Having copies renamed as per old style "Copy of ..." rather than file name then copy at end?


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StargateFan

How can we get pre Win7 naming convention for copies. Prefer all
copies together under "Copy of ..." rather than with filename. Thx.
Thanks for everyone's replies. The answer seems to be no. We have to
accept Windows 7 doing things a different way to all previous Windows
versions. The copying process of WinXP and before would leave all my
copies in one place and I could go from there. Now I end up with the
copies with their originals so I have to travel all over the folder,
hunting. If we'd had the Win7 behaviour all along, no doubt I would
more than used to it, it's just that after nearly 20 years of one way,
I have to learn to live with that along with all the other changes
Win7 forced on us without choice. Using scripts and everything else
as a solution is just one added inconvenience. I was hoping for a
toggle to switch this new behaviour off and back to the older
behaviour. In other words, I was hoping for an ability to return to
behaviour I was used to, not to add on to an already heavy workload
with addtional steps. I'll just have to learn to live with it and
figure out how to do things differently.

I really hate how M$ forces us always to change. Why not leave option
for users to keep behaviour we've been used to. I think that that's
why Window$ would not be my first option if I had any choice in the
matter (i.e., like at work).

Thanks. Tabling this one as it has no viable solution, it seems.
 
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charlie

Thanks for everyone's replies. The answer seems to be no. We have to
accept Windows 7 doing things a different way to all previous Windows
versions. The copying process of WinXP and before would leave all my
copies in one place and I could go from there. Now I end up with the
copies with their originals so I have to travel all over the folder,
hunting. If we'd had the Win7 behaviour all along, no doubt I would
more than used to it, it's just that after nearly 20 years of one way,
I have to learn to live with that along with all the other changes
Win7 forced on us without choice. Using scripts and everything else
as a solution is just one added inconvenience. I was hoping for a
toggle to switch this new behaviour off and back to the older
behaviour. In other words, I was hoping for an ability to return to
behaviour I was used to, not to add on to an already heavy workload
with addtional steps. I'll just have to learn to live with it and
figure out how to do things differently.

I really hate how M$ forces us always to change. Why not leave option
for users to keep behaviour we've been used to. I think that that's
why Window$ would not be my first option if I had any choice in the
matter (i.e., like at work).

Thanks. Tabling this one as it has no viable solution, it seems.
One fairly simple thing might be to turn "Aero" off and revert to more
or less the "classic" desktop appearance that the user is somewhat used
to. Old folks like me tend to get a bit set in their ways.
(I do use both classic and Aero, depending - - )
 
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Char Jackson

Thanks for everyone's replies. The answer seems to be no. We have to
accept Windows 7 doing things a different way to all previous Windows
versions. The copying process of WinXP and before would leave all my
copies in one place and I could go from there. Now I end up with the
copies with their originals so I have to travel all over the folder,
hunting. If we'd had the Win7 behaviour all along, no doubt I would
more than used to it, it's just that after nearly 20 years of one way,
I have to learn to live with that along with all the other changes
Win7 forced on us without choice. Using scripts and everything else
as a solution is just one added inconvenience. I was hoping for a
toggle to switch this new behaviour off and back to the older
behaviour. In other words, I was hoping for an ability to return to
behaviour I was used to, not to add on to an already heavy workload
with addtional steps. I'll just have to learn to live with it and
figure out how to do things differently.
Another option might be to ask yourself why you're frequently making
copies of existing files, or at least why you're making copies of
existing files in the same folder? I'm putting the question out there
because it's something I do less than once a year, so I don't quite
understand your work flow.

If your work flow has you making copies and then moving the copies
somewhere else, then perhaps you could do the copy-move in one step
instead of two steps, eliminating the annoyance.
 
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VanguardLH

StargateFan said:
Thanks for everyone's replies. The answer seems to be no. We have to
accept Windows 7 doing things a different way to all previous Windows
versions. The copying process of WinXP and before would leave all my
copies in one place and I could go from there. Now I end up with the
copies with their originals so I have to travel all over the folder,
hunting. If we'd had the Win7 behaviour all along, no doubt I would
more than used to it, it's just that after nearly 20 years of one way,
I have to learn to live with that along with all the other changes
Win7 forced on us without choice. Using scripts and everything else
as a solution is just one added inconvenience. I was hoping for a
toggle to switch this new behaviour off and back to the older
behaviour. In other words, I was hoping for an ability to return to
behaviour I was used to, not to add on to an already heavy workload
with addtional steps. I'll just have to learn to live with it and
figure out how to do things differently.
"I know engineers. They l-o-v-e to change things."
(McCoy from "Star Trek: The Motion Picture")
I really hate how M$ forces us always to change. Why not leave option
for users to keep behaviour we've been used to. I think that that's
why Window$ would not be my first option if I had any choice in the
matter (i.e., like at work).
There already exists that option: stay with the OS you prefer. You
never did explain why you thought you have to move to a later version
which very likely means there was no good reason to change.

