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Fokke Nauta

Gene E. Bloch said:
The lambic beers are a Belgian specialty, that even got a write-up in
Scientific American, a popular magazine here in the US for people
interested in science (and it has a number of international editions as
well).

The article was a long time ago, so I have forgotten any details.

Yes, the kriek (cherry) and the cassis (currant) are both quite sour.
That's why we don't drink them often :)

I've written down Duval and Westmalle for the next time I go to get beer
- thanks.
Interesting that Belgian beers show up in Scientific American!
But, indeed, Belgium is famous for its trappist beers. Originally brewed by
monks. The process of fermentation is completely different from how ales are
being made.
There are many trappist beers, and individual tasts do differ, but
Westmalle, Duval and Grimbergen belongs to the best. Duval is rather blond,
pretty strong, with ± 7 % of alcohol. Westmalle has 2 varieties: dubbel
(dubble) and triple. The triple is blond, quite well tasting, but the double
is the best. It's dark, and a hint of liquorice and sweet. Also ± 7 %.

I put copies of the bottles in www.pc3.nl/beer as well.

Cheers,

Fokke
 
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Fokke Nauta

Fokke Nauta said:
Interesting that Belgian beers show up in Scientific American!
But, indeed, Belgium is famous for its trappist beers. Originally brewed
by monks. The process of fermentation is completely different from how
ales are being made.
There are many trappist beers, and individual tasts do differ, but
Westmalle, Duval and Grimbergen belongs to the best. Duval is rather
blond, pretty strong, with ± 7 % of alcohol. Westmalle has 2 varieties:
dubbel (dubble) and triple. The triple is blond, quite well tasting, but
the double is the best. It's dark, and a hint of liquorice and sweet. Also
± 7 %.

I put copies of the bottles in www.pc3.nl/beer as well.

Cheers,

Fokke
On my privat homepage, which I actually no longer use, there is still an
article about tasting and testing Belgian beers. It's in Dutch, but there
are copies of the bottles.
It's on http://home.claranet.nl/users/fnauta/home/1/index.htm and then
choose "Bier proeven" (beer testing).

Fokke
 
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Ed Cryer

On my privat homepage, which I actually no longer use, there is still an
article about tasting and testing Belgian beers. It's in Dutch, but there
are copies of the bottles.
It's on http://home.claranet.nl/users/fnauta/home/1/index.htm and then
choose "Bier proeven" (beer testing).

Fokke
I play chess at the Polish Catholic Centre here in the UK. They have a
bar and serve imported Zywiec.
I love that stuff; in moderation, that is; it's very easy to exceed the
limit with that brew.

Do you know it? What's your opinion?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Porter_zywiec.jpg

Ed
 
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Ed Cryer

The AP is certainly not misconfigured.
You forgot to - at least try to - explain why my problem was solved after I
changed the xmit channel of the AP.

I think further discussion is useless.

Fokke
I can fully see Char's point view. I think I share it. Something else
changed or was changed while changing the channel.
But, only time will tell.
And if it stays fixed, well then, all's well that ends well.

Ed
 
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Char Jackson

The AP is certainly not misconfigured.
You forgot to - at least try to - explain why my problem was solved after I
changed the xmit channel of the AP.
Would it have helped if I had suggested that the AP might be
malfunctioning, rather than suggesting it may be misconfigured? So
let's do that, let's say it's malfunctioning, which gets back to my
other suggestion, which was to try another AP or try another laptop
with the original AP. It's called troubleshooting by substitution.
I think further discussion is useless.
You may be right about that. I can't force you to take a logical
approach so you might just be stuck with "it's magic".
 
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Fokke Nauta

Ed Cryer said:
I can fully see Char's point view. I think I share it. Something else
changed or was changed while changing the channel.
But, only time will tell.
And if it stays fixed, well then, all's well that ends well.

Ed
I fully agree.
But I did not change anything else.
But why was the problem gone after changing the channel, and came back after
changing the channel back to the previous value?
I was able to reproduce this multiple times. I was surprised, too, and
wondered what was going on.
There is absolutely no logic here.
If anyone can shine a light on what happened here ...

Fokke
 
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Fokke Nauta

Char Jackson said:
Would it have helped if I had suggested that the AP might be
malfunctioning, rather than suggesting it may be misconfigured?
Could well be so.
So
let's do that, let's say it's malfunctioning, which gets back to my
other suggestion, which was to try another AP or try another laptop
with the original AP.
Absolutely not.
It's called troubleshooting by substitution.
I am a technician and used this approach in many situations. Most of the
time leading towards solving the problem.
You may be right about that. I can't force you to take a logical
approach so you might just be stuck with "it's magic".
Basically, there is nothing to discuss. I agree with you.
It ought not to have happened. But it does, against all odds.
Like I replied to Ed:
But why was the problem gone after changing the channel, and came back after
changing the channel back to the previous value?
I was able to reproduce this multiple times. I was surprised, too, and
wondered what was going on.
There is absolutely no logic here.
If anyone can shine a light on what happened here ...

