Can I use USB Diskette Drive in Win764?

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Bob I

Bob I <[email protected]> said:
Local drives map from the start of the alphabet towards Z. Network
drives map starting at Z and working towards A. Did you map a network
drive letter right after the current Local drives? In other words was
there a letter gap between your local drives and your first mapped
network drive?
[]
Floppy drives are different - at least they are under XP; they appear as
A: (and B:).

When you say local drives map from the start of the alphabet, are you
sure they don't start at C:?
Yes floppy drives normally will be assigned A and/or B if the system
actually recognizes them to be floppy drives. C is then typically
assigned to the first hard drive partition. After that it can get a
little messy depending on mix of hard drives and partitions on them then
you will find the hardwired items like optical drives and memory card
readers, then comes the USB plugged in items. The issue is that if you
have mapped network drive letters, Windows will still place the newly
connected item in consecutive ascending letter order and if the drive
letter that would have been assigned is already assigned to the network
drive, the network gets the letter and the local drive no longer has one.
 
P

Paul

Don said:
Is there a way I can use a USB diskette drive in Windows 7 64bit? I
plugged my floppy drive into a USB port and I could hear the audio
signal that a device was plugged in, but no drive letter was identified
in Windows Explorer. I know it is technology from yesteryear.

Thanks
Here's my Mitsumi USB floppy, on Win7 Home Premium x64. Shows as A:\

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/6185/mitsumi2.gif

And, it was Plug and Play. No drivers added. First time usage I think.

Paul
 
D

Dave

I have never tried to boot from this USB drive, but I don't think that
my BIOS supports booting from a USB drive (unless one of the smarter
kids tells me otherwise).
I don't think you need a smart kid. Look at bios set up for boot order. If
usb is listed then it will boot from usb. How you get there depends on the
system. On modern Dell, it's the F12 key at boot up. I press repeatedly as
I power up since the system makes a determined attempt to ignore you!!
Since I don't have a usb floppy, I've no idea if this would boot a floppy.
But it's easy enough to create a bootable usb stick
 
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Kirk Bubul

I don't think you need a smart kid. Look at bios set up for boot order. If
usb is listed then it will boot from usb. How you get there depends on the
system. On modern Dell, it's the F12 key at boot up. I press repeatedly as
I power up since the system makes a determined attempt to ignore you!!
Since I don't have a usb floppy, I've no idea if this would boot a floppy.
But it's easy enough to create a bootable usb stick
On my HP, F10 at bootup gets me into the BIOS. The boot order
doesn't give me a USB choice.
 
K

Ken Springer

On my HP, F10 at bootup gets me into the BIOS. The boot order
doesn't give me a USB choice.
Does F10 get you to the BIOS settings, or simply a menu that allows you
to choose a boot device for that one time? I don't know about your HP,
but some motherboards allow you to enable/disable booting from a USB device.


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Kirk Bubul

Does F10 get you to the BIOS settings, or simply a menu that allows you
to choose a boot device for that one time? I don't know about your HP,
but some motherboards allow you to enable/disable booting from a USB device.
F10 Gets me into Setup/BIOS and gives be access to every BIOS
setting. I've fiddled with booting device settings, and a USB
choice isn't available with this Pegatron Violet3-GL8E
motherboard.
 
G

Gene E. Bloch

Bob I <[email protected]> said:
Local drives map from the start of the alphabet towards Z. Network
drives map starting at Z and working towards A. Did you map a network
drive letter right after the current Local drives? In other words was
there a letter gap between your local drives and your first mapped
network drive?
[]
Floppy drives are different - at least they are under XP; they appear as
A: (and B:).

When you say local drives map from the start of the alphabet, are you
sure they don't start at C:?
Yes floppy drives normally will be assigned A and/or B if the system
actually recognizes them to be floppy drives. C is then typically
assigned to the first hard drive partition. After that it can get a
little messy depending on mix of hard drives and partitions on them then
you will find the hardwired items like optical drives and memory card
readers, then comes the USB plugged in items. The issue is that if you
have mapped network drive letters, Windows will still place the newly
connected item in consecutive ascending letter order and if the drive
letter that would have been assigned is already assigned to the network
drive, the network gets the letter and the local drive no longer has one.
Unless there's a gap further along.