If you are going to use computers then get used to constant evolution
which means constant change or get used to griping. It's called
/*soft*/ware for a reason.
 
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mick

How can we get pre Win7 naming convention for copies. Prefer all
copies together under "Copy of ..." rather than with filename. Thx.
Thanks for everyone's replies. The answer seems to be no. We have to
accept Windows 7 doing things a different way to all previous Windows
versions. The copying process of WinXP and before would leave all my
copies in one place and I could go from there. Now I end up with the
copies with their originals so I have to travel all over the folder,
hunting. If we'd had the Win7 behaviour all along, no doubt I would
more than used to it, it's just that after nearly 20 years of one way,
I have to learn to live with that along with all the other changes
Win7 forced on us without choice. Using scripts and everything else
as a solution is just one added inconvenience. I was hoping for a
toggle to switch this new behaviour off and back to the older
behaviour. In other words, I was hoping for an ability to return to
behaviour I was used to, not to add on to an already heavy workload
with addtional steps. I'll just have to learn to live with it and
figure out how to do things differently.

I really hate how M$ forces us always to change. Why not leave option
for users to keep behaviour we've been used to. I think that that's
why Window$ would not be my first option if I had any choice in the
matter (i.e., like at work).

Thanks. Tabling this one as it has no viable solution, it seems.[/QUOTE]

Every new version of windows will do some things differently, usually
it panders to the masses with little or no computer knowledge. Anyone
with the slightest intelligence who can see and wants a specific
solution to do things 'their' way usually has to use 3rd party
software.

In my own experience the Windows OS is only used to connect everything
together. Apart from control panel, windows update and occasionally
notepad everything else is surplus to requirements.
 
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Dave \Crash\ Dummy

StargateFan said:
Thanks for everyone's replies. The answer seems to be no. We have to
accept Windows 7 doing things a different way to all previous Windows
versions. The copying process of WinXP and before would leave all my
copies in one place and I could go from there. Now I end up with the
copies with their originals so I have to travel all over the folder,
hunting. If we'd had the Win7 behaviour all along, no doubt I would
more than used to it, it's just that after nearly 20 years of one way,
I have to learn to live with that along with all the other changes
Win7 forced on us without choice. Using scripts and everything else
as a solution is just one added inconvenience. I was hoping for a
toggle to switch this new behaviour off and back to the older
behaviour. In other words, I was hoping for an ability to return to
behaviour I was used to, not to add on to an already heavy workload
with addtional steps. I'll just have to learn to live with it and
figure out how to do things differently.

I really hate how M$ forces us always to change. Why not leave option
for users to keep behaviour we've been used to. I think that that's
why Window$ would not be my first option if I had any choice in the
matter (i.e., like at work).

Thanks. Tabling this one as it has no viable solution, it seems.
I offered a one click fix which you totally ignored.
 
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VanguardLH

Dave said:
I offered a one click fix which you totally ignored.
I don't think he really wanted a fix or help. He needed to vent. Now
he feels better.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

I don't think he really wanted a fix or help. He needed to vent. Now
he feels better.
I had come to the same conclusion, except maybe for your last sentence
:)

In the meantime, I found a useful download and also learned something
about how to do it in the registry, so for me, all is not lost.
 
S

StargateFan

"I know engineers. They l-o-v-e to change things."
(McCoy from "Star Trek: The Motion Picture")


There already exists that option: stay with the OS you prefer.
Uh,huh. Would if I could. This isn't a helpful answer, btw. We have
no choice to OS in office.

You
never did explain why you thought you have to move to a later version
which very likely means there was no good reason to change.

If you are going to use computers then get used to constant evolution
which means constant change or get used to griping. It's called
/*soft*/ware for a reason.
Again, not helpful.
 
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StargateFan

I offered a one click fix which you totally ignored.
Sorry but not a solution. The idea, as stated, is to change to a
different behaviour, not to have to actively do something different.
If there setting to revert back to how Windows historically named
copies, so be it. The idea is to save time and work, not to create
more work.

Thanks just the same.
 
S

StargateFan

I had come to the same conclusion, except maybe for your last sentence
:)

In the meantime, I found a useful download and also learned something
about how to do it in the registry, so for me, all is not lost.
Thanks for the helpful replies <no sarcasm here to that, btw>.