I would like to find out what was going on.

Fokke
 
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Fokke Nauta

I play chess at the Polish Catholic Centre here in the UK. They have a bar
and serve imported Zywiec.
I love that stuff; in moderation, that is; it's very easy to exceed the
limit with that brew.

Do you know it? What's your opinion?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Porter_zywiec.jpg
I don't know this one. But it seems very interesting. It appears to be a
top-fermented beer, accoring to Wikipedia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter_(beer))
So it must be quite nice then. Not so far from where I live, there's a shop
which sells all kinds of beer. See that I can get this one, just for tasting
and curiosity!

Fokke
 
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Fokke Nauta

Fokke Nauta said:
Could well be so.


Absolutely not.


I am a technician and used this approach in many situations. Most of the
time leading towards solving the problem.


Basically, there is nothing to discuss. I agree with you.
It ought not to have happened. But it does, against all odds.
Like I replied to Ed:
But why was the problem gone after changing the channel, and came back
after
changing the channel back to the previous value?
I was able to reproduce this multiple times. I was surprised, too, and
wondered what was going on.
There is absolutely no logic here.
If anyone can shine a light on what happened here ...

I would like to find out what was going on.

Fokke
I will take a network capture, one when the problem occurs and one when it
works well.
Is that an idea?

Fokke
 
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Fokke Nauta

Would it have helped if I had suggested that the AP might be
malfunctioning, rather than suggesting it may be misconfigured? So
let's do that, let's say it's malfunctioning, which gets back to my
other suggestion, which was to try another AP or try another laptop
with the original AP. It's called troubleshooting by substitution.
In my other response I replied "Absolutely not " but I misread your
suggestion.
Unfortunately we don't have another laptop or another AP. If we had so, I
already would have tried.

<cut>

Fokke
 
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charlie

I fully agree.
But I did not change anything else.
But why was the problem gone after changing the channel, and came back after
changing the channel back to the previous value?
I was able to reproduce this multiple times. I was surprised, too, and
wondered what was going on.
There is absolutely no logic here.
If anyone can shine a light on what happened here ...

Fokke
This is interesting in that I had the same problem several wireless
routers ago. The problem went away when the router firmware was updated.
Then, I purchased a dual frequency wireless and Ethernet 1G router, and
my son "hacked" the old router hardware and software for use as an extender.
Haven't seen it since!
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Interesting that Belgian beers show up in Scientific American!
But, indeed, Belgium is famous for its trappist beers. Originally brewed by
monks. The process of fermentation is completely different from how ales are
being made.
There are many trappist beers, and individual tasts do differ, but
Westmalle, Duval and Grimbergen belongs to the best. Duval is rather blond,
pretty strong, with ± 7 % of alcohol. Westmalle has 2 varieties: dubbel
(dubble) and triple. The triple is blond, quite well tasting, but the double
is the best. It's dark, and a hint of liquorice and sweet. Also ± 7 %.

I put copies of the bottles in www.pc3.nl/beer as well.

Cheers,

Fokke
Today was beer day (our supply had gotten down to 1 or 2 bottles), so I
checked out the Belgian stock at the store. I chickened out...

The beer is sold in bottles about the price of a six-pack, and twice the
size of a standard US bottle (12 oz = 355 ml). Our nightcap is to split
one of those 12 oz bottles, so the 700 ml bottles are too much :)

I did buy a small bottle of Duvel to taste (I already forgot what kind,
and at this moment I'm too lazy to go to the other end of the house). Of
course I could have bought a large bottle of something, but I thought
I'd wait until I could check with my partner.

And I just added Grimbergen to my list :)
 
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Gene E. Bloch

I play chess at the Polish Catholic Centre here in the UK. They have a
bar and serve imported Zywiec.
I love that stuff; in moderation, that is; it's very easy to exceed the
limit with that brew.

Do you know it? What's your opinion?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Porter_zywiec.jpg

Ed
I have bought and enjoyed it in the past.

In fact, on today's trip to the store, I happened to notice it and
considered buying some, but I already had six 6-packs in the cart :)
 
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Gene E. Bloch

Today was beer day (our supply had gotten down to 1 or 2 bottles), so I
checked out the Belgian stock at the store. I chickened out...

The beer is sold in bottles about the price of a six-pack, and twice the
size of a standard US bottle (12 oz = 355 ml). Our nightcap is to split
one of those 12 oz bottles, so the 700 ml bottles are too much :)

I did buy a small bottle of Duvel to taste (I already forgot what kind,
and at this moment I'm too lazy to go to the other end of the house). Of
course I could have bought a large bottle of something, but I thought
I'd wait until I could check with my partner.

