32 GB memory stick

[choro]

(Snip)


We were issued rifles in RVN, but they were kept securely locked up.

We took them out once a month for cleaning. I never fired a shot
either except in training, and I've owned a couple of guns throughout
my lifetime for shooting at paper targets, but I've never been
hunting. Don't own one now.

(Snip)


There are a lot of young - very young women in Mexico looking for a
sugar daddy, but money is all they are interested in. Mexico has a
very poor population for the most part, although is is an affluent
class, too.

(Snip)


I won't get married again. Single women my age have too much baggage
such as ex's, children and grandchildren. I doubt that I'll even get
close to one.

Never say never because if the right one comes along you'll soon change
your tune. But of course it is a fact that the older you get, the less
the chances of the right one coming along. In addition to that the less
you socialize the less chances you get of catching the bird! So bear
this in mind. But we do get more and more choosy the older we get!
That's yet another of the hard facts of life.

So the best thing to do is to live your life as you want to live it and
let things take care of themselves bearing in mind that the less you
socialize the less your chances of hooking that elusive bird.
-- choro

 

[Mack A. Damia]

Never say never because if the right one comes along you'll soon change
your tune. But of course it is a fact that the older you get, the less
the chances of the right one coming along. In addition to that the less
you socialize the less chances you get of catching the bird! So bear
this in mind. But we do get more and more choosy the older we get!
That's yet another of the hard facts of life.

So the best thing to do is to live your life as you want to live it and
let things take care of themselves bearing in mind that the less you
socialize the less your chances of hooking that elusive bird.

I really doubt it because I want to be the master of my domain. Can't
recall if I mentioned this before, but I don't want anybody disturbing
me or telling me what to do in my own house.

I could never bring myself around to getting married - I had thought
of a child; I'm still virile enough to father one, but my entire life
would be turned upside down, what, at age 64?

No way.

 

[choro]

But the pieces above aren't cigány (cigany) music...They are ethnic
Hungarian songs; Mezõség (Mezoseg) is an ethnic Hungarian enclave in
Romania.

Of course it gets tricky. The Roma in Eastern Europe play local music as
well as Rom music, and the non-Roma play Rom music as well as their own,
and so on and so forth. And everybody learns from everybody else...

It's all kind of fun.

Another interesting thing to me is the large number of songs with the
most divine melodies singing about how the Turks killed my boyfriend, so
I'm going to kill some Turks, or (one of the Macedonian ones I posted)
about Katushe, who is married to a drunkard, and while the other
husbands are working in the fields, he's at the tavern, or another
really beautiful song about "No, Stojan, it's not raining, those are my
tears falling on your face because you're dying, and when you do, the
Turks will rape me and take our son into slavery...".

Well, to me it all sounds the same sort of music. I guess if I go deeper
into it, I will start learning to differentiate between the two types of
music.
-- choro

 

[choro]

On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:48:08 +0000, choro wrote:

On 21/11/2011 23:21, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
For the correct spelling of Dvorak, with those funny characters, see
http://www.procantare.org/images/march04_prog_notes.pdf

This I copied from Stumbling Block's posting and it shows up properly
on MY screen...
"BTW, it's Dvo0>
If you can't see it properly you must set your News Reader to use the
Western-ISO-8859-1 for your Default Character Encoding. At least
that's what I have got mine set to.

You'll find it under...
Tools>Account Settings>Server Settings -- at least in Thunderbird.
-- choro

I fear this ancient Turnpike doesn't (AFAIK) have the ability to
select
which set it is using. (But it might and I don't know about it.)
[]

The second option is the more likely one. But in this day and age I
can't understand why they can't write programs that will automatically
select the character encoding used and automatically display the
correct
characters. But I guess we are not far off that target.
-- choro

I've discovered that my newsreader tries to do that by choosing its
character sets according to a mysterious cabalistic code, which helps
mess up some people trying to read my posts when I use non-English
characters. I've made changes, but I have little faith ...

Unicode was supposed to rid us of all those problems. But it hasn't!
It's just added to the mayhem.

Here's some classical Greek in Unicode.
I wait to see what it transmutes into a while down the line.
Probably just a load of ??????????
Ἐν á¼€Ïχῇ ἦν ὠλόγος, καὶ ὠλόγος ἦν Ï€Ïὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὠλόγος. 2
οὗτος ἦν á¼Î½ á¼€Ïχῇ Ï€Ïὸς τὸν θεόν. 3 πάντα δι’ αá½Ï„οῦ á¼Î³á½³Î½ÎµÏ„ο, καὶ χωÏὶς
αá½Ï„οῦ á¼Î³á½³Î½ÎµÏ„ο οá½Î´á½² ἕν. ὃ γέγονεν 4 á¼Î½ αá½Ï„á¿· ζωὴ ἦν, καὶ ἡ ζωὴ ἦν τὸ φῶς
τῶν ἀνθÏώπων· 5 καὶ τὸ φῶς á¼Î½ τῇ σκοτίᾳ φαίνει, καὶ ἡ σκοτία αá½Ï„ὸ οá½
κατέλαβεν.

