 17:33:42 -0600, Ken Springer wrote: []
I'm not sure you can class the Apple ][, Atari 800, and Commodore 64 as
strictly hobby computers. Lots of people were running businesses on
them, and I have a complete small business package written in Atari
Basic for my Atari 800.

You added the word strictly...

I didn't mean to imply it.

Tis true, I did. My bad.
Not so bad. Also, I just wanted to be picky :)
People ran businesses (at least, retail outlets) on the most surprising
things; I definitely remember having a receipt (though don't remember
making the purchase) for something that was on the silver (aluminium
powder) coated black paper that could only have come from the Sinclair
printer used with the Spectrum and ZX81 (and '80 I think). [It worked by
burning off the powder to reveal the black paper underneath.] I have the
_feeling_ that it was the earlier machine, rather than the Spectrum,
that the business in question used.

(Stroke of genius [IMO] how Sinclair did the printing: they just slowed
down the video output! OK, you lost screen while printing was going on.
Made for a very simple - and thus cheap, and affordable by many -
printer mechanism, though. [No, I never owned any Sinclair kit, apart
from a frequency meter, but I did admire a lot of their tricks: probably
things that many hated and despised, but there were some truly lateral
thinking aspects to some things they did, such as IMO the printing
described above.])
I did won a Sinclair Z-80 computer (still have it!), but I didn't know
they were so clever :)

Clever = klug in German; there are those who think that kludge comes
from that word, although my dictionary doesn't think that.

There are other translations of klug and clever, of course, but they
don't help here :)
 
G

Gene E. Bloch

I like the phrase, "the scheme has one potential defect..." :)
:)

My thanks and apologies to those that spent their time trying to find
this for me by looking in the wrong place.
Heck, that's what Usenet is all about.

For my part (especially since I didn't help at all!), no apology is
needed...
 

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