Help setting up Thunderbird


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Allen Drake

I have installed TB and am trying to configure for newsgroups but I
can't seem to get it right. I am at Server Settings and seem to have
everything right but I see no place to enter my password. In the
server name window I have entered news60.forteinc.com with port 119.
Security settings connection security is set to None but something is
obviously wrong. Can anyone offer some assistance please.

Thanks.

Al
 
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J. P. Gilliver (John)

Allen Drake said:
I have installed TB and am trying to configure for newsgroups but I
can't seem to get it right. I am at Server Settings and seem to have
everything right but I see no place to enter my password. In the
server name window I have entered news60.forteinc.com with port 119.
Security settings connection security is set to None but something is
obviously wrong. Can anyone offer some assistance please.

Thanks.

Al
From what little dealings I've had with TB, there are times when you
just have to go ahead; the first time it tries to fetch anything from
the server (such as the list of newsgroups), a little window pops up to
ask for the password - with a "remember" tickbox, IIRR.
 
A

Allen Drake

From what little dealings I've had with TB, there are times when you
just have to go ahead; the first time it tries to fetch anything from
the server (such as the list of newsgroups), a little window pops up to
ask for the password - with a "remember" tickbox, IIRR.
I can't even get it to receive email after I imported settings from
outlook. It asked me for a PW then and I supplied it but still
nothing. I get no list of newsgroups and no window asking me for
password. I can see all the folders for email full like in outlook but
I can't seem to send or receive any new test messages.
 
A

Andy Burns

J. P. Gilliver (John) said:
the first time it tries to fetch anything from
the server (such as the list of newsgroups), a little window pops up to
ask for the password - with a "remember" tickbox, IIRR.
And if it doesn't ask for password, there's a tick box to force it to
authenticate if the server doesn't ask for it (e.g. eternal september
doesn't force authentication, but you get a a short list of groups
unless you do)

Then you need to right click the account and use "subscribe" to get the
group list.
 
J

J. P. Gilliver (John)

Allen Drake said:
I can't even get it to receive email after I imported settings from
outlook. It asked me for a PW then and I supplied it but still
nothing. I get no list of newsgroups and no window asking me for
password. I can see all the folders for email full like in outlook but
I can't seem to send or receive any new test messages.
Do you get any messages from the server (may appear to be coming from
TB)? Watch like a hawk, at various parts of the screen - bottom left is
popular - as they may appear only briefly. (Alternatively, I don't know
if TB has the facility to make log files: if it does, try that, and
examine them afterwards.)

(Can you _send_ email?) Are there any settings for whether
authentication/encryption is/are required, and if so, what sort? If so,
try them all, though it may take forever to work through all
combinations.

Alternatively, since TB is a pretty common s/w, poke around on the
website of your provider (both mail and news) to see if there's a page
showing how to set it up; most common providers do have such a page.
(Who are your providers? Sounds like you're using forteinc, for news at
least, and I didn't know they were a provider, only of software
[Agent].) Alternatively², there may well be other sites out there -
google for setup Thunderbird forteinc (or whoever) - provided by fellow
"sufferers".
 
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Allen Drake

Allen Drake said:
I can't even get it to receive email after I imported settings from
outlook. It asked me for a PW then and I supplied it but still
nothing. I get no list of newsgroups and no window asking me for
password. I can see all the folders for email full like in outlook but
I can't seem to send or receive any new test messages.
Do you get any messages from the server (may appear to be coming from
TB)? Watch like a hawk, at various parts of the screen - bottom left is
popular - as they may appear only briefly. (Alternatively, I don't know
if TB has the facility to make log files: if it does, try that, and
examine them afterwards.)

(Can you _send_ email?) Are there any settings for whether
authentication/encryption is/are required, and if so, what sort? If so,
try them all, though it may take forever to work through all
combinations.

Alternatively, since TB is a pretty common s/w, poke around on the
website of your provider (both mail and news) to see if there's a page
showing how to set it up; most common providers do have such a page.
(Who are your providers? Sounds like you're using forteinc, for news at
least, and I didn't know they were a provider, only of software
[Agent].) Alternatively², there may well be other sites out there -
google for setup Thunderbird forteinc (or whoever) - provided by fellow
"sufferers".
I got it to send and receive email but nothing in the newsgroup
directory yet. I will do like you suggested and Google.

Thanks.
 
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A

Allen Drake

And if it doesn't ask for password, there's a tick box to force it to
authenticate if the server doesn't ask for it (e.g. eternal september
doesn't force authentication, but you get a a short list of groups
unless you do)

Then you need to right click the account and use "subscribe" to get the
group list.
I am looking for the force feature but nothing so far.
 