Perfetto in my screen!
-- choro

I guess I should have said "on" my screen. How did I let this one slip
through?

I know! It is "Wakey, wake up!" time and I am still *at* it instead of
being at it! Did I hear you say, "At what?"

Do you mind? There might be children following this very thread!!!
-- choro

 

[Daniel James]

Nobody has begged you to read their posts.

It's not a matter of begging ... if you post to usenet it must be
presumed that you do so because you believe you have something to say
that others will wish to read -- otherwise it is pure vanity.

If you are posting so that others may read it behoves you to post in
such a manner as to facilitate that reading. Laziness is not an excuse.
It's accepted usenet etiquette that the a reply should contain only so
much quoted material as is needed to establish its context.

Should anyone want to read the whole of the original message it will be
held on the news server (and maybe in the client) for some time, and
after that may be available from an archive such as Google groups.
There's no need to quote the whole thing.

Cheers,
Daniel.

 

[choro]

It's not a matter of begging ... if you post to usenet it must be
presumed that you do so because you believe you have something to say
that others will wish to read -- otherwise it is pure vanity.

If you are posting so that others may read it behoves you to post in
such a manner as to facilitate that reading. Laziness is not an excuse.
It's accepted usenet etiquette that the a reply should contain only so
much quoted material as is needed to establish its context.

Should anyone want to read the whole of the original message it will be
held on the news server (and maybe in the client) for some time, and
after that may be available from an archive such as Google groups.
There's no need to quote the whole thing.

Cheers,
Daniel.

The times and the technology have changed since those netiquette rules
were created. A quick CTRL+End or a scroll of the mouse wheel will take
you to the bottom in no time. So there is scope for top posting, bottom
posting and responding para by para. You choose the style that you
figure out in a split second decision that is best for any given
circumstance.

And I repeat, you don't have to read my posts. Hopefully not everybody
shares YOUR views on this matter.

I write things in a jiffy and hardly have to go back and read what I
wrote. Years of writing 8 to 10K words professionally gave me this
knack. Naturally I do not have to tell you that I am a touch typist.

And as your posting is quite short I'll shove my reply up yer arse! ;-)

I think I told you I can be rude. Very rude!
-- choro

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Well, to me it all sounds the same sort of music. I guess if I go deeper
into it, I will start learning to differentiate between the two types of
music.
-- choro

When you listen & dance to it over a span of years (decades), you learn
that there are many more than two types of music in Eastern Europe, even
within one locale, such as Transylvania. But it is like anything else,
familiarity or lack of it makes all the difference.

Lots of people in the US can't distinguish among country music,
bluegrass, and Cajun, but it's for the same reason. It isn't their bag,
so they haven't developed familiarity.

And of course, for the same reason, I can't distinguish among many
genres that others easily distinguish.

Quick story: I once was involved in a car accident; the people in the
other car were Ethiopian. Another car stopped to help, and from the
conversation, I thought they were friends. "No", the other driver said,
"they just recognized us as Ethiopians and stopped to help". They
*knew*, and of course I didn't...and still can't tell...

This is the San Francisco Bay Area, a microcosm of the whole world

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

It was me again, choro who said it. Of course there is some truth in
what you say too. But you were trying to pass judgment on Glenn Gould
and who are you to brand him as playing like a robot? I am sorry but

That wasn't me.

the sort of complex music Bach composed is known as "musician's music"

It certainly seems popular with mathematicians.

and though a musical education or training is not necessary it helps in
enjoying it and appreciating it. And Glenn Gould is a fine player up
there with the best of the best.

BTW, were you the one who adored Liberace? I can never remember names
because I respond to ideas, not individuals. If so then go and listen
to him and let me enjoy Glenn Gould's interpretation of Bach.
-- choro

[]

I'm not stopping you. And though it wasn't me who spoke in favour of
Liberace, I _do_ think he did a lot to spread the appreciation of
classical music. His showmanship - especially later in his career - and
his unguent accent are certainly not to everyone's taste. I believe
(especially after some of the posts in this thread) that, especially in
his early to middle career, he _was_ a skilled performer.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"How many noble trees have given their lives to become bibles? How many have
died to become korans? It's not their fault. It's not the fault of the trees."
- Jason Woodrue

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On 21/11/2011 12:12, Mack A. Damia wrote: []
I live in a deserted community - don't have many friends at all. I'm
on the beach and own a gorgeous home overlooking the Pacific Ocean.
Hate to give it up, but there's nothing going on down here. Trouble
is, I could move somewhere and experience the same thing. I'm not
much of a social animal, and that's what is good about the Internet
and Usenet.