There is no Windows built-in solution which is what I was hoping for.
This is new behaviour and M$ has said damned to all yet again. After
years of adapting through changes, it has never ceased to amaze me how
M$ says F-all to everyone every time they do this sort of thing. If
they, instead, added new features while allowing people to choose to
default back to a different method (this is all superfical enough to
M$ and doesn't change fundamentals why isn't it so hard to allow
everyone a Classic view and behaviour?), then I'd be happier since
workflow wouldn't be interrupted. Likewise, responses of
"deal-with-it, that's the way it is", exacerbate, and don't help.

So be it, in this case. It's a nuisance since I have XP at home and
will have to adjust to yet more work. Power users out there may
relate, we do so much, every tiny bit of extra work is a pain since we
already so much to begin with. And no extra cash to upgrade. And why
must I be forced to all the time, is my question.

So "filename - copy.ext" instead of "Copy of filename.ext" is the way
they want to force us to go ... As I said, no solution that doesn't
involved unwanted third-party or additional work as there's no
setting, that anyone has mentioned, can change behaviour back.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Sorry but not a solution. The idea, as stated, is to change to a
different behaviour, not to have to actively do something different.
If there setting to revert back to how Windows historically named
copies, so be it. The idea is to save time and work, not to create
more work.

Thanks just the same.
There is an interesting verb in English: "to learn".
 
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VanguardLH

StargateFan said:
We have no choice to OS in office.
Now revealed is this isn't your computer but someone else's property.

If you're locked in on the OS choice on *their* property then it's also
very likely that you get no choice in installing software outside their
authorized software list. You're stuck with whatever they decided to
grant for your use on their property. If you're found installing
software they didn't authorize, various levels of retribution could
occur depending on how often you abuse their policy (and they can
monitor the software on your host to make sure nothing untoward shows
up). Depending on how paranoid they are, they may not want you mucking
around with the registry or doing tweaks, especially if any of them have
to do with policies. Unless they decide to trust you, they probably
don't even give you an admin-level account on that workstation or, if
they do, it's a restricted admin account usable only on that host. Ask
them what you can do on their property.

You've already been given several suggestions on how to use the software
they gave you to do your tasks for them on their property, like Dave's
correction of my suggestion (to use the Modified column sort which Dave
corrected to note the Date Created column sort would be needed). Some
suggestions involved installing 3rd party software which (since we now
know this isn't your property) may not be permitted by the real owner.
Since you didn't snag onto those 3rd party software suggestions then
maybe because you're not allowed to use them on someone else's computer.
If you are allowed to install any 3rd party software you want on their
computer then ask them if you can go back to whatever version of Windows
you liked better. Many users have stayed back at Windows XP because
they didn't like the changes in Vista and 7 or just because there wasn't
enough bang-for-the-buck to convince them to upgrade. About the only
event that will make them switch is when Microsoft drops extended
support in April 2014 and no longer provides security updates (so
another 3 years before Microsoft gets users off that now 10 year-old
platform).

A batch (.bat) file will probably do what you want where it renames the
files from "<filename>-Copy<.ext>" to "Copy-<filename><.ext>". You
cannot use the "ren[ame]" command (on multiple files) as that will error
with a "duplicate file" message, but a .bat file with a "for %a" command
would process each file separately to avoid duplication. However, it
doesn't look like you wanted a solution and instead came here to gripe
about change so there's no point in me wasting time coming up with the
..bat file.
 
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J. P. Gilliver (John)

In message <j2p0vl$7mi$1@news.albasani.net>, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH>
writes:
[]
Now revealed is this isn't your computer but someone else's property.

If you're locked in on the OS choice on *their* property then it's also
very likely that you get no choice in installing software outside their
authorized software list. You're stuck with whatever they decided to
grant for your use on their property. If you're found installing
software they didn't authorize, various levels of retribution could
The answer to "How do you" isn't _always_ either "by installing this
third-party software" or by doing a registry hack. _Sometimes_, and more
often than some think, what is desired _can_ be done, just by changing
an option or something. (It sounds like this isn't the case here, but
the original questioner - and, I suspect, you - didn't know that at the
time of the original question.)
[]
You've already been given several suggestions on how to use the software
they gave you to do your tasks for them on their property, like Dave's
correction of my suggestion (to use the Modified column sort which Dave
corrected to note the Date Created column sort would be needed). Some
All of them were basically "accept it - here are ways to make living
with it more easy", rather than actual answers to the original "How do
I".
[]
A batch (.bat) file will probably do what you want where it renames the
files from "<filename>-Copy<.ext>" to "Copy-<filename><.ext>". You
cannot use the "ren[ame]" command (on multiple files) as that will error
with a "duplicate file" message, but a .bat file with a "for %a" command
would process each file separately to avoid duplication. However, it
That does sound like a sensible suggestion ...
doesn't look like you wanted a solution and instead came here to gripe
about change so there's no point in me wasting time coming up with the
.bat file.
.... but that sounds like a gripe-in-reverse. The OP _originally_ just
asked "How do I"; this isn't in and of itself a gripe.
 