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Paul

Allen said:
I am looking for the force feature but nothing so far.
Fourth tick box - "Always Request Authentication"

http://stage.netfaqs.com/windows/mail/mozilla/news/New07.png

Thunderbird should prompt you the first time, for a username
and password. And if you tick the box to remember the info,
you shouldn't have to enter it again. TB does occasionally
"forget" the info, but that happens when the server "rejects"
the information offered. So if the newsserver "farts" as it
does occasionally, TB may request you to type in the password
again. If that happens too often, complain to the admin of
the server to get it fixed. (A server should not be rejecting
valid credentials...)

*******

Is there anything special about news60.forteinc.com ?

Does it work with only Forte Agent, or with any client ?

Paul
 
B

Big Steel

I have installed TB and am trying to configure for newsgroups but I
can't seem to get it right. I am at Server Settings and seem to have
everything right but I see no place to enter my password. In the
server name window I have entered news60.forteinc.com with port 119.
Security settings connection security is set to None but something is
obviously wrong. Can anyone offer some assistance please.

Thanks.

Al
TB won't ask you for a user-id and psw until you try to access the NNTP
server successfully and request the list of NG(s) to subscribe to and
make selections. It will ask you at that time, and it will also ask at
that time if you would like to save the user-id and psw permanently.
This is if you have the settings set correctly to access the NNTP server.

It also does the same thing for POP3 and SMPT that is ask for the
user-id and psw when you have successfully accessed the email server the
first on those protocols.
 
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AlDrake

Fourth tick box - "Always Request Authentication"

http://stage.netfaqs.com/windows/mail/mozilla/news/New07.png

Thunderbird should prompt you the first time, for a username
and password. And if you tick the box to remember the info,
you shouldn't have to enter it again. TB does occasionally
"forget" the info, but that happens when the server "rejects"
the information offered. So if the newsserver "farts" as it
does occasionally, TB may request you to type in the password
again. If that happens too often, complain to the admin of
the server to get it fixed. (A server should not be rejecting
valid credentials...)

*******

Is there anything special about news60.forteinc.com ?

Does it work with only Forte Agent, or with any client ?

Paul
That is the server(APN) that I have been using since I installed Agent
some time ago. It cost $2.99 or so if I remember correctly. It works
with any newsreader it seems.
 
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AlDrake

TB won't ask you for a user-id and psw until you try to access the NNTP
server successfully and request the list of NG(s) to subscribe to and
make selections. It will ask you at that time, and it will also ask at
that time if you would like to save the user-id and psw permanently.
This is if you have the settings set correctly to access the NNTP server.

It also does the same thing for POP3 and SMPT that is ask for the
user-id and psw when you have successfully accessed the email server the
first on those protocols.
I found that out. Thanks. Now if TB only had Rules like Outlook. I
know it can be done but not as easily.
 
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Big Steel

I found that out. Thanks. Now if TB only had Rules like Outlook. I know
it can be done but not as easily.
Well, you should be prepared for TB to lose that user-id and psw on NNTP
from time to time, and it will ask for them when you try to access a NG.
:) The rules I don't bother with as they are weak for sure.

There is a Saved Password button off of Tools/Security/Password where
you can delete user-id and psw for Pop23, SMTP and NNTP and reset for
new entries.
 
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Bob Henson

I found that out. Thanks. Now if TB only had Rules like Outlook. I
know it can be done but not as easily.
Message rules/filters, do you mean? It does have them. In some regards
they are much more flexible than Outlook since you can filter on more
and sometimes customisable factors.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK


You know you're old when "getting lucky" means finding your car in the
car park.
 
A

AlDrake

Well, you should be prepared for TB to lose that user-id and psw on NNTP
from time to time, and it will ask for them when you try to access a NG.
:) The rules I don't bother with as they are weak for sure.

There is a Saved Password button off of Tools/Security/Password where
you can delete user-id and psw for Pop23, SMTP and NNTP and reset for
new entries.
I have been getting returned messages now and I can't figure out why. I
think I will stick with Outlook for the email. I do prefer TB over Agent
7 for Newsgroups.
 
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AlDrake

Message rules/filters, do you mean? It does have them. In some regards
they are much more flexible than Outlook since you can filter on more
and sometimes customisable factors.
Somehow I can't see that. I like Outlook rules that allows you to create
folders and then apply the rules when an email arrives. I have dozens of
folders and never have I gotten wrong messages in any. Maybe it just
takes more getting used to.
 