This is the bane of modern society. We tend to live a lonely life in a
sea of a multitude of people. Luckily for me, I am in email touch with

Why is something that allows us to have lots of friends, without having
to physically share our space with them, a "bane" - or is that not what
you meant there?

Because meeting friends in real life is different. It is like the

Yes, but that doesn't make something which makes non-physical "meeting"
easier a bane.

difference between going to a concert or listening to the same music on
a home music system. The atmosphere is not the same. I met some friends

(No, you can smell each other.)

today and am chatting here with you lot who I have started thinking of
as Internet friends. And though I enjoy both types, real life meeting

Likewise - I'm thinking of several in this thread as friends; should I
get the chance to meet in person, I might well do so. (Is that the
effect of a bane?)

with friends offers infinitely more than Internet friendship. []
Who doesn't like a bit of privacy? But man being a social animal, he

Speak for yourself ... (-:

needs the physical human companionship as well. The important thing, I

.... seriously, yes, but we all have different degrees of such need.
[]

And in any case, I am not asking for everybody to listen to Glenn
Gould. All I am doing is saying that Glenn Gould is a phenomenal player
and not to be compared with the likes of Liberace. If you do not
respect my view, nobody is forcing you to stop listening to Liberace
and start listening to Glenn Gould.

And nobody is forcing _you_ to do the opposite.

But I am not going to lower my standards for the equivalent of
political correctness in the field of music.
-- choro

I don't know Bach well enough to comment myself, but I can see that
someone could play so precisely that he will enthral some listeners, and
bore others.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"How many noble trees have given their lives to become bibles? How many have
died to become korans? It's not their fault. It's not the fault of the trees."
- Jason Woodrue

 

[Ed Cryer]

On 22/11/2011 18:35, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:48:08 +0000, choro wrote:

On 21/11/2011 23:21, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
For the correct spelling of Dvorak, with those funny characters, see
http://www.procantare.org/images/march04_prog_notes.pdf

This I copied from Stumbling Block's posting and it shows up
properly
on MY screen...
"BTW, it's Dvo0>
If you can't see it properly you must set your News Reader to use
the
Western-ISO-8859-1 for your Default Character Encoding. At least
that's what I have got mine set to.

You'll find it under...
Tools>Account Settings>Server Settings -- at least in Thunderbird.
-- choro

I fear this ancient Turnpike doesn't (AFAIK) have the ability to
select
which set it is using. (But it might and I don't know about it.)
[]

The second option is the more likely one. But in this day and age I
can't understand why they can't write programs that will automatically
select the character encoding used and automatically display the
correct
characters. But I guess we are not far off that target.
-- choro

I've discovered that my newsreader tries to do that by choosing its
character sets according to a mysterious cabalistic code, which helps
mess up some people trying to read my posts when I use non-English
characters. I've made changes, but I have little faith ...


Unicode was supposed to rid us of all those problems. But it hasn't!
It's just added to the mayhem.

Here's some classical Greek in Unicode.
I wait to see what it transmutes into a while down the line.
Probably just a load of ??????????
Ἐν á¼€Ïχῇ ἦν ὠλόγος, καὶ ὠλόγος ἦν Ï€Ïὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὠλόγος. 2
οὗτος ἦν á¼Î½ á¼€Ïχῇ Ï€Ïὸς τὸν θεόν. 3 πάντα δι’ αá½Ï„οῦ á¼Î³á½³Î½ÎµÏ„ο, καὶ χωÏὶς
αá½Ï„οῦ á¼Î³á½³Î½ÎµÏ„ο οá½Î´á½² ἕν. ὃ γέγονεν 4 á¼Î½ αá½Ï„á¿· ζωὴ ἦν, καὶ ἡ ζωὴ ἦν τὸ φῶς
τῶν ἀνθÏώπων· 5 καὶ τὸ φῶς á¼Î½ τῇ σκοτίᾳ φαίνει, καὶ ἡ σκοτία αá½Ï„ὸ οá½
κατέλαβεν.

Perfetto in my screen!
-- choro

I guess I should have said "on" my screen. How did I let this one slip
through?