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VanguardLH

J. P. Gilliver (John) said:
In message <j2p0vl$7mi$1@news.albasani.net>, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH>
writes:
[]
Now revealed is this isn't your computer but someone else's property.

If you're locked in on the OS choice on *their* property then it's also
very likely that you get no choice in installing software outside their
authorized software list. You're stuck with whatever they decided to
grant for your use on their property. If you're found installing
software they didn't authorize, various levels of retribution could
The answer to "How do you" isn't _always_ either "by installing this
third-party software" or by doing a registry hack. _Sometimes_, and more
often than some think, what is desired _can_ be done, just by changing
an option or something. (It sounds like this isn't the case here, but
the original questioner - and, I suspect, you - didn't know that at the
time of the original question.)
[]
You've already been given several suggestions on how to use the software
they gave you to do your tasks for them on their property, like Dave's
correction of my suggestion (to use the Modified column sort which Dave
corrected to note the Date Created column sort would be needed). Some
All of them were basically "accept it - here are ways to make living
with it more easy", rather than actual answers to the original "How do
I".
[]
A batch (.bat) file will probably do what you want where it renames the
files from "<filename>-Copy<.ext>" to "Copy-<filename><.ext>". You
cannot use the "ren[ame]" command (on multiple files) as that will error
with a "duplicate file" message, but a .bat file with a "for %a" command
would process each file separately to avoid duplication. However, it
That does sound like a sensible suggestion ...
doesn't look like you wanted a solution and instead came here to gripe
about change so there's no point in me wasting time coming up with the
.bat file.
... but that sounds like a gripe-in-reverse. The OP _originally_ just
asked "How do I"; this isn't in and of itself a gripe.
Just wait. The OP will shoot down that solution, too.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Wonder what he's going to do when his company decides to move to a newer
version of MS Office and he gets to learn the ribbon bar, intuitive
menuing, and so on.

From his posts elsewhere, he extols how he found macro code to do
something in Excel which obviously isn't part of Excel. He asks for VBA
code to extend or modify behavior in Word and Excel. Yet here he is
unwilling to extend or modify behavior in Windows 7, use macros (batch
files or scripts), or 3rd party software (assuming his company grants
permission for use on their property). So, yep, he's just here to
gripe.
Yeah :)
 
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I know the thread is over a year old, but the comments were so rude, I thought I would reply.

http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-files/windows-7-copy-and-paste-file-rename/d8e0af24-799b-4716-ab2e-8a6a2b5dba7a?msgId=ea17d6c8-cb4e-43a0-b584-3dcc8a4dc6af

Essentially, it can't be done.

I was in the same situation as the original user (Work PC with Win 7, use CTRL-Drag to make a copy of a file, prefer the old format of "Copy Of".

I assumed there was a Windows Setting to accomplish this - there are either Windows settings or workarounds for plenty of other 7 "features" such as the old quick launch menu, the old Programs tree, the old File Explore Tree structure, etc.

TeraCopy is a possible solution - but I can't tell if it supports Ctrl-Drag support (without extension re-configuration). Understandably, the OP didn't want to have to copy and run a batch file to further complicate a change he really shouldn't have to make in the first place.

I agree with the OP - if it in fact is true that MS had to change the behavior to support other language versions, you would think they could add a "Create copies as "Copy Of" option in File Explorer Options at least for the US versions.

FWIW ...
 
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On 02/08/2011 12:09, StargateFan wrote:
Aaagghh! While checking this out I came across a problem I used to have
with XP, but had forgotten about. It's just the same with Win7, so a
word of warning to the innocent.

In a folder of, eg, photos, you can hold down ctrl and select individual
ones with the mouse left key, BUT (aaagghh!) if you shake one just a
tiny bit then you get copies of all those highlighted.

I once did a check over an old file-sharing system (Napster, I think)
for multiple copies; and I found a version (17), as well as lots of
(11), (12) etc. That suggested that there must be lots of HDs belonging
to silver surfers with shaky hands.
I'm sure you've discovered a solution already, but I'm pretty sure that some specialized Mouse control panels have settings for Drag & Drop sensitivity. I also seem to remember TweakXP having something like this as well. Not sure if the same adjustment is available in Windows 7 anywhere though.
 
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It is usefull software for copy, delete, long path files.
Please try "Long Path Tool" program.
 
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