Multi posting v.s. Crossposting ?


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Pfsszxt

I've been knocked around a bit for "multi-posting"
rather than "cross posting" (If I have the terms
correct.
I'm using Free Agent (but it'll be gone in a few days)
and Outlook Express.
I'm not aware of having a choice -- or is it in thge way I write
the "Newsgroups" entry
 
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richard

I've been knocked around a bit for "multi-posting"
rather than "cross posting" (If I have the terms
correct.
I'm using Free Agent (but it'll be gone in a few days)
and Outlook Express.
I'm not aware of having a choice -- or is it in thge way I write
the "Newsgroups" entry
"multi" and "cross" are virtually the same thing.
either is done by adding a second newsgroup to the groups list.
that is not done for you. YOU add the groups.
which is done simply by adding a comma.
group1,group2
People bitch when they see in the groups list, groups that are not of the
same topic.

Multi posting though to some may mean that you are posting the same content
individually to other groups over and over. Which is sometimes called spam.

In this case, you just simply posted to the wrong newsgroup.
As your question had nothing to do with windows 7.
 
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Guest

richard said:
"multi" and "cross" are virtually the same thing.
either is done by adding a second newsgroup to the groups list.
that is not done for you. YOU add the groups.
which is done simply by adding a comma.
group1,group2
People bitch when they see in the groups list, groups that are not of the
same topic.

Multi posting though to some may mean that you are posting the same
content
individually to other groups over and over. Which is sometimes called
spam.

In this case, you just simply posted to the wrong newsgroup.
As your question had nothing to do with windows 7.
No this is not the issue --- I do that all the time. "They" --
the complainaints-- claim that by my "multiposting" they cannot respond to
\all the posted groups with one response.
 
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Beauregard T. Shagnasty

richard said:
"multi" and "cross" are virtually the same thing.
either is done by adding a second newsgroup to the groups list.
that is not done for you. YOU add the groups.
which is done simply by adding a comma.
group1,group2 People bitch when they see in the groups list, groups that
are not of the same topic.

Multi posting though to some may mean that you are posting the same
content individually to other groups over and over. Which is sometimes
called spam.

In this case, you just simply posted to the wrong newsgroup.
As your question had nothing to do with windows 7.
If anyone needs a lesson in what multi- and cross-posting is, it seems to
be you, RtS. From your once-again incorrect advice, it is obvious you
don't know the difference.

Pfsszxt, don't pay any attention to any advice from richard the sto0pid.
 
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Bruce Hagen

I've been knocked around a bit for "multi-posting"
rather than "cross posting" (If I have the terms
correct.
I'm using Free Agent (but it'll be gone in a few days)
and Outlook Express.
I'm not aware of having a choice -- or is it in thge way I write
the "Newsgroups" entry


Cross posting, (preferred), is including all the groups in one post. Multi
posting is sending a separate post to each group.


Using OE, when you start a new post, click on Newsgroups at the left of what
would be the To field in an e-mail. This will reveal all the groups you are
subscribed to. Just double click on each one the same as you would add
multiple recipients to an e-mail.
 
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s|b

I've been knocked around a bit for "multi-posting"
rather than "cross posting" (If I have the terms
correct.
I'm using Free Agent (but it'll be gone in a few days)
and Outlook Express.
I'm not aware of having a choice -- or is it in thge way I write
the "Newsgroups" entry
multiposting = posting several (identical) message to several newsgroups

crossposting = posting the same message to several newsgroups at once
Newsgroups: alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8

Both are a PITA (most of the time), but crossposting is supposed to be
the lesser of two evils. If you're crossposting you can create a
follow-up

Newsgroups: alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-8

Followup-To: alt.windows7.general

This way your message is posted to alt.windows7.general and
alt.comp.os.windows-8 and anwsers (called 'follow-up') are posted in
alt.windows7.general (if the poster respects the follow-up setting).
 
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Ken Blake

"multi" and "cross" are virtually the same thing.
either is done by adding a second newsgroup to the groups list.