I know! It is "Wakey, wake up!" time and I am still *at* it instead of
being at it! Did I hear you say, "At what?"

Do you mind? There might be children following this very thread!!!
-- choro

Excellent. You've stayed in Unicode and it's still there with all its
strange diacriticals that modern Greek has abandoned.

For those asking what it actually is, it's the opening paragraph of St
John's Gospel; In the beginning was the Word.

Ed

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

On 22/11/2011 20:15, Ed Cryer wrote:
On 22/11/2011 18:35, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:48:08 +0000, choro wrote:

On 21/11/2011 23:21, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
For the correct spelling of Dvorak, with those funny characters, see
http://www.procantare.org/images/march04_prog_notes.pdf

This I copied from Stumbling Block's posting and it shows up
properly
on MY screen...
"BTW, it's Dvo0>
If you can't see it properly you must set your News Reader to use
the
Western-ISO-8859-1 for your Default Character Encoding. At least
that's what I have got mine set to.

You'll find it under...
Tools>Account Settings>Server Settings -- at least in Thunderbird.
-- choro

I fear this ancient Turnpike doesn't (AFAIK) have the ability to
select
which set it is using. (But it might and I don't know about it.)
[]

The second option is the more likely one. But in this day and age I
can't understand why they can't write programs that will automatically
select the character encoding used and automatically display the
correct
characters. But I guess we are not far off that target.
-- choro

I've discovered that my newsreader tries to do that by choosing its
character sets according to a mysterious cabalistic code, which helps
mess up some people trying to read my posts when I use non-English
characters. I've made changes, but I have little faith ...


Unicode was supposed to rid us of all those problems. But it hasn't!
It's just added to the mayhem.

Here's some classical Greek in Unicode.
I wait to see what it transmutes into a while down the line.
Probably just a load of ??????????
Ἐν á¼€Ïχῇ ἦν ὠλόγος, καὶ ὠλόγος ἦν Ï€Ïὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὠλόγος. 2
οὗτος ἦν á¼Î½ á¼€Ïχῇ Ï€Ïὸς τὸν θεόν. 3 πάντα δι’ αá½Ï„οῦ á¼Î³á½³Î½ÎµÏ„ο, καὶ χωÏὶς
αá½Ï„οῦ á¼Î³á½³Î½ÎµÏ„ο οá½Î´á½² ἕν. ὃ γέγονεν 4 á¼Î½ αá½Ï„á¿· ζωὴ ἦν, καὶ ἡ ζωὴ ἦν τὸ φῶς
τῶν ἀνθÏώπων· 5 καὶ τὸ φῶς á¼Î½ τῇ σκοτίᾳ φαίνει, καὶ ἡ σκοτία αá½Ï„ὸ οá½
κατέλαβεν.

Perfetto in my screen!
-- choro

I guess I should have said "on" my screen. How did I let this one slip
through?

I know! It is "Wakey, wake up!" time and I am still *at* it instead of
being at it! Did I hear you say, "At what?"

Do you mind? There might be children following this very thread!!!
-- choro

Ed

Excellent. You've stayed in Unicode and it's still there with all its
strange diacriticals that modern Greek has abandoned.

For those asking what it actually is, it's the opening paragraph of St
John's Gospel; In the beginning was the Word.

Ed

And it's no easier to understand in Greek than in English

 

[choro]

It was me again, choro who said it. Of course there is some truth in
what you say too. But you were trying to pass judgment on Glenn Gould
and who are you to brand him as playing like a robot? I am sorry but

That wasn't me.

the sort of complex music Bach composed is known as "musician's music"

It certainly seems popular with mathematicians.

and though a musical education or training is not necessary it helps
in enjoying it and appreciating it. And Glenn Gould is a fine player
up there with the best of the best.

BTW, were you the one who adored Liberace? I can never remember names
because I respond to ideas, not individuals. If so then go and listen
to him and let me enjoy Glenn Gould's interpretation of Bach.
-- choro

[]

I'm not stopping you. And though it wasn't me who spoke in favour of
Liberace, I _do_ think he did a lot to spread the appreciation of
classical music. His showmanship - especially later in his career - and
his unguent accent are certainly not to everyone's taste. I believe
(especially after some of the posts in this thread) that, especially in
his early to middle career, he _was_ a skilled performer.

As much as Trabant was a fine car!
-- choro

 

[choro]

[]
I live in a deserted community - don't have many friends at all. I'm
on the beach and own a gorgeous home overlooking the Pacific Ocean.
Hate to give it up, but there's nothing going on down here. Trouble
is, I could move somewhere and experience the same thing. I'm not
much of a social animal, and that's what is good about the Internet
and Usenet.

