Downgrading from Win 8

[Pfsszxt]

(e-mail address removed) has written on 9/9/2013 1:07 PM:

StartIsBack is the only add-on. The rest are configurations.


What did you use in XP to do those things? Windows Explorer? Guess what
-- Win 8 has it, too.

Once you install StartIsBack and do the configurations, THERE'S NOTHING
ELSE TO LEARN!!! You will have a Win-7-working machine.

I installed Classic Shell. Do I just get Startback and install it
also??

 

[dadiOH]

I installed Classic Shell. Do I just get Startback and
install it also??

Pointless, you already have Classic Shell. Both are for the same purpose,
you only need one.

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[dadiOH]

Well, I did install Classic Shell. And "nearly"
subjective. I didn't find it so --- but then I haven't
learned Win 7 well yet either --- just bought a new
laptop with 7 installed so I'll start

Yeah, "nearly" is subjective. It also depends upon individual tastes. Tell
me, just WTF do you want???

Here are a couple of screen shots of my Win 8 desktop. That's where I land
when the machine boots. Normally, there is nothing on it...no "My
Computer"...no "Recycle Bin". I don't want orneed those things. In the
screen shots, there are 3-4 things that are there temporarily until I take
care of them. That's what I use both my actual and my computer desktops
for - temporary things.

In the screen shots, the task bar is also visible. I keep it at the left
side and it is normally hidden until such time as I want it; when I do, I
move the cursor to the left edge and the taskbar pops out.

One screen shot shows the "All Programs" menu, the other shows "Settings"
Pretty much the same as they woud be in Win7, WinXP, Win98 or Win95. They
do have some special icons I made but that is a matter of taste; they could
have standard icons if I wished.

The existence of the menus is thanks to Classic Shell as is the "start"
button which is the graphic at the top of the taskbar. The appearance of
the start menu and what is on it, how it behaves, etc. is configurable via
Classic Shell's menu; one way to access that menu is to right click the
start button.

Take a look at the screen shots and tell me what is do damned hard about
Win8 with Classic Shell. IOW, are you stubborn or just totally computer
illiterate?

http://www.floridaloghouse.net/dadioh/allprograms.gif

http://www.floridaloghouse.net/dadioh/settings.gif

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[Ken Blake]

I installed Classic Shell. Do I just get Startback and install it
also??

No. You install *either* ClassicShell, StartIsBack, Start8, or any
other such programs. They all do similar things and you don't want
multiples of these.

My personal favorite is Start8.

Ken

 

[Juan Wei]

(e-mail address removed) has written on 9/9/2013 3:27 PM:

I installed Classic Shell. Do I just get Startback and install it
also??

No. Uninstall Classic Shell. And it's start is back == startisback ==
NOT start back.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

I've been doing computers since the very begining --
my first was before floppy disks were invented and before
the word "software" was coined.

Pretty good. Not many people here have been doing computers since before
1958.

 

[xfile]

My two cents,

Did you build your own white box or bought it from an OEM like Dell?

OEM's like Dell still offer Windows 7 systems, so it's much easier if I
were you to buy one from them and all drivers are for Windows 7. If you
bought one from an OEM, perhaps, you could return it and ask for a Win 7
system.

I am also a computer hobbyist, most of time, so I can't help to play
some "latest and greatest" hardware and software, but when it comes to
doing things, an OS is just a platform to support applications and
hardware that are meant for productivity and personal pleasure, so I
don't see any reason to relearn a new interface when there is no
tangible benefits.

Windows 7 will last for many years to come, and for myself, if Win 9 is
similar to Win 8, I will move to another platform which is long overdue.

 

[xfile]

Pretty good. Not many people here have been doing computers since before

1958.

Some were not born yet. Ooops.

 

[Juan Wei]

Gene E. Bloch has written on 9/9/2013 7:34 PM:

Pretty good. Not many people here have been doing computers since before
1958.

I saw my first one Jan 59!

 

[Ken Blake]

Pretty good. Not many people here have been doing computers since before
1958.

I come close. I miss by four years.

 

[Rodney Pont]

Pretty good. Not many people here have been doing computers since before
1958.

His first would have been pretty expensive as well!!

 

[Doug Chadduck]

I come close. I miss by four years.

