moving files in Win7 pro

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Paul

P.N said:
Wolf K said:
On 20/11/2011 1:41 PM, P.N, wrote:
[...]

Ok, let's start over: Describe your system exactly:

- Desktop/laptop, make and model?
it is a Laptop, Toshiba satelite pro C650
- is D: a separate disk, or merely a partition on the same disk as C:?
C and D is on the same disk

- is D: the rescue/repair partition?
D ís the rescue/repair partition

- what size is C:? what size is D:?
- anything else you can think of?
The SSD is 64GB, and partition size is fifty fifty it would have been great
if I could control the sizes but it has sofar not been possible, I used
EASEUS partition master and Acronis true image home.
Also:
Have you deleted unwanted data lately? If not, I'd do that, for two
reasons: a) it will create space on C:. And b) it will reduce the amount
of data to be moved/copied.
HTH
Wolf K.
No
So the first question then, is what happened when you moved the contents
of the 320GB drive to the 64GB SSD.

This is my Windows 7 Acer laptop, with hard drive.

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/3852/acerdisk.gif

The PowerQuest Partition Table Editor picture, is done with a free tool
from the former PowerQuest company which was bought out. You can download
a copy here.

ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/tools/pq/utilities/PTEDIT32.zip

Unzip that, right click "ptedit32.exe" and select "Run as administrator". If
you don't run it as administrator, it reports "error 5" when you run it.

The only value it's contributing here, is to show the recovery partition
on my laptop is type 27, or "hidden NTFS". Partition type definitions
are here, and 27 is "PQservice" in this case.

http://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/partitions/partition_types-1.html

Now, when you prepared the 64GB SSD, you likely didn't copy that, and
instead just copied visible partitions. That would result in up to
three partitions, such as (guessing)

SYSTEM RESERVED
C:
D:

When working with an SSD, you *always* have a backup, due to the
flaky nature of SSDs. Some of them, have a knack of "disappearing"
overnight. They don't whine about life, like a hard drive might,
before they die. Most likely reason to die, is not flash chip
wearout, but a data structure failure or a firmware bug of some
sort.

In the situation with three partitions, especially on a small SSD,
you could simply copy the files from D: to an external USB drive,
delete D:, then use your favorite partition manager (or even Disk
Management) to extend C: to the right.

If the order was like this, we'd have the "hole" problem. Moving files
off D: to a safe place, and then deleting D:, would require the
services of a real partition manager, to move C: to the left,
followed by extending the right end of C: to fill the disk.

SYSTEM RESERVED
D:
C:

The end result would look like this.

SYSTEM RESERVED
C:

You'd then copy the data from the former D: on the external drive,
as required into C:.

Now, if you'd somehow put Program folders into D:, that wouldn't
be very good, and would invalidate this plan. I don't know if
Windows 7 encourages such a practice or not. Due to the "store"
concept and "hard linking" of things, you'd think it wouldn't be
quite as easy to support properly, as it might have been in a
previous OS. Hard linking doesn't work across partitions.

With 64GB total, you don't really have the luxury of chopping it into
tiny tiny partitions, as it just tends to shoot you in the foot.

To save space on the SSD, you can disable System Restore. And the
Help menu can provide the details.

With only 64GB to work with, there isn't too much point to
running both a C: and a D:. Based on my own experience here,
I'm managing to run with a 40GB C:, but with System Restore
turned off. So you could split your partitions 40GB and 24GB for
example, but I'm not sure that's such a big win. You save a little time
on backups I suppose. Leaving it split, might speed up an AV
scan. There still might be occasions, where the small space for
C: causes a few issues.

Before doing anything though, I'd want to run chkdsk, and
see if chkdsk sees any problems. At least one partitioning
tool I use, likes to run chkdsk itself, before doing the
command you ask for.

Paul
 
B

Bob I

Not possible
Sounds like time to enroll in a local Community Education course. This
operating system file management is not that dissimilar to Windows 95.
If it is giving you that much trouble, it's time for a little hands on
learning.
 
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Wolf K

Wolf K said:
On 20/11/2011 1:41 PM, P.N, wrote:
[...]