This is the bane of modern society. We tend to live a lonely life in a
sea of a multitude of people. Luckily for me, I am in email touch with

Why is something that allows us to have lots of friends, without having
to physically share our space with them, a "bane" - or is that not what
you meant there?

Because meeting friends in real life is different. It is like the

Yes, but that doesn't make something which makes non-physical "meeting"
easier a bane.

difference between going to a concert or listening to the same music
on a home music system. The atmosphere is not the same. I met some
friends

(No, you can smell each other.)

today and am chatting here with you lot who I have started thinking of
as Internet friends. And though I enjoy both types, real life meeting

Likewise - I'm thinking of several in this thread as friends; should I
get the chance to meet in person, I might well do so. (Is that the
effect of a bane?)

with friends offers infinitely more than Internet friendship. []
Who doesn't like a bit of privacy? But man being a social animal, he

Speak for yourself ... (-:

needs the physical human companionship as well. The important thing, I

... seriously, yes, but we all have different degrees of such need.
[]

And in any case, I am not asking for everybody to listen to Glenn
Gould. All I am doing is saying that Glenn Gould is a phenomenal
player and not to be compared with the likes of Liberace. If you do
not respect my view, nobody is forcing you to stop listening to
Liberace and start listening to Glenn Gould.

And nobody is forcing _you_ to do the opposite.

But I am not going to lower my standards for the equivalent of
political correctness in the field of music.
-- choro

I don't know Bach well enough to comment myself, but I can see that
someone could play so precisely that he will enthral some listeners, and
bore others.

Each to his own, as they say! I once heard a Cockney man describe girls'
breasts *"like two fried eggs"*. But I guess he was talking of fresh
laid eggs preferably laid within the last 24 hours. But failing that I
prefer to buy the freshest eggs I can because when you break a not very
fresh egg into a frying pan the white spread out to cover most of the
base of the frying pan and they they look like a geriatric woman's
breasts! For those who don't know any better, what does it matter any
way? To them an egg is an egg and that is the end of the matter. But if
you know the difference, what then?!
-- choro

 

[Mack A. Damia]

On 22/11/2011 20:55, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[]
I live in a deserted community - don't have many friends at all. I'm
on the beach and own a gorgeous home overlooking the Pacific Ocean.
Hate to give it up, but there's nothing going on down here. Trouble
is, I could move somewhere and experience the same thing. I'm not
much of a social animal, and that's what is good about the Internet
and Usenet.

This is the bane of modern society. We tend to live a lonely life in a
sea of a multitude of people. Luckily for me, I am in email touch with

Why is something that allows us to have lots of friends, without having
to physically share our space with them, a "bane" - or is that not what
you meant there?

Because meeting friends in real life is different. It is like the

Yes, but that doesn't make something which makes non-physical "meeting"
easier a bane.

difference between going to a concert or listening to the same music
on a home music system. The atmosphere is not the same. I met some
friends

(No, you can smell each other.)

today and am chatting here with you lot who I have started thinking of
as Internet friends. And though I enjoy both types, real life meeting

Likewise - I'm thinking of several in this thread as friends; should I
get the chance to meet in person, I might well do so. (Is that the
effect of a bane?)

with friends offers infinitely more than Internet friendship. []
Who doesn't like a bit of privacy? But man being a social animal, he

Speak for yourself ... (-:

needs the physical human companionship as well. The important thing, I

... seriously, yes, but we all have different degrees of such need.
[]

And in any case, I am not asking for everybody to listen to Glenn
Gould. All I am doing is saying that Glenn Gould is a phenomenal
player and not to be compared with the likes of Liberace. If you do
not respect my view, nobody is forcing you to stop listening to
Liberace and start listening to Glenn Gould.

And nobody is forcing _you_ to do the opposite.

But I am not going to lower my standards for the equivalent of
political correctness in the field of music.
-- choro

I don't know Bach well enough to comment myself, but I can see that
someone could play so precisely that he will enthral some listeners, and
bore others.

Each to his own, as they say! I once heard a Cockney man describe girls'
breasts *"like two fried eggs"*. But I guess he was talking of fresh
laid eggs preferably laid within the last 24 hours. But failing that I
prefer to buy the freshest eggs I can because when you break a not very
fresh egg into a frying pan the white spread out to cover most of the
base of the frying pan and they they look like a geriatric woman's
breasts! For those who don't know any better, what does it matter any
way? To them an egg is an egg and that is the end of the matter. But if
you know the difference, what then?!

http://cheerslove.org/images/apparition.gif

 

[Daniel James]

The times and the technology have changed since those netiquette
rules were created.

