eMail Client For Me

[OldGuy]

Alias formulated on Tuesday :

I don't think an email client exists for that. Thunderbird can be set to just
download headers but I'm not sure if those headers will indicate if you have
any attachments.

Where in TBird do I make those settings?
1) Limit download size
2) Turn off downloading attachments.

 

[Juan Wei]

OldGuy has written on 6/19/2013 5:01 PM:

Alias formulated on Tuesday :

Where in TBird do I make those settings?
1) Limit download size
2) Turn off downloading attachments.

1) Disk space
2) Server settings

POP3 accounts only.

 

[Miles]

* Good Guy wrote, On 18-Jun-13 22:17:

Thunderbird works for me just fine.

One important item to be aware of, is that TB address book simply
won't work with Google Sync and most likely you will lose your AB.
Miles

 

[OldGuy]

Juan Wei wrote on 6/19/2013 :

OldGuy has written on 6/19/2013 5:01 PM:

1) Disk space
2) Server settings

POP3 accounts only.

OK but I had to set up an account first and suffer the expectation of
things being downloaded before I could get to the settings.
That should be part of the account creation.

Anyway now I cannot get my contacts.

Maybe a new Post. Getting from contacts Opera that only puts out its
own format and none of the standard export/import formats.

Maybe a converter someplace???

 

[BeeJ]

Maybe a new Post. Getting from contacts Opera that only puts out its own
format and none of the standard export/import formats.

Maybe a converter someplace???

Found Dawn. That will convert several eMail contact lists.

After a lot of fiddling I finally got Opera Contacts into Thunderbird.

 

[Zaidy036]

* Good Guy wrote, On 18-Jun-13 22:17:

One important item to be aware of, is that TB address book simply won't
work with Google Sync and most likely you will lose your AB.
Miles

there is a free add-on called "Google Contacts" that will synch TB
address info on start up of TB.

 

[XS11E]

XS11E has written on 6/19/2013 3:00 PM:

Lots of security problems!

None I'm aware of, remember,security problems are in the wetware, not
the hardware or the software.

 

[Nil]

OK but I had to set up an account first and suffer the expectation
of things being downloaded before I could get to the settings.
That should be part of the account creation.

It is. You need to click on the Advanced Settings button and set the
appropriate options before you close the account creation dialog.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

None I'm aware of, remember,security problems are in the wetware, not
the hardware or the software.

Not entirely. Though a lot of them are indeed due to social engineering,
there can be weaknesses in software (buffer overflow exploits for
example). And even in hardware. Whether this actually applies to old
versions of Thunderbird, I have no idea.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

TV and radio presenters are just like many people, except they tend to wear
make-up all the time. Especially the radio presenters. - Eddie Mair, in Radio
Times 25-31 August 2012

 

[Miles]

* Zaidy036 wrote, On 20-Jun-13 06:57:

there is a free add-on called "Google Contacts" that will synch TB
address info on start up of TB.

It doesn't completely work, nor does Zindus. Take it from one who
lost contacts and spent countless days attempting to restore -- for
instance lists are incomplete. I thoroughly checked this out with
newsgroup mozilla.org/mozilla.support.thunderbird & that was the
consensus.

 

[Bob Henson]

* Zaidy036 wrote, On 20-Jun-13 06:57:

It doesn't completely work, nor does Zindus. Take it from one who
lost contacts and spent countless days attempting to restore -- for
instance lists are incomplete. I thoroughly checked this out with
newsgroup mozilla.org/mozilla.support.thunderbird & that was the
consensus.

It works just fine here using Thunderbird 17.0.6 ESR.

 

[Miles]

* Bob Henson wrote, On 20-Jun-13 14:22:

It works just fine here using Thunderbird 17.0.6 ESR.

Give it time and it will blow your address book particularly if you
have lists for Google doesn't use lists, it uses categories which is a
totally different animal.

 

[Warren Post]

* Zaidy036 wrote, On 20-Jun-13 06:57:

It doesn't completely work, nor does Zindus. Take it from one who lost
contacts and spent countless days attempting to restore -- for instance
lists are incomplete. I thoroughly checked this out with newsgroup
mozilla.org/mozilla.support.thunderbird & that was the consensus.

I've had the same experience, with both Google Contacts and Zindus. I've
sadly given up on contact synchronization.

 

[Ken Springer]

Seems like no one wishes to offer any opinions, but I will. And I'm
sure I won't stay out of trouble! LOL

Other than
OE Just seems too outdated.

It came as part of the operating system. And it's no longer
distributed, updated, or included anywhere. Since you use newsgroups,
be aware you had to have a 3rd party fix for messages to be properly quoted.

I don't understand anyone wanting to use a broken program that will
never, ever be fixed, or updated to run on newer OS's. But to each
their own.

Outlook Fancy but I could never grow into it.

I used Outlook 2007 until my XP computer self-destructed, and I switched
to the Mac. Technically, it wasn't an email program, it was a contact
manager. Email was done by accessing OE routines. How it works now, as
a stand alone program, I don't know. But it's not free.

I liked it. It had lots of filtering capabilities which is something I
would want. But, it doesn't do newsgroups.

Live Mail It's Microsoft. Love it or hate it.

Quoting for newsgroups is broken, badly. And it seems to get worse with
each release. Personally, I don't think MS cares to even fix it.
AFAIK, it's no longer a client that is installed on your computer, the
program resides on an MS server somewhere.