I feel so young now. IBM 1620 1967

 

[Tim Slattery]

I feel so young now. IBM 1620 1967

That's what I started on in high school, at just about the same time.
20,000 decimal storage positions. Look-up table to enable arithmetic
operations. Lots of flashing lights on the console!

 

[Pfsszxt]

Pretty good. Not many people here have been doing computers since before
1958.

Well, If there were floppies that early, they didn't show on the
first PC I heard of. A TRS 80 (latee 1970's) with only input/output
was via a cassette tape recorder.
Soon after, TRS80's had floppy capibility -- the lrge (actuall
floppy) -- reader for TRS 80 was abou the sive of a toaster!
Needed two such drives if you wanted to use a program (which
one had to write!) which both read and wrote.
I recall that the sometime in the early 80s--- I was a CEO --
IBM rep always stopped by my office to "chat". Once he
brought me a copy of a printed article describing a new invention
called a Winchester disk drive . (The first hard-drive.)

 

[Gene Wirchenko]

On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:31:56 -0500, (e-mail address removed) wrote:

[snip]

Well, If there were floppies that early, they didn't show on the
first PC I heard of. A TRS 80 (latee 1970's) with only input/output
was via a cassette tape recorder.

Keyboard and screen are I/O, too.

Soon after, TRS80's had floppy capibility -- the lrge (actuall
floppy) -- reader for TRS 80 was abou the sive of a toaster!
Needed two such drives if you wanted to use a program (which
one had to write!) which both read and wrote.

Not so, but a one-drive system had very limited data capacity
after OS and program.

I recall that the sometime in the early 80s--- I was a CEO --
IBM rep always stopped by my office to "chat". Once he
brought me a copy of a printed article describing a new invention
called a Winchester disk drive . (The first hard-drive.)

Not the first hard drive, but maybe the first type of hard drive
commonly used on micros.

Sincerelky,

Gene Wirchenko

 

[Bucky Breeder]

Well, I probably won't live that long --but I'll try that
after XP stops upgrades and then Win 7 stops upgrades.
Being "up with the times" is not high on my list --- I don't even
own anything with a touch screen and, so fa,r haven't found any reason
to do so. What is the expression ? Ah, --- "he's old and set in his
ways".

By "up with the times", I don't intend to imply a competitive race for the
sake of "being first on the block" or "keeping up with the Jones"; more
like, it's so much easier to keep-up than to catch-up; and the way
technology is accelerating, if we wait very long, we have to re-learn the
wheel, so to speeky.

YMMV.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Well, If there were floppies that early, they didn't show on the
first PC I heard of. A TRS 80 (latee 1970's) with only input/output
was via a cassette tape recorder.

I was referring to the term "software", which my Merriam-Webster
Dictionary dates to 1958. I meant to hint at a lack of credibility in
your claim.

Wikipedia reports that floppies were developed in the late 60's and were
commercially available in 1971. I'm not so willing to believe you about
that claim either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk

 

[Pfsszxt]

By "up with the times", I don't intend to imply a competitive race for the
sake of "being first on the block" or "keeping up with the Jones"; more
like, it's so much easier to keep-up than to catch-up; and the way
technology is accelerating, if we wait very long, we have to re-learn the
wheel, so to speeky.

YMMV.

Well, If I live beyond the upgrading period for Win7 (XP Pro is
still a year from doing so!) then I guess I'll just have to give up
personal computing or then worry about learning Win 8 --lots of
experienced users around by then

 

[dadiOH]

On Tue, 10 Sep 2013 08:31:56 -0500, (e-mail address removed) wrote:

[snip]

Well, If there were floppies that early, they didn't
show on the first PC I heard of. A TRS 80 (latee
1970's) with only input/output was via a cassette tape
recorder.

Keyboard and screen are I/O, too.

The KB certainly was, not so sure if the monitor qualifies. It was "memory
mapped"; i.e., 1024 KB of RAM were reserved and anything put there was
displayed on the monitor.

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[CRNG]

I was referring to the term "software", which my Merriam-Webster
Dictionary dates to 1958. I meant to hint at a lack of credibility in
your claim.

Wikipedia reports that floppies were developed in the late 60's and were
commercially available in 1971. I'm not so willing to believe you about
that claim either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk

Considering the kind of questions being asked by Mr. Pfsszxt, your
skepticism regarding his claimed experience is well founded.