They have indeed -- at one time it was important to follow those
guidelines in order to minimize communications costs, now it is more a
matter of courtesy.

The guidelines are still good ones, though.

A quick CTRL+End or a scroll of the mouse wheel will take
you to the bottom in no time.

That may be an appropriate course of action where all the new text is
at the bottom. If the poster has inserted remarks within the long body
of quoted text they will be missed.

And I repeat, you don't have to read my posts. Hopefully not
everybody shares YOUR views on this matter.

I don't have to, no ... but some of what you say is interesting and
worthwhile. I should be sorry to miss it ... but I resent having to
work for it -- that's your job. One of the things that makes posting to
usenet satisfying is taking the time to craft a posting so that it's
easy to read and its content is clear.

I write things in a jiffy and hardly have to go back and read what I
wrote. Years of writing 8 to 10K words professionally gave me this
knack.

That's not a knack, it's a curse!

I think I told you I can be rude. Very rude!

I believe we have seen some evidence of that.

Cheers,
Daniel.

 

[Ed Cryer]

On 23/11/2011 04:50, choro wrote:
On 22/11/2011 20:15, Ed Cryer wrote:
On 22/11/2011 18:35, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:48:08 +0000, choro wrote:

On 21/11/2011 23:21, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
For the correct spelling of Dvorak, with those funny characters, see
http://www.procantare.org/images/march04_prog_notes.pdf

This I copied from Stumbling Block's posting and it shows up
properly
on MY screen...
"BTW, it's Dvo0>
If you can't see it properly you must set your News Reader to use
the
Western-ISO-8859-1 for your Default Character Encoding. At least
that's what I have got mine set to.

You'll find it under...
Tools>Account Settings>Server Settings -- at least in Thunderbird.
-- choro

I fear this ancient Turnpike doesn't (AFAIK) have the ability to
select
which set it is using. (But it might and I don't know about it.)
[]

The second option is the more likely one. But in this day and age I
can't understand why they can't write programs that will automatically
select the character encoding used and automatically display the
correct
characters. But I guess we are not far off that target.
-- choro

I've discovered that my newsreader tries to do that by choosing its
character sets according to a mysterious cabalistic code, which helps
mess up some people trying to read my posts when I use non-English
characters. I've made changes, but I have little faith ...


Unicode was supposed to rid us of all those problems. But it hasn't!
It's just added to the mayhem.

Here's some classical Greek in Unicode.
I wait to see what it transmutes into a while down the line.
Probably just a load of ??????????
Ἐν á¼€Ïχῇ ἦν ὠλόγος, καὶ ὠλόγος ἦν Ï€Ïὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὠλόγος. 2
οὗτος ἦν á¼Î½ á¼€Ïχῇ Ï€Ïὸς τὸν θεόν. 3 πάντα δι’ αá½Ï„οῦ á¼Î³á½³Î½ÎµÏ„ο, καὶ χωÏὶς
αá½Ï„οῦ á¼Î³á½³Î½ÎµÏ„ο οá½Î´á½² ἕν. ὃ γέγονεν 4 á¼Î½ αá½Ï„á¿· ζωὴ ἦν, καὶ ἡ ζωὴ ἦν τὸ φῶς
τῶν ἀνθÏώπων· 5 καὶ τὸ φῶς á¼Î½ τῇ σκοτίᾳ φαίνει, καὶ ἡ σκοτία αá½Ï„ὸ οá½
κατέλαβεν.

Perfetto in my screen!
-- choro

I guess I should have said "on" my screen. How did I let this one slip
through?

I know! It is "Wakey, wake up!" time and I am still *at* it instead of
being at it! Did I hear you say, "At what?"

Do you mind? There might be children following this very thread!!!
-- choro


Ed

Excellent. You've stayed in Unicode and it's still there with all its
strange diacriticals that modern Greek has abandoned.

For those asking what it actually is, it's the opening paragraph of St
John's Gospel; In the beginning was the Word.

Ed

And it's no easier to understand in Greek than in English

It's easy in English if you change "Word". In Greek it's "logos"; and
that meant something more like rationality or reason.
So, it's mainstream ancient Greek philosophy of the Plato/ Aristotle
type. Reason and godhead, they go together, reason is divine, humans
have it.

St John seems to have known quite a bit of Greek philosophy. He's the
only one who has Pilate asking Jesus "What is truth?".

And it's easy to see why St Jerome translated it into Latin as "Verbum".
He didn't want that pre-Christian sophistry cluttering up the unmediated
word of God.