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Big Steel

I have been getting returned messages now and I can't figure out why. I
think I will stick with Outlook for the email. I do prefer TB over Agent
7 for Newsgroups.
I use TB for Earthlink and Google email accounts with no problems, along
with NNTP and the MS Bridge program that allows me to access MSDN Web
site forums with a NG reader.

Did you let TB auto configure email account access? I did that with
Earthlink and Gmail accounts with no problems accessing and using either
of my email accounts. TB did everything on its own, except for me having
to give the user-id and psw during this auto configuration.

I was getting returned emails at one time, as I recall after an update
of TB or something. I think it had to do with TB not being able to logon
to the email server with user-id and psw given and emails were returned,
because they were never sent.

Below is where I went to delete the entries for user-id and psw that
forced TB to ask for user-id and psw at the time of sending email, which
also gave the option of saving credentials permanently.
 
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Ken Springer

Hi, Al,

Now if TB only had Rules like Outlook. I
know it can be done but not as easily.
Obviously, I'm a TB user. :)

Rules = Message Filters in TB, and I have quite a few of them, sorting
into different folders, in different accounts.

Just in general...

I used to use rules in Outlook 2003, but memory fades fast on how it was
different than in TB. In TB, once you start creating a filter is when
you get to pick the various options of what you want to do with the
emails, such as copy here, move here, forward here, etc.

One huge shortcoming of TB, IMO, is it still does not have a filter for
sending mail built-in, unless it's broken. I'm on the current release
version. But, there is an add-on call Send Filter, which I've installed
and use.

For more TB help, Mozilla supports their own NNTP newsgroup server,
news.mozilla.org and I'd recommend you get logged in there, and sign up
for the Thunderbird and general newsgroups.

If you want help with something specific, drop a line in email, I'll see
if I can give you a hand.

--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 16.0.1
Thunderbird 16.0.1
LibreOffice 3.5.6.2
 
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Daniel47

Ken said:
Hi, Al,



Obviously, I'm a TB user. :)

Rules = Message Filters in TB, and I have quite a few of them, sorting
into different folders, in different accounts.

Just in general...

I used to use rules in Outlook 2003, but memory fades fast on how it was
different than in TB. In TB, once you start creating a filter is when
you get to pick the various options of what you want to do with the
emails, such as copy here, move here, forward here, etc.

One huge shortcoming of TB, IMO, is it still does not have a filter for
sending mail built-in, unless it's broken. I'm on the current release
version. But, there is an add-on call Send Filter, which I've installed
and use.

For more TB help, Mozilla supports their own NNTP newsgroup server,
news.mozilla.org and I'd recommend you get logged in there, and sign up
for the Thunderbird and general newsgroups.

If you want help with something specific, drop a line in email, I'll see
if I can give you a hand.
Ken, I'm on SeaMonkey (which you would be aware is related to TB!!, sort
of TB + FF), and I was going to suggest Al check out the
mozilla.support.thunderbird news group on the mozilla news server, too,
but then I realised he was having troubles with getting a news server
set up, so probably wouldn't work.

However, Al, not all is lost, as I think the mozilla.support.thunderbird
news group is carried by Google-Groups!!

Might help.

Daniel
 
J

James Silverton

Ken, I'm on SeaMonkey (which you would be aware is related to TB!!, sort
of TB + FF), and I was going to suggest Al check out the
mozilla.support.thunderbird news group on the mozilla news server, too,
but then I realised he was having troubles with getting a news server
set up, so probably wouldn't work.

However, Al, not all is lost, as I think the mozilla.support.thunderbird
news group is carried by Google-Groups!!

Might help.

Daniel
Perhaps you should go to
https://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/installing-thunderbird-windows?s=install&as=s
 
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A

Allen Drake

I use TB for Earthlink and Google email accounts with no problems, along
with NNTP and the MS Bridge program that allows me to access MSDN Web
site forums with a NG reader.

Did you let TB auto configure email account access? I did that with
Earthlink and Gmail accounts with no problems accessing and using either
of my email accounts. TB did everything on its own, except for me having
to give the user-id and psw during this auto configuration.

I was getting returned emails at one time, as I recall after an update
of TB or something. I think it had to do with TB not being able to logon
to the email server with user-id and psw given and emails were returned,
because they were never sent.

Below is where I went to delete the entries for user-id and psw that
forced TB to ask for user-id and psw at the time of sending email, which
also gave the option of saving credentials permanently.
Thanks. I think I have it all set now.
 

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