Sorry, but no, they are not the same.

Cross-posting is addressing a single message to more than one
newsgroup. That's Ok if the number of newsgroups is small and they are
related to each other.

Multi-posting is sending the same message separately to more than one
newsgroup. As far as I'm concerned, that is a very poor thing to do.
Doing so just fragments the thread, so someone who answers in one
newsgroup doesn't always get to see answers from others in another
newsgroup. And for those who read all the newsgroups the message is
multiposted to, they see the message multiple times instead of once
(they would see it only once if you correctly crossposted instead).
This wastes everyone's time, and gets you poorer help than you should
get.

If you must send the same message to more than one newsgroup, please
do so by crossposting -- sending a single message simultaneously to
multiple newsgroups (but only to a *few* related newsgroups).

Please see "Multiposting vs Crossposting" at
http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
 
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Zaphod Beeblebrox

No this is not the issue --- I do that all the time. "They" --
the complainaints-- claim that by my "multiposting" they cannot respond to
\all the posted groups with one response.
Pfsszxt, richard knoweth not what he speaks - not unusual for him.

Cross-posting means the same message goes to multiple groups and (this
is the important part) the list of newsgroups is a part of the message
so that any reply also goes to the same list of groups (unless
specifically told to do differently).

Multi-posting means separate messages (even though they may contain the
same content) went to different groups and each message has a different
list of groups (usually one) so that replies only go to the group that
the original message was sent to.

Good newsreaders, when encountering a cross-posted message,
automatically mark all copies in all newsgroups as read, and send
replies to the original list of groups. This keeps the replies coherent
and threaded and everyone benefits.

On a related topic, do be sure the list of groups is *relevant* to the
post, and keep the list short otherwise it is often considered spam and
can be flagged as such by servers and newsreaders alike.

I'm not familiar with either of the newsreaders you mention, Pfsszxt,
so I can't offer advice on how to make sure you are cross-posting
rather than multi-posting. Hopefully, someone else will come along and
provide that information.

--
Zaphod

Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster: A cocktail based on Janx Spirit.
The effect of one is like having your brain smashed out
by a slice of lemon wrapped round a large gold brick.
 
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CRNG

I've been knocked around a bit for "multi-posting"
rather than "cross posting" (If I have the terms
correct.
I'm using Free Agent (but it'll be gone in a few days)
and Outlook Express.
I'm not aware of having a choice -- or is it in thge way I write
the "Newsgroups" entry
In Free Agent, cross-posting is when you put more than one newsgroup
(separated by comas) in the "Newsgroups:" line.

Multi-posting is when you post the same exact message to more than one
newsgroup, one NG at a time, with a single NG specified in the
Newsgroups: line each time.
 
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Paul

No this is not the issue --- I do that all the time. "They" --
the complainaints-- claim that by my "multiposting" they cannot respond to
\all the posted groups with one response.
Multiposting, means to put a single copy in each newsgroup.
The problem is, when a person answers your question in one group,
people in the other group cannot see that the question is answered.
When they find out you've been wasting their time, they're pissed.
People also don't appreciate it, when you attempt to "play off"
the answerers in Group1 against those in Group2 ("well Joe in
Group 1, told me to pat my head and rub my stomach, and you're
telling me the opposite order").

Group1 Group2

Question #1 Copy of Question #1 sent manually
Good Answer #1 Wasted Answer #2

When you Crosspost, the one message is posted in both groups.
You do that by putting multiple groups in the Newsgroups: field.
Traditionally, they would be comma separated, but in our GUI
world, a typical news client leaves separate lines for them to be entered.
And when the message is sent, the tool will insert the commas
and make a nice looking Newsgroups: line for the sent packet.

Group1 Group2

Question
<------ Crossposted --->

Answer
<------ Crossposted --->

You end up, only having to click Send once. The respondents in
both groups can see "Good Answer #1" and not end up crafting
a redundant response.