I've never had every possible drive letter assigned at the same time :)

Disclaimer: Funny sequences of *manually* assigning drive letters can
create a problem.
 
J

John Williamson

Bob I <[email protected]> said:
Local drives map from the start of the alphabet towards Z. Network
drives map starting at Z and working towards A. Did you map a network
drive letter right after the current Local drives? In other words was
there a letter gap between your local drives and your first mapped
network drive?
[]
Floppy drives are different - at least they are under XP; they appear as
A: (and B:).

When you say local drives map from the start of the alphabet, are you
sure they don't start at C:?
Yes floppy drives normally will be assigned A and/or B if the system
actually recognizes them to be floppy drives. C is then typically
assigned to the first hard drive partition. After that it can get a
little messy depending on mix of hard drives and partitions on them then
you will find the hardwired items like optical drives and memory card
readers, then comes the USB plugged in items. The issue is that if you
have mapped network drive letters, Windows will still place the newly
connected item in consecutive ascending letter order and if the drive
letter that would have been assigned is already assigned to the network
drive, the network gets the letter and the local drive no longer has one.
My experiences on 98, XP, Vista and 7 (All 32 bit) are that C: is the
first (Active, bootable) partition on the boot HD, D: is (According to
Windows default settings), either the second partition on the boot HD,
or the first partition on the second HD, if it exists. If there are 2
partitions on the boot HD as well as a second HD, then the second
partition on the boot HD normally shows up a E:, with any optical drive
taking the next available letter n all cases. A 5.25" floppy connected
to the onboard controller will normally show up as A:, with a 3.5" drive
as B:, dependng on the BIOS settings and the cable in use, with a 3.5"
USB floppy always showing up as A:, except on 98, which may or may not
recognise it, depending on whether there is a driver installed.
 
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Mike Tomlinson

John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinter said:
My experiences on 98, XP, Vista and 7 (All 32 bit) are that C: is the
first (Active, bootable) partition on the boot HD, D: is (According to
Windows default settings), either the second partition on the boot HD,
or the first partition on the second HD, if it exists. If there are 2
partitions on the boot HD as well as a second HD, then the second
partition on the boot HD normally shows up a E:, with any optical drive
taking the next available letter n all cases.
Easy way to tell what's what: open a command prompt and do

wmic logicaldisk list brief


C:\>wmic logicaldisk list brief

DeviceID DriveType FreeSpace ProviderName Size VolumeName

C: 3 76237144064 128034271232 ITCHY

D: 3 298037682176 2000396288000 SCRATCHY

E: 3 220736049152 256059109376 KRUSTY

C:\>
 
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Paul

Kirk said:
F10 Gets me into Setup/BIOS and gives be access to every BIOS
setting. I've fiddled with booting device settings, and a USB
choice isn't available with this Pegatron Violet3-GL8E
motherboard.
Look at the initial POST screen. If the POST screen doesn't show text,
then disable the BIOS splash screen. Some BIOS have an option to show a
graphical image, which covers the normal text display. Enter the BIOS
and see if it has any options to support no-graphics on the first screen.

Normally, in the text based BIOS display, first page of text, there are
two function keys mentioned near the bottom of the screen. One key,
gets you into BIOS setup. The second key, presents a BIOS "pop up boot menu".
In the pop up boot menu, you'll see hard drives, CD/DVD/drives, and also
USB flash sticks, that are plugged into the computer. You can select
a device there, and start booting.

On my current computer, <Del> enters the BIOS, and F8 is popup boot.
On my backup computer, F2 enters the BIOS, and F10 is popup boot. There's
really no way of predicting what they'll use. But the choices should be
printed at the bottom of the first screen. Even my laptop with the UEFI
BIOS, has such choices, and I've booted USB flash devices there. But
the screen goes by so quickly, it's hard to press the appropriate F key
on that one. You press "Pause/Break" key, to make the screen stand still,
so you can actually read a "fast boot screen".

That's the most likely way you'll get to use USB flash boot devices.

It doesn't make as much sense, to offer a permanent boot option
that way. While there may actually be a means in the BIOS setup screen,
to set a USB device as the default boot device, you're more likely to be
unplugging it after the current session. So it's less important to
make that selection permanent. But at least if there is a "pop up boot"
option, you should have access to USB boot.

