64-bit W7's XP Mode vs. VirtualBox and VMware Workstation.


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Ant

Hi!

I use the latest/newest VirtualBox and VMware Workstation versions. I
like VMware Workstation a lot more because it has drag and drop between
guests and hosts, be able to pause session and exit the program and come
back later, clipboard sharing, etc. Obviously, VirtualBox is faster and
free compared to VMware Workstations.

I noticed W7 (Professional and higher editions; debating to get it with
XPM or not) comes with its XP Mode in Connectix's VirtualPC (used it
many years ago on my PowerBook G4's Mac OS X 10.2.8 [didn't like it
though, but maybe it is a lot better now?]. How is it compared to the
other two VMs? I assume this only works with XP SP3 and not other OSes
like Linux, Windows 2000 SP4, 9x, etc. Can I do the same actions like in
VMware Workstations (e.g., drag and drop between hosts, pausing session
and exiting program, snapshots)?

Thank you in advance. :)
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Chet

Hi!

I use the latest/newest VirtualBox and VMware Workstation versions.
I like VMware Workstation a lot more because it has drag and drop
between guests and hosts, be able to pause session and exit the
program and come back later, clipboard sharing, etc. Obviously,
VirtualBox is faster and free compared to VMware Workstations.

I noticed W7 (Professional and higher editions; debating to get it
with XPM or not) comes with its XP Mode in Connectix's VirtualPC
(used it many years ago on my PowerBook G4's Mac OS X 10.2.8 [didn't
like it though, but maybe it is a lot better now?]. How is it
compared to the other two VMs? I assume this only works with XP SP3
and not other OSes like Linux, Windows 2000 SP4, 9x, etc. Can I do
the same actions like in VMware Workstations (e.g., drag and drop
between hosts, pausing session and exiting program, snapshots)?

Thank you in advance. :)
Microsoft Virtual PC will work with other OS's besides the XP Mode.

On my Win7 Pro x64 desktop I have XP Mode (XP SP3 x86) and an
evaluation version of Win7 Enterprise x86 in Virtual PC.

On the same machine I also have VirtualBox installed with an
evaluation version of Win7 Enterprise x64 and the Windows Developer
Preview (aka Windows 8) x64.

All four run and perform fine but then I have 3.25GB RAM allocated
for the x86 in Virtual PC and 4GB RAM + 256MB video RAM + a 4 core
processor allocated for the x64 VMs in VirtualBox. I have an i7 930
with 8 total cores and 12GB RAM on that DIY physical machine.

I prefer VirtualBox as it allows me more control over the VM, such
as being able to run 64-bit VMs, assigning a VM with more than a
single core for the processor and setting the amount of video RAM.

Right now I really only utilize the Win7 VM in VirtualBox for an
intranet web site (movie library actually) on IIS7.5 for my home
network of six machines.

Virtual PC doesn't have snapshots like VirtualBox, but has Undo
Disks that allow you to discard changes or applying them to the
..vhd. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by pausing a session but
you can hibernate the VM vs. shutting down.

I've never used VMware so I can't compare it with Virtual PC.

hth
 
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Ant

I use the latest/newest VirtualBox and VMware Workstation versions.
I like VMware Workstation a lot more because it has drag and drop
between guests and hosts, be able to pause session and exit the
program and come back later, clipboard sharing, etc. Obviously,
VirtualBox is faster and free compared to VMware Workstations.

I noticed W7 (Professional and higher editions; debating to get it
with XPM or not) comes with its XP Mode in Connectix's VirtualPC
(used it many years ago on my PowerBook G4's Mac OS X 10.2.8 [didn't
like it though, but maybe it is a lot better now?]. How is it
compared to the other two VMs? I assume this only works with XP SP3
and not other OSes like Linux, Windows 2000 SP4, 9x, etc. Can I do
the same actions like in VMware Workstations (e.g., drag and drop
between hosts, pausing session and exiting program, snapshots)?
Microsoft Virtual PC will work with other OS's besides the XP Mode.
Cool! I thought it was limited to very few OSes like only MS products
and no non-MS products (e.g., Linux).

On my Win7 Pro x64 desktop I have XP Mode (XP SP3 x86) and an evaluation
version of Win7 Enterprise x86 in Virtual PC.

On the same machine I also have VirtualBox installed with an evaluation
version of Win7 Enterprise x64 and the Windows Developer Preview (aka
Windows 8) x64.

All four run and perform fine but then I have 3.25GB RAM allocated for
the x86 in Virtual PC and 4GB RAM + 256MB video RAM + a 4 core processor
allocated for the x64 VMs in VirtualBox. I have an i7 930 with 8 total
cores and 12GB RAM on that DIY physical machine.

I prefer VirtualBox as it allows me more control over the VM, such as
being able to run 64-bit VMs, assigning a VM with more than a single
core for the processor and setting the amount of video RAM.
Wait, 64-bit W7's provided VirtualPC can't do 64-bit guest OSes and more
than one cores when I have eight? :(

Right now I really only utilize the Win7 VM in VirtualBox for an
intranet web site (movie library actually) on IIS7.5 for my home network
of six machines.

Virtual PC doesn't have snapshots like VirtualBox, but has Undo Disks
that allow you to discard changes or applying them to the .vhd. I'm not
sure exactly what you mean by pausing a session but you can hibernate
the VM vs. shutting down.
Hibernate like putting virtual machine to sleep? I don't want that. Why
not just freeze it like in VirtualBox and VMware Workstation? VirtualBox
doesn't let me exit if I put it in pause/freeze status though. VMware
Workstation can.