Ok, let's start over: Describe your system exactly:

- Desktop/laptop, make and model?
it is a Laptop, Toshiba satellite pro C650
What's the suffix? -LT by any chance?
C and D is on the same disk
That's what I thought. ;-)
D ís the rescue/repair partition
That's what I thought. ;-) I suspect this partition is protracted (it
wouldn't be much good as rescue/repair partition if you could mess with
it, right?). So you can't write anything to it.
The SSD is 64GB, and partition size is fifty fifty it would have been great
if I could control the sizes but it has sofar not been possible, I used
EASEUS partition master and Acronis true image home.
If D: is protected, you can't change its size. Also, and more
importantly, you can't change the size of a full partition. AFAIK, this
is because to change the size, some data has to be stored temporarily in
empty space, but you haven't got any.

BTW, you can buy a 250GB SSD as an upgrade for your computer, but that's
not a DIY project. See: this website for more:
http://www.crucial.com/store/mpartspecs.aspx?mtbpoid=35C0A097A5CA7304
Suggestions:

a) For what you want to do, IMO your best bet is to buy an external
drive. 250GB and larger drives are available for $100 or less these
days. You can get neat little portable drives smaller than a deck of
cards. I bought two 500GB pocket-size drives for $99.99 Canadian each at
The Source a while back.

b) In any case, get in the habit of burning data to DVD. If that means
buying an external DVD drive/burner, get one. Bonus: you can use it with
any computer.

c) Since you have so little space on your SSD, delete/uninstall
everything off your machine that you don't absolutely have to have.
Investigate Portable Apps: http://portableapps.com/ You can isntall the
full suite, or selected programs. They say:
* Make every PC feel like your own
* Use your favorite software everywhere
* Carry your bookmarks and settings
* Edit your documents, photos and more
I have a 16GB flash drive with the suite, has come in handy a couple of
times (I created an e-mail account (=address) just for it, that way I
don't have to worry about syncing it to my regular account.)

d) If you bought your laptop at a local shop such as Staples, take it
there, and ask about upgrades to larger SSDs (see above)

HTH,
Wolf K.
 
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Wolf K

That's what I thought. ;-) I suspect this partition is protracted (it
wouldn't be much good as rescue/repair partition if you could mess with
it, right?). So you can't write anything to it.
GAAH, should read ".. is protected..."

Wolf K.
 
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Vic RR Garcia

You're right. I am sure I tried this before and it didn't work. Maybe it
was with XP.

Maybe those aliens got to my memory. Where _did_ I put that tin hat? :)
It's an option; Folder Options > Manage Web pages.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

You're right. I am sure I tried this before and it didn't work. Maybe
it was with XP.

Maybe those aliens got to my memory. Where _did_ I put that tin hat? :)
When I'm not using it, I keep mine in a locked closet in my bomb shelter
to prevent theft. Maybe yours is in a similar place :)

Vic RR Garcia says the behavior is an option. Worth knowing (and
obviously I left mine at the default setting without even knowing about
it).

Or maybe not. It's not in my Folder Options.
 
J

Jeff Layman

When I'm not using it, I keep mine in a locked closet in my bomb shelter
to prevent theft. Maybe yours is in a similar place :)

Vic RR Garcia says the behavior is an option. Worth knowing (and
obviously I left mine at the default setting without even knowing about
it).

Or maybe not. It's not in my Folder Options.
Not in mine, either. I'm on Home Premium; maybe it's an option in Pro
or Ultimate.
 
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Char Jackson

You're right. I am sure I tried this before and it didn't work. Maybe
it was with XP.
XP has an option in Folder Options, View tab, to manage web files as a
group or individually. I changed it long ago and don't remember what
the default was.
 
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Char Jackson

Sounds like time to enroll in a local Community Education course. This
operating system file management is not that dissimilar to Windows 95.
If it is giving you that much trouble, it's time for a little hands on
learning.
I fully agree. If the most basic file management operations are
confusing to the OP, it's time to get hands-on help.
 