In terms of what USB ports support boot, it would be any USB ports
supported by the Southbridge chip. For example, if you had Southbridge
and also a separate NEC USB3 chip, the BIOS is most likely to boot
from a Southbridge port, and it's less likely they'll include boot
support on the USB3 port. That's the trend in the past - the separate
peripheral chips don't tend to get support from AMI. The manufacturer (NEC)
of the chip may write some support code for it, but it's just not
going to be as good as the support for the main chip (Southbridge).
The code written by AMI, ensures the CPU, Northbridge and Southbridge,
support the full feature set. Any add-on chips aren't handled by the main
code. Once you get in Windows, proper Windows drivers ensure all the
USB ports work (and then the nightmare ends).

Paul
 
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Paul

John said:
In message <[email protected]>, Bob I <[email protected]>
writes:
Local drives map from the start of the alphabet towards Z. Network
drives map starting at Z and working towards A. Did you map a network
drive letter right after the current Local drives? In other words was
there a letter gap between your local drives and your first mapped
network drive?
[]
Floppy drives are different - at least they are under XP; they appear as
A: (and B:).

When you say local drives map from the start of the alphabet, are you
sure they don't start at C:?
Yes floppy drives normally will be assigned A and/or B if the system
actually recognizes them to be floppy drives. C is then typically
assigned to the first hard drive partition. After that it can get a
little messy depending on mix of hard drives and partitions on them then
you will find the hardwired items like optical drives and memory card
readers, then comes the USB plugged in items. The issue is that if you
have mapped network drive letters, Windows will still place the newly
connected item in consecutive ascending letter order and if the drive
letter that would have been assigned is already assigned to the network
drive, the network gets the letter and the local drive no longer has one.
My experiences on 98, XP, Vista and 7 (All 32 bit) are that C: is the
first (Active, bootable) partition on the boot HD, D: is (According to
Windows default settings), either the second partition on the boot HD,
or the first partition on the second HD, if it exists. If there are 2
partitions on the boot HD as well as a second HD, then the second
partition on the boot HD normally shows up a E:, with any optical drive
taking the next available letter n all cases. A 5.25" floppy connected
to the onboard controller will normally show up as A:, with a 3.5" drive
as B:, dependng on the BIOS settings and the cable in use, with a 3.5"
USB floppy always showing up as A:, except on 98, which may or may not
recognise it, depending on whether there is a driver installed.
Another issue with floppy, is onboard ports. If you have a motherboard
floppy connector, A:\ and B:\ tend to be reserved for the floppy connector.
If you also connect a USB floppy (like my Mitsumi based floppy),
it gets assigned a higher letter than that. And that causes
problems in certain circumstances.

To stop that, you go into the BIOS and disable the floppy ports. Once
that's done, then you may find a more traditional A:\ assignment for
the USB floppy.

I had something I needed to do, where it was necessary to get the floppy
to be A:. And that's what it took to make it work.

Paul
 
R

Roy Smith

Don said:
Is there a way I can use a USB diskette drive in Windows 7 64bit? I
plugged my floppy drive into a USB port and I could hear the audio
signal that a device was plugged in, but no drive letter was identified
in Windows Explorer. I know it is technology from yesteryear.

Thanks
Yes you can, but also keep in mind that it won't show in windows
explorer unless it has a disk in it.
 
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Paul

Roy said:
Yes you can, but also keep in mind that it won't show in windows
explorer unless it has a disk in it.
Isn't there some setting, where you can hide a removable media
device that doesn't have media in it ?

When I tested my Mitsumi USB floppy in W7 x64, A:\ showed up just fine,
without any media in the actual drive.

http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/6185/mitsumi2.gif

My drive looks like this one, and has a captive USB cable on it.

http://cdn100.iofferphoto.com/img/i...able-floppy-disk-unit-with-usb-cord-691b7.jpg

Paul
 
B

Bob I

Isn't there some setting, where you can hide a removable media
device that doesn't have media in it ?
Run/search > Folder Options, View, Hide empty drives.
 
C

Char Jackson

But that's not quite right. If you want to map a network drive to a
letter, you can choose any available letter. The choices you are given
default to Z, working towards A, but it's very each to choose a letter
other than what it defaults to.
Likewise with local drives, other than the drive you're currently running
from.
 

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