Microsoft Confirms Botched MS13-057 Windows 7 Update


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s|b

A System Restore point should be adequate backup, no?
System Restore is one of the first things I disable after installing a
new system. I used it once and when I restored it it left several files
and (empty) folders behind. I'd rather take my chances with software
like Macrium Reflect (Free). It even allows me to explore/mount the
image and copy files. You can't do that with System Restore...
 
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s|b

Wait until end of the month when all known bugs would have been ironed
out. Patch Tuesday doesn't mean your machine will stop working until
you patch it up.
I agree with Juan Wei; this will leave you vulnerable. Not a good idea.
 
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s|b

How does MS correct these botched updates? Do they modify the original
leaving the KB no the same or do they issue an update removing the
previous update and issue a new update to redo the job? Or what?
Sorry for the rather basic question! Iv tended to steer clear of most
updating.
Last time M$ removed the KB (2823324) from Windows Updates and advised
its users to uninstall the KB, whether they experienced problems or not.
Later, they released a "fixed" KB.

<https://support.microsoft.com/kb/2839011/en-us>

<quote>

We recommend that customers uninstall security update 2823324 and then
install security update 2840149. This article provides multiple methods
to uninstall the update.

</quote>

This is what a so-called security expert has to say about:
<http://blog.dynamoo.com/2013/07/half-your-video-missing-in-windows.html>

<quote>

If you are experiencing critical problems with missing video, then the
only thing to do seems to be to uninstall the Windows Media Player patch
listed as KB2803821 or KB2834904. If this isn't causing a problem then
you may as well keep the patch in place to protect your system. I would
expect another patch to be re-issued soon.

</quote>
 
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s|b

Hey dude, you don't have to research for anything. Wait for 15 days and
by that time you will hear about the bad ones on these newsgroups or M$
Forums. Rocket science isn't it?
But dude, wouldn't that be a bad idea, being vulnerable and all that? On
Patch Tuesday, M$ shows the world which vulnerabilities there are which
makes it easier for "hackers". After that, those evil dudes can attack
dudes who left their system vulnerable because they want to wait two
weeks before fixing it. It's not rocket science, is it, dude?
 
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Gazoobo

s|b said:
But dude, wouldn't that be a bad idea, being vulnerable and all that? On
Patch Tuesday, M$ shows the world which vulnerabilities there are which
makes it easier for "hackers". After that, those evil dudes can attack
dudes who left their system vulnerable because they want to wait two
weeks before fixing it. It's not rocket science, is it, dude?
On the contrary. It is a very good idea because it will stop you from
visiting all the hard core porn sites for few days. You can resist and
control porn for two weeks cant'you?

Just for interest sake, How many times have you already got hackers on
your machine? It's worth knowing this to calculate the probabilities of
something like that happening within a period of two weeks every month.
 
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gufus

System Restore is one of the first things I disable after installing a
new system. I used it once and when I restored it it left several files
and (empty) folders behind.
Yep.. it notifies of this too, lt is a MAJOR pain in the ass cleaning
up after system restore. IMO
 
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s|b

On the contrary. It is a very good idea because it will stop you from
visiting all the hard core porn sites for few days. You can resist and
control porn for two weeks cant'you?
No need for projection. It's not because you're a pr0n addict that
everybody else is as well. I don't mind though, old geezers like you
need a hobby.
Just for interest sake, How many times have you already got hackers on
your machine? It's worth knowing this to calculate the probabilities of
something like that happening within a period of two weeks every month.
My system hasn't been hacked _AFAIK_ , probably because I keep it
up-to-date. You know: Windows Updates and Secunia PSI and all that... If
all else faills, I have backups.
 
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Char Jackson

10 minutes for Macrium Reflect to create an image of my C: drive (SSD;
26,4 GiB used space) and another 5 minutes to copy it to an external hdd
(USB 3.0).
Could you just create the image on the external HDD and save a step?
 
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Char Jackson

Why? What is an update likely to do that isn't captured in a restore
point?
Perhaps a better question is what else does SR capture and revert when all
you want to do is roll back a single change?

I've never used System Restore and probably never will. In fact, I usually
disable it when I build or acquire a new system because as a user I have no
control over what it does. If I were to use it to roll back one change, what
other changes would come along for the ride? The answer is, it depends, and
that's not nearly good enough for me. YMMV.
 
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Charlie+

Last time M$ removed the KB (2823324) from Windows Updates and advised
its users to uninstall the KB, whether they experienced problems or not.
Later, they released a "fixed" KB.

<https://support.microsoft.com/kb/2839011/en-us>

<quote>

We recommend that customers uninstall security update 2823324 and then
install security update 2840149. This article provides multiple methods
to uninstall the update.