From what I read, MS wants you to move all your work to the web, where
they can obviously maintain control, much like Apple does with MS. I
personally don't like that idea, which is one of the negatives for Apple
for me, even though I now use a Mac. My data belongs on my computer,
not MS's or Apple's.

Opera I like the web browser and eMail is pretty good.

I used to use Opera because the email client is part of the browser.
That's one thing I liked about Netscape.

I quit using it when more and more web pages did not render properly.
But, that was years ago, and all of that may have been fixed.

I am considering going back to Opera for the email, as I'm not terribly
happy with Thunderbird. More on that later.

What other recommended free email clients are recommended.
I know that certain features and peccadilloes make an eMail client
liked or disliked so maybe also say what those features are.

I'm currently using Thunderbird, but increasingly becoming disenchanted,
even pissed, with it. I like HTML email, and I find so many little
things that simply don't work right on the Mac version. Whether the
same issues are there with the Windows version, I don't know.

They are supposed to be coming out with a whole lot of bug fixes.
Whether any of mine get addressed, I don't know.

When I bought this Mac, I started getting into open source/free
software. I like the concept. My impression is, most of it will never
quite make it to the level they profess they want to be. So, good
commercial software probably will never disappear. Why? Because the
open source folks, in general, are not making their living at coding for
the program. If no one wants to work on a certain bug, it never gets fixed.

As you can see from my signature, I use Libre Office. But I'm looking
for a replacement for the word processor portion, and know exactly what
software I'll try as the replacement. 2 commercial programs, in this case.

Important to me: In addition can anyone identify which email clients
can download headers but not attachments until called for? I get
eMails with large attachments that take too long to download. I need
to select the eMail and download only those attachments that I
immediately need.

I don't know of any off the top of my head. Mozilla has both forum and
newsgroup help systems. I use the newsgroup part. You could ask that
question there.

I want a mail client so I can be notified upon mail arrival so I do not
have to go to e.g. Hotmail or GMail etc to look.

Thunderbird will do that. And it has POP3 and IMAP for checking your
other accounts.
Good luck.



--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.4
Firefox 20.0
Thunderbird 17.0.5
LibreOffice 4.0.3.3

 

[Miles]

* Warren Post wrote, On 20-Jun-13 22:14:

I've had the same experience, with both Google Contacts and Zindus. I've
sadly given up on contact synchronization.

I'm still sending most msgs from TB simply because I don't like the
on-line programs. Every time I add a contact to Google (and by sync
to the phone) I manually add it to TB. One of these days will go
through Google and copy those to TB that are not there. Do you happen
to know if there is a way to do this all at one time and with the
entire contact, not copying pieces?

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

* Warren Post wrote, On 20-Jun-13 22:14:

I'm still sending most msgs from TB simply because I don't like the
on-line programs. Every time I add a contact to Google (and by sync
to the phone) I manually add it to TB. One of these days will go
through Google and copy those to TB that are not there. Do you happen
to know if there is a way to do this all at one time and with the
entire contact, not copying pieces?

On the contacts page at Gmail there is a button called More.

That button has menu times Export and Import.

That's probably a clue.

 

[Paul]

I am considering going back to Opera for the email, as I'm not terribly
happy with Thunderbird. More on that later.

Opera is (visually) ugly for email. Thunderbird is better from
that point of view.

And the Opera web browsing works better than it used to.

*******

If you like the idea of "suites", then Seamonkey is another
example of a suite. Sort of like the old Netscape. Since
the email code is just Thunderbird in disguise, expect the
code base to share some things. I like Seamonkey, just as
a means to have another browser with different plugins
enabled on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeaMonkey

Paul

 

[XS11E]

Not entirely. Though a lot of them are indeed due to social
engineering, there can be weaknesses in software (buffer overflow
exploits for example). And even in hardware. Whether this actually
applies to old versions of Thunderbird, I have no idea.

Although my use of T'burp was non-typical (email only and only one POP3
account) I had no security related problems with 2.x versions.

It only took a couple of hours with 3.x to ditch T'barf permanently and
go back to Pegasus although I have (briefly) tried most of the later
versions of T'belch....

 

[Ken Springer]

Seems like no one wishes to offer any opinions, but I will. And I'm
sure I won't stay out of trouble! LOL

<snip>

When I wrote my post, it was in response to the cross post in
windows.xp.general, and I missed the follow up linked to it.

One free program I tried years ago, and totally forgot, was Zimbra
Desktop. It's available for both Windows and Mac. Worked much like
OE/Outlook. But that was at the time when Yahoo had just sold the
project to VM Fusion, and betas that were released for the Mac caused me
problems, so I went elsewhere.

I think Zimbra is now being used for a lot of email packages being
provided by various units like universities, and my DSL provider.

If issues I have with TB are not fixed with the upcoming major upgrade,
I'll give Zimbra another look, before I try Opera again.


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.4
Firefox 20.0
Thunderbird 17.0.5
LibreOffice 4.0.3.3

 

[Char Jackson]

Although my use of T'burp was non-typical (email only and only one POP3
account) I had no security related problems with 2.x versions.

It only took a couple of hours with 3.x to ditch T'barf permanently and
go back to Pegasus although I have (briefly) tried most of the later
versions of T'belch....

FYI, the constant deliberate misspellings don't reflect well on you.