Ed

 

[Ed Cryer]

They have indeed -- at one time it was important to follow those
guidelines in order to minimize communications costs, now it is more a
matter of courtesy.

The guidelines are still good ones, though.


That may be an appropriate course of action where all the new text is
at the bottom. If the poster has inserted remarks within the long body
of quoted text they will be missed.


I don't have to, no ... but some of what you say is interesting and
worthwhile. I should be sorry to miss it ... but I resent having to
work for it -- that's your job. One of the things that makes posting to
usenet satisfying is taking the time to craft a posting so that it's
easy to read and its content is clear.


That's not a knack, it's a curse!


I believe we have seen some evidence of that.

Cheers,
Daniel.

Choro's style sometimes seems more appropriate to Twitter than Usenet.
If he moved onto that he'd be competing with Stephen Fry for quantity.

Ed

 

[choro]

Choro's style sometimes seems more appropriate to Twitter than Usenet.
If he moved onto that he'd be competing with Stephen Fry for quantity.

Ed

Twitter? Wot's dat?! You trying to get an old dog learn new tricks?

And BTW, seeing your signature, it reminded me of (Ed Notes) in
brackets. ;-)
-- choro

 

[Mack A. Damia]

On 23/11/2011 06:10, choro wrote:
On 23/11/2011 04:50, choro wrote:
On 22/11/2011 20:15, Ed Cryer wrote:
On 22/11/2011 18:35, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:48:08 +0000, choro wrote:

On 21/11/2011 23:21, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
For the correct spelling of Dvorak, with those funny characters, see
http://www.procantare.org/images/march04_prog_notes.pdf

This I copied from Stumbling Block's posting and it shows up
properly
on MY screen...
"BTW, it's Dvo0>
If you can't see it properly you must set your News Reader to use
the
Western-ISO-8859-1 for your Default Character Encoding. At least
that's what I have got mine set to.

You'll find it under...
Tools>Account Settings>Server Settings -- at least in Thunderbird.
-- choro

I fear this ancient Turnpike doesn't (AFAIK) have the ability to
select
which set it is using. (But it might and I don't know about it.)
[]

The second option is the more likely one. But in this day and age I
can't understand why they can't write programs that will automatically
select the character encoding used and automatically display the
correct
characters. But I guess we are not far off that target.
-- choro

I've discovered that my newsreader tries to do that by choosing its
character sets according to a mysterious cabalistic code, which helps
mess up some people trying to read my posts when I use non-English
characters. I've made changes, but I have little faith ...


Unicode was supposed to rid us of all those problems. But it hasn't!
It's just added to the mayhem.

Here's some classical Greek in Unicode.
I wait to see what it transmutes into a while down the line.
Probably just a load of ??????????
?? ???? ?? ? ?????, ??? ? ????? ?? ???? ??? ????, ??? ???? ?? ? ?????. 2
????? ?? ?? ???? ???? ??? ????. 3 ????? ??’ ????? ???????, ??? ?????
????? ??????? ???? ??. ? ??????? 4 ?? ???? ??? ??, ??? ? ??? ?? ?? ???
??? ????????? 5 ??? ?? ??? ?? ?? ?????? ??????, ??? ? ?????? ???? ??
?????????.

Perfetto in my screen!
-- choro

I guess I should have said "on" my screen. How did I let this one slip
through?

I know! It is "Wakey, wake up!" time and I am still *at* it instead of
being at it! Did I hear you say, "At what?"

Do you mind? There might be children following this very thread!!!
-- choro


Ed

Excellent. You've stayed in Unicode and it's still there with all its
strange diacriticals that modern Greek has abandoned.

For those asking what it actually is, it's the opening paragraph of St
John's Gospel; In the beginning was the Word.

Ed

And it's no easier to understand in Greek than in English

It's easy in English if you change "Word". In Greek it's "logos"; and
that meant something more like rationality or reason.
So, it's mainstream ancient Greek philosophy of the Plato/ Aristotle
type. Reason and godhead, they go together, reason is divine, humans
have it.

St John seems to have known quite a bit of Greek philosophy. He's the
only one who has Pilate asking Jesus "What is truth?".

He didn't get an answer, did he?

Jesus should have paraphrased Potter Stewart's short concurrence in a
case involving hard core pornography: "hard-core pornography" was
hard to define, but that "I know it when I see it."

Same could be said about "truth".