And I just added Grimbergen to my list :)
I finally went up front. It's a 330 ml bottle of Duvel Belgian Golden
Ale. It hasn't been refrigerated yet, so in true American style, we
won't be drinking it.

The label is not identical to the picture on your site, but it's
similar. Possibly just because the US is a different market?
 
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Fokke Nauta

Gene E. Bloch said:
I finally went up front. It's a 330 ml bottle of Duvel Belgian Golden
Ale. It hasn't been refrigerated yet, so in true American style, we
won't be drinking it.

The label is not identical to the picture on your site, but it's
similar. Possibly just because the US is a different market?
My Duval is 330 ml as well, 8.5 % alcohol, and it says on the label
(translated) Belgian special beer.
I hope it's the same. I can remember when I lived in the UK, all of a sudden
I noticed the Dutch beer Grolsch in the supermarket. I bought some and found
out that it tasted completely different to the real Grolsch we got in
Holland. So I assumed it was export quality. I hope it's not the same with
your Duval.

I am curious as to your findings. It's one of my favourites. And don't drink
it too cold, let it wait for a while after you get it out of the fridge.

And, BTW, I never buy the big bottles. Always the 330 ml ones.
I added a blond Grimbergen bottle to the beer directory as well.

Cheers!

Fokke
 
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Fokke Nauta

Some news, guys.

You were right. The problem came back. So it must be something else indeed.
I'm completely convinced.

Took some captures. Could't see all, though.
What I can see, is the following (just 2 short examples):

When I open on the laptop a shared folder on one of the workstations, I get
this:
10.0.0.160 (laptop) -> 10.0.0.141 (workstation) SMB protocol: Trans2
request, query_fs_info
10.0.0.141 -> 10.0.0.160 SMB protocol: Trans2 response, query_fs_info
etc.

When I open on the laptop a shared folder on the server (and this goes
wrong), I get this:
fe80::90f9:b3c1:9b37:7dc3 (laptop) -> ff02::1:3 (What's this?) LLMNR
protocol (what's this?): 86 Standard query A SERVER
10.0.0.160 (laptop) -> 224.0.0.252 (Wat's this IP address?) LLMNR protocol:
66 Standard query A SERVER
And this goes on, without a response of the server.

Does this mean anything for you?
What happens here?

Fokke
 
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Char Jackson

Some news, guys.

You were right. The problem came back. So it must be something else indeed.
I'm completely convinced.

Took some captures. Could't see all, though.
What I can see, is the following (just 2 short examples):

When I open on the laptop a shared folder on one of the workstations, I get
this:
10.0.0.160 (laptop) -> 10.0.0.141 (workstation) SMB protocol: Trans2
request, query_fs_info
10.0.0.141 -> 10.0.0.160 SMB protocol: Trans2 response, query_fs_info
etc.

When I open on the laptop a shared folder on the server (and this goes
wrong), I get this:
fe80::90f9:b3c1:9b37:7dc3 (laptop) -> ff02::1:3 (What's this?) LLMNR
protocol (what's this?): 86 Standard query A SERVER
10.0.0.160 (laptop) -> 224.0.0.252 (Wat's this IP address?) LLMNR protocol:
66 Standard query A SERVER
And this goes on, without a response of the server.

Does this mean anything for you?
What happens here?
I'm no expert, but it looks like IPv6 is enabled on the laptop? If so,
disable it. Likewise on the server.
 
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Fokke Nauta

Char Jackson said:
I'm no expert, but it looks like IPv6 is enabled on the laptop?
Yes, it is.
If so,
disable it. Likewise on the server.
I will disable it.
It's not available on the server. See what happens next.

Fokke
 
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Gene E. Bloch

My Duval is 330 ml as well, 8.5 % alcohol, and it says on the label
(translated) Belgian special beer.
I hope it's the same. I can remember when I lived in the UK, all of a sudden
I noticed the Dutch beer Grolsch in the supermarket. I bought some and found
out that it tasted completely different to the real Grolsch we got in
Holland. So I assumed it was export quality. I hope it's not the same with
your Duval.
The Grolsch we get here is on our 'do not buy' list :-(
I am curious as to your findings. It's one of my favourites. And don't drink
it too cold, let it wait for a while after you get it out of the fridge.
I will report when possible. She who pours the beer will decide when
that is, by an algorithm mysterious to this person :)

Let's hope I can remember long enough to follow up on this!
 
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Char Jackson

Yes, it is.


I will disable it.
It's not available on the server. See what happens next.

Fokke
You also asked about LLMNR. Here's a Wikipedia page on it.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LLMNR>
That also explains why 224.0.0.252 showed up in your capture.

Are you accessing the various PC's by hostname or by IP address? I
always use IP address because it seems to be more reliable and doesn't
require any kind of name resolution.
 

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