I've never used VMware so I can't compare it with Virtual PC.
OK.
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VanguardLH

Ant said:
Hi!

I use the latest/newest VirtualBox and VMware Workstation versions. I
like VMware Workstation a lot more because it has drag and drop between
guests and hosts, be able to pause session and exit the program and come
back later, clipboard sharing, etc. Obviously, VirtualBox is faster and
free compared to VMware Workstations.

I noticed W7 (Professional and higher editions; debating to get it with
XPM or not) comes with its XP Mode in Connectix's VirtualPC (used it
many years ago on my PowerBook G4's Mac OS X 10.2.8 [didn't like it
though, but maybe it is a lot better now?]. How is it compared to the
other two VMs? I assume this only works with XP SP3 and not other OSes
like Linux, Windows 2000 SP4, 9x, etc. Can I do the same actions like in
VMware Workstations (e.g., drag and drop between hosts, pausing session
and exiting program, snapshots)?

Thank you in advance. :)
Also see replies to your 2nd reposting of your SAME post submitted over
3 hours later.
 
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Ant

I use the latest/newest VirtualBox and VMware Workstation versions. I
like VMware Workstation a lot more because it has drag and drop between
guests and hosts, be able to pause session and exit the program and come
back later, clipboard sharing, etc. Obviously, VirtualBox is faster and
free compared to VMware Workstations.

I noticed W7 (Professional and higher editions; debating to get it with
XPM or not) comes with its XP Mode in Connectix's VirtualPC (used it
many years ago on my PowerBook G4's Mac OS X 10.2.8 [didn't like it
though, but maybe it is a lot better now?]. How is it compared to the
other two VMs? I assume this only works with XP SP3 and not other OSes
like Linux, Windows 2000 SP4, 9x, etc. Can I do the same actions like in
VMware Workstations (e.g., drag and drop between hosts, pausing session
and exiting program, snapshots)?

Thank you in advance. :)
Also see replies to your 2nd reposting of your SAME post submitted over
3 hours later.
Sorry about that. I saw that, but cancelled it. It looked it didn't
cancel afterall. :(
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Char Jackson

Sorry about that. I saw that, but cancelled it. It looked it didn't
cancel afterall. :(
Usenet cancels haven't worked in more than a decade, have they? Too
much opportunity for abuse. Once it's out there, it's out there.
 
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Ant

Usenet cancels haven't worked in more than a decade, have they? Too
much opportunity for abuse. Once it's out there, it's out there.
I know it doesn't work on news.mozilla.org. I have seen it worked here
on GigaNews, but I think I was way too late (three hours). I usually do
it minutes later and that worked. Or maybe it doesn't work anymore. :(
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Stan Brown

Usenet cancels haven't worked in more than a decade, have they? Too
much opportunity for abuse. Once it's out there, it's out there.
When you say "Usenet cancels haven't worked", that sounds like
there's some Usenet mechanism that makes hem not work. To the best
of my understanding, that's not the case. The cancels still travel
to all servers, just as the articles did. But administrators of the
important servers made a decision not to honor cancels, because of
the problem of forgery. I imagine there are some servers out there
that still do honor cancels, though they may be small ones no one has
heard of.

My own server, news.individual.net, does seem to honor a cancel if I
send it on my own article within a few seconds of sending the
article, but not otherwise.
 
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Paul

Stan said:
When you say "Usenet cancels haven't worked", that sounds like
there's some Usenet mechanism that makes hem not work. To the best
of my understanding, that's not the case. The cancels still travel
to all servers, just as the articles did. But administrators of the
important servers made a decision not to honor cancels, because of
the problem of forgery. I imagine there are some servers out there
that still do honor cancels, though they may be small ones no one has
heard of.

My own server, news.individual.net, does seem to honor a cancel if I
send it on my own article within a few seconds of sending the
article, but not otherwise.
And if you look at the header of your message, you'll notice it has
a Cancel-Lock line.

http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/usefor/drafts/draft-ietf-usefor-cancel-lock-01.txt

"These two headers MAY be used by posters, posting agents, moderators and
injecting agents in order to mark articles they process and to verify
canceling, superseding and replacing articles that may subsequently be
issued for those originals."

This could be added by your USENET server, on a message you post.

Paul
 
S

Stan Brown

And if you look at the header of your message, you'll notice it has
a Cancel-Lock line.

http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/usefor/drafts/draft-ietf-usefor-cancel-lock-01.txt

"These two headers MAY be used by posters, posting agents, moderators and
injecting agents in order to mark articles they process and to verify
canceling, superseding and replacing articles that may subsequently be
issued for those originals."

This could be added by your USENET server, on a message you post.
Interesting! I hardly have occasion to look at the headers of my own
articles, but since I'd never heard of that header before it must e
n.i.n that adds it. :)
 
C

Char Jackson

When you say "Usenet cancels haven't worked", that sounds like
there's some Usenet mechanism that makes hem not work. To the best
of my understanding, that's not the case. The cancels still travel
to all servers, just as the articles did. But administrators of the
important servers made a decision not to honor cancels, because of
the problem of forgery. I imagine there are some servers out there
that still do honor cancels, though they may be small ones no one has
heard of.
That sounds like a distinction without a difference. The net result is
that cancels don't work, right?
 
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