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

On 23/11/2011 06:10, choro wrote:
On 23/11/2011 04:50, choro wrote:
On 22/11/2011 20:15, Ed Cryer wrote:
On 22/11/2011 18:35, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:48:08 +0000, choro wrote:

On 21/11/2011 23:21, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
For the correct spelling of Dvorak, with those funny characters,
see
http://www.procantare.org/images/march04_prog_notes.pdf

This I copied from Stumbling Block's posting and it shows up
properly
on MY screen...
"BTW, it's Dvo0>
If you can't see it properly you must set your News Reader to use
the
Western-ISO-8859-1 for your Default Character Encoding. At least
that's what I have got mine set to.

You'll find it under...
Tools>Account Settings>Server Settings -- at least in Thunderbird.
-- choro

I fear this ancient Turnpike doesn't (AFAIK) have the ability to
select
which set it is using. (But it might and I don't know about it.)
[]

The second option is the more likely one. But in this day and age I
can't understand why they can't write programs that will
automatically
select the character encoding used and automatically display the
correct
characters. But I guess we are not far off that target.
-- choro

I've discovered that my newsreader tries to do that by choosing its
character sets according to a mysterious cabalistic code, which helps
mess up some people trying to read my posts when I use non-English
characters. I've made changes, but I have little faith ...


Unicode was supposed to rid us of all those problems. But it hasn't!
It's just added to the mayhem.

Here's some classical Greek in Unicode.
I wait to see what it transmutes into a while down the line.
Probably just a load of ??????????
áü˜Î½ áü€Ïχáÿ‡ áü¦Î½ áý λáý¹Î³Î¿Ï‚, καáý¶ áý λáý¹Î³Î¿Ï‚ áü¦Î½ Ï€Ïáý¸Ï‚ Ï„áý¸Î½ θεáý¹Î½, καáý¶ θεáý¸Ï‚ áü¦Î½ áý λáý¹Î³Î¿Ï‚.
2
οáý—τος áü¦Î½ áüν áü€Ïχáÿ‡ Ï€Ïáý¸Ï‚ Ï„áý¸Î½ θεáý¹Î½. 3 Ï€áý±Î½Ï„α δι’ αáýτοáÿ¦ áüγáý³Î½ÎµÏ„ο, καáý¶ χωÏáý¶Ï‚
αáýτοáÿ¦ áüγáý³Î½ÎµÏ„ο οáýδáý² áü•Î½. áýƒ γáý³Î³Î¿Î½ÎµÎ½ 4 áüν αáýÏ„áÿ· ζωáý´ áü¦Î½, καáý¶ áü¡ ζωáý´ áü¦Î½ Ï„áý¸ φáÿ¶Ï‚
Ï„áÿ¶Î½ áü€Î½Î¸Ïáý½Ï€Ï‰Î½Î‡ 5 καáý¶ Ï„áý¸ φáÿ¶Ï‚ áüν Ï„áÿ‡ σκοτáý·áþ³ φαáý·Î½ÎµÎ¹, καáý¶ áü¡ σκοτáý·Î± αáýÏ„áý¸ οáý
κατáý³Î»Î±Î²ÎµÎ½.

Perfetto in my screen!
-- choro

I guess I should have said "on" my screen. How did I let this one slip
through?

I know! It is "Wakey, wake up!" time and I am still *at* it instead of
being at it! Did I hear you say, "At what?"

Do you mind? There might be children following this very thread!!!
-- choro


Ed

Excellent. You've stayed in Unicode and it's still there with all its
strange diacriticals that modern Greek has abandoned.

For those asking what it actually is, it's the opening paragraph of St
John's Gospel; In the beginning was the Word.

Ed

And it's no easier to understand in Greek than in English

It's easy in English if you change "Word". In Greek it's "logos"; and that
meant something more like rationality or reason.
So, it's mainstream ancient Greek philosophy of the Plato/ Aristotle type.
Reason and godhead, they go together, reason is divine, humans have it.

St John seems to have known quite a bit of Greek philosophy. He's the only
one who has Pilate asking Jesus "What is truth?".

And it's easy to see why St Jerome translated it into Latin as "Verbum". He
didn't want that pre-Christian sophistry cluttering up the unmediated word of
God.

Ed

I can't say that yur emendation helps, but then again, I might be from
the wrong tradition to make sense out of the passage. Still, I have to
say that what you say is informative.

In truth (no pun or joke intended, this time) I knew what the Greek
was, although I certainly don't know every word in the passage. But
once I saw "áü˜Î½ áü€Ïχáÿ‡ áü¦Î½ áý λáý¹Î³Î¿Ï‚, καáý¶ áý λáý¹Î³Î¿Ï‚...", I really didn't need
every word. It's a rather distinctive introductory phrase