</quote>

This is what a so-called security expert has to say about:
<http://blog.dynamoo.com/2013/07/half-your-video-missing-in-windows.html>

<quote>

If you are experiencing critical problems with missing video, then the
only thing to do seems to be to uninstall the Windows Media Player patch
listed as KB2803821 or KB2834904. If this isn't causing a problem then
you may as well keep the patch in place to protect your system. I would
expect another patch to be re-issued soon.

<
Thanks for this info sjb... C+
 
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s|b

Could you just create the image on the external HDD and save a step?
Although the external hdd is USB 3.0 I think it will be slower to copy
the image directly to it. I tried it once (long time ago) on a USB 2.0
drive and it was very slow. Also, I bet on more than one horse. I'll
keep a copy on my internal drive /and/ on my external drive.
 
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Paul

s|b said:
Although the external hdd is USB 3.0 I think it will be slower to copy
the image directly to it. I tried it once (long time ago) on a USB 2.0
drive and it was very slow. Also, I bet on more than one horse. I'll
keep a copy on my internal drive /and/ on my external drive.
You should try a USB3 enclosure some time. They fly.
Especially if plugged into an actual USB3 connector on the computer.

USB2 hard drives, cap out at around 30MB/sec. That's what
you were seeing. USB1.1 hard drives, only manage 1MB/sec (like
on my old Macintosh). You haven't seen pathetic, until attempting
to transfer files to an older Mac.

A "good" USB3 enclosure chip, has a bandwidth of around 200MB/sec sequential,
sufficient for my new hard drives at 135MB/sec or so. The USB3 no longer
gets in the way of file transfer, like on USB2. The hard drive still
has the same seek time though (slow), and if you were copying 5000 small
files, the net transfer rate (with all that head movement), is in the
low megabytes. But if you copy a DVD movie over USB3 (one single large
file), to a hard drive, you could see that working at the full speed
the hard drive is capable of.

To give a (not very good) example, I own a USB3 32GB key. I don't
have a USB3 connector on any computer. The USB3 key transfers at
35MB/sec using USB2 protocol (somehow, it manages to do better
than the other USB2 keys I own). The device is rated for only 45MB/sec
if plugged into an actual USB3 connector. That's because that particular
key is only $20, and isn't a multichannel type. Some of the fatter
keys, can get close to 100MB/sec in the same scenario (USB3 key to
USB3 computer).

So if investing in a USB3 enclosure, you need the proper add-in card
for an older computer. To make it all work well. And since I only
own one "USB3 peripheral", I haven't bothered buying a card yet.
With a USB3 PCI Express card (two connectors on faceplate),
and a USB3 external hard drive, you should be able to get
well over 100MB/sec. It would be around 200MB/sec, if the
hard drive type used in the enclosure, was an SSD. But SSDs
aren't cost effective for doing backups - a regular hard
drive is cheaper per gigabyte of backup storage.

Paul
 
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Gene E. Bloch

System Restore is one of the first things I disable after installing a
new system. I used it once and when I restored it it left several files
and (empty) folders behind. I'd rather take my chances with software
like Macrium Reflect (Free). It even allows me to explore/mount the
image and copy files. You can't do that with System Restore...
Yes you can.

Look at ShadowExplorer.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

I stand corrected.
I prefer to think of it as you stand newly informed, in case you (and
any other reader) want to make use of that. I see that the way I wrote
the above looks kind of harsh - but I didn't mean it that way.

I have individually retrieved a file or two by using ShadowExplorer on
the System Restore data. It was only a couple of times, but I was sure
glad to be able to do it.
 
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Don P

Microsoft Confirms Botched MS13-057 Windows 7 Update
July 17th, 2013, 06:15 GMT · By Bogdan Popa

Microsoft rolled out another botched update on Patch Tuesday that caused
quite a lot of problems for Windows 7 and Windows XP users.

According to bug reports, the faulty security update has actually broken
down video rendering on Windows XP and 7 computers, so half of the
screen turned black when launching specific applications.

The technology giant has finally acknowledged the issue, saying that it
affects products such as Camtasia Studio, Adobe Premiere Pro, Serif
MoviePlus, and YouTube Movie Maker.
1. I never use MS Office and WinXP lets me configure so as to skip
Office updates. Windows7 appears not to let me ignore Office updates
(or I have failed to find out how thus to configure) so they keep
appearing and keep trying to instal, unless I unselect each.

2. Half a dozen times this month a couple of minutes was wasted
attempting to upload Office updates. After this, I had networking
problems (cheap ISP-supplied router) when System Restore seemed
the quickest way forward. But I then found SR had zero restore
points saved, i.e. it appears repeatedly failing MS Office updates
had somehow wiped all the SR points previously saved (10 to 20 over
a couple of months, whenever I last needed to check, more than two
months ago.)

Has anyone else found unsuccessful updates wiped out saved SR points?
 

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