C

Char Jackson

The simpler method would be to use the xcopy command at the Command
Prompt. It can copy and remove files or it can just copy the files onto
another drive retaining the folder structure on the original drive.
After a successful Xcopy operation without deletion of the original
files, the folders (together with the files therein) can be easily
deleted and provide fodder for the Recycle Bin which can be emptied at
will.
Compared to the menu-driven GUI of Windows Explorer, there's no way
that the OP, who seems to take "inexperienced" to a whole new level,
will be comfortable with the Command Prompt. No way at all.
 
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choro

Compared to the menu-driven GUI of Windows Explorer, there's no way
that the OP, who seems to take "inexperienced" to a whole new level,
will be comfortable with the Command Prompt. No way at all.
Oh, I must say I DO love this expression of taking "inexperienced" to a
whole new level.

Brilliant. I must include it in my file of Quotable Quotes!

I have a friend like that who, if there are a dozen ways of doing
something that will work properly, has a knack of using the 13th way
which will mess things up. And talking to somebody who is also
interested in computers and computing, he said that this chap was just
what software developers needed to test their software on! ;-)
-- choro
 
V

Vic RR Garcia

I'm in Pro, so we're reduced to the Ultimate.
Well.... error 404 ... memory NOT found ... mine, not yours
You are right, is not in Win 7, it's on XP.

Just fire my laptop with Win7 Pro, not there, Backup server with Win7
Ultimate, neither .... so apparently that feature did not made it pass XP.
Aliens, or old age or both ... they got my memory.
 
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Ed Cryer

Oh, I must say I DO love this expression of taking "inexperienced" to a
whole new level.

Brilliant. I must include it in my file of Quotable Quotes!

I have a friend like that who, if there are a dozen ways of doing
something that will work properly, has a knack of using the 13th way
which will mess things up. And talking to somebody who is also
interested in computers and computing, he said that this chap was just
what software developers needed to test their software on! ;-)
-- choro
Having worked for many years in software development I can approve the idea.
I had the habit of letting more experienced users do the system testing.
They talked our language. But, of course, clerical staff have a large
turnover and there are always new, untrained ones coming along.

Some of the things that happened were almost beyond belief; but they did
happen quite regularly.
And that is about employed people; ones who've been recruited and
approved by employers.
With a modern home computer anybody at all could be behind the mouse &
keyboard. They've not been vetted by management; they have "rights" and
a bit of money, and they want to stake their claim in cyber-space.

Ed
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Well.... error 404 ... memory NOT found ... mine, not yours
You are right, is not in Win 7, it's on XP.
Just fire my laptop with Win7 Pro, not there, Backup server with Win7
Ultimate, neither .... so apparently that feature did not made it pass XP.
Aliens, or old age or both ... they got my memory.
Nah, it's just that you do so much with so many configurations that
something is bound to get lost.

That's *my* excuse, at least...
 
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Char Jackson

Oh, I must say I DO love this expression of taking "inexperienced" to a
whole new level.

Brilliant. I must include it in my file of Quotable Quotes!
That's a first for me, I believe, to have said something that someone
thinks is clever enough to save. You're welcome to use it, with or
without attribution. Thanks.
 
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Ian Jackson

"P.N said:
Sorry not possible
I really do need a better computer, but I'm rather put off by what I've
seen of Windows 7. If W7 really WON'T allow you to carry out a simple
'cut/copy and paste' function, I definitely don't want it!!
 
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Andy Burns

Ian said:
I really do need a better computer, but I'm rather put off by what I've
seen of Windows 7. If W7 really WON'T allow you to carry out a simple
'cut/copy and paste' function, I definitely don't want it!!
I think the O/P was discussing cutting the contents of "C:\Program
Files" and "C:\Windows" then pasting to "D:\" and expecting to still
have a functioning operating system!
 
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Ian Jackson

Andy said:
I think the O/P was discussing cutting the contents of "C:\Program
Files" and "C:\Windows" then pasting to "D:\" and expecting to still
have a functioning operating system!
Phew! That's a relief. [But I still don't like W7.]
 
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Stephen Wolstenholme

I really do need a better computer, but I'm rather put off by what I've
seen of Windows 7. If W7 really WON'T allow you to carry out a simple
'cut/copy and paste' function, I definitely don't want it!!
Cut/copy and paste work perfectly in Windows 7

Steve

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