You've already done multiposting once, so I don't think
this process is all that mysterious for you. Just make
sure the group(s) you select are appropriate. You wouldn't
seek help with your Colt 45, in the Baking group :) Neither
would you ask for a chocolate chip cookie recipe in a Gun group.

http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=<[email protected]>

Paul
 
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Guest

Ken Blake said:
Sorry, but no, they are not the same.

Cross-posting is addressing a single message to more than one
newsgroup. That's Ok if the number of newsgroups is small and they are
related to each other.

Multi-posting is sending the same message separately to more than one
newsgroup. As far as I'm concerned, that is a very poor thing to do.
Doing so just fragments the thread, so someone who answers in one
newsgroup doesn't always get to see answers from others in another
newsgroup. And for those who read all the newsgroups the message is
multiposted to, they see the message multiple times instead of once
(they would see it only once if you correctly crossposted instead).
This wastes everyone's time, and gets you poorer help than you should
get.

If you must send the same message to more than one newsgroup, please
do so by crossposting -- sending a single message simultaneously to
multiple newsgroups (but only to a *few* related newsgroups).
But my question is: what is the differnce in the "addressing" to get
cross
rather than "multi". I've always simply listed the groups with commas
between;
that's getting the "multi" --what different to get "cross"
 
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Guest

CRNG said:
In Free Agent, cross-posting is when you put more than one newsgroup
(separated by comas) in the "Newsgroups:" line.

This I've always done --- that's getting the complaints of "multi">
 
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Ken Blake

But my question is: what is the differnce in the "addressing" to get
cross
rather than "multi". I've always simply listed the groups with commas
between;
that's getting the "multi" --what different to get "cross"

No, that is not multi-posting. That's cross-posting. Please read my
message quoted above (and the messages from the others who said the
same thing) more carefully.

Multi-posting is sending the same message *separately* to more than
one newsgroup. To multi-post, you send multiple messages, not one
addressed to multiple newsgroups. The content of these multiple
messages is the same, but they are separate messages, not one message
as it would be with crossposting.
 
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Bruce Hagen

multiple newsgroups (but only to a *few* related newsgroups).
But my question is: what is the differnce in the "addressing" to get
cross
rather than "multi". I've always simply listed the groups with commas
between;
that's getting the "multi" --what different to get "cross"


A cross posted message would look like this in the address bar for example:

alt.windows7.general, microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general,
microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop,
microsoft.public.windows.vista.mail, microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
 
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J. P. Gilliver (John)

This I've always done --- that's getting the complaints of "multi">
In which case, your complainants are using the wrong term. *IF* your
list of 'groups are all relevant (possible - I occasionally crosspost -
though unlikely if the list is longer than three or at most four),
ignore them; if not, trim the list to those that are relevant.
(Especially as the thread develops.)

By the way, I'm only seeing _this_ thread in one newsgroup; if it was
sent to more than one, then someone _has_ multiposted.
For the avoidance of doubt - everybody: is there *any* news client which
makes MULTIposting easy? (I hope not, and don't know of any.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)[email protected]+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Our enemies are inventive and resourceful. And so are we. They never stop
thinking of ways to harm out country and our people. And neither do we. -
George
W Bush, quoted by Rory Bremner in Radio Times, 10-16 January 2009
 
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Nil

In which case, your complainants are using the wrong term.
No, they aren't using the wrong term. Mr. Pfsszxt is rather confused.
The complaints are about him multi-posting and NOT cross-posting when
appropriate. Despite what he says, he has NOT been putting multiple
groups on a single message's Newsgroups line.
For the avoidance of doubt - everybody: is there *any* news client
which makes MULTIposting easy? (I hope not, and don't know of
any.)
I don't think there are any. With every newsreader I've ever seen you
have to start a new message from scratch each time or call up a Sent or
archived copy and re-address and send it. I'm sure there are spam
creation/sending programs that automate multi-posting for that purpose.
Outlook Express and Free Agent won't do it.
 
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