What is the fundamental difference between Vista and Windows 7


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Jordan

A friend gave me a unused copy of Windows Vista but I'm wondering
if I should just buy Windows 7.

Can you just let me know the fundamental difference between
Windows Vista and Windows 7?
 
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John Williamson

Jordan said:
A friend gave me a unused copy of Windows Vista but I'm wondering
if I should just buy Windows 7.

Can you just let me know the fundamental difference between
Windows Vista and Windows 7?
Yes, Windows 7 works better and is more compatible with older programs
and hardware.
 
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A friend gave me a unused copy of Windows Vista but I'm wondering
if I should just buy Windows 7.

Can you just let me know the fundamental difference between
Windows Vista and Windows 7?
I'd save your money.

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mick

A friend gave me a unused copy of Windows Vista but I'm wondering
if I should just buy Windows 7.

Can you just let me know the fundamental difference between
Windows Vista and Windows 7?
Vista worked well for me, but a lot of people had many problems with
it.
Win 7 is far better, quicker and slicker on the same computer that I
had Vista on.
If its free to you, you are not losing anything by trying it other than
the time to install it and other software.
 
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Mark Warner

Vista got a bad rap initially because MSFT knuckled under to Intel and
allowed the OEMs to use underpowered CPUs with Vista installtions.
Legacy peripheral support was lacking as well. If you install it to a
modern machine, it performs well. Peripheral support has caught up too.
Vista worked well for me, but a lot of people had many problems with it.
Win 7 is far better, quicker and slicker on the same computer that I had
Vista on.
I would agree with "better, quicker and slicker". It just seems more
refined. What Vista *should* have been.
If its free to you, you are not losing anything by trying it other than
the time to install it and other software.
It would (should?) also be cheaper to /upgrade/ to W7 from Vista than to
buy W7 outright.
 
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Johnny

A friend gave me a unused copy of Windows Vista but I'm wondering
if I should just buy Windows 7.

Can you just let me know the fundamental difference between
Windows Vista and Windows 7?
There is not a lot of difference. I used Vista for almost four years,
and the only time I had problems was when I installed updates, but that
has happened with Windows 7 too.

The big difference I noticed was watching videos. With Vista they were
choppy, and would just stop while buffering. With Windows 7 I don't
have that problem, and I'm still with AT&T and still have the same
download speed.

I bought my copy of Windows 7 from the Microsoft Store in February or
March of this year. I don't know if they are still selling it.
 
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Jenny Telia

A friend gave me a unused copy of Windows Vista but I'm wondering
if I should just buy Windows 7.

Can you just let me know the fundamental difference between
Windows Vista and Windows 7?
My feeling at the time of release of Win 7 was that Windows 7 was an
extreme makeover for Vista - a super SPn release, where n > 5. (I
dropped Vista as soon as I could and upgraded to Win 7).
 
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Ashton Crusher

A friend gave me a unused copy of Windows Vista but I'm wondering
if I should just buy Windows 7.

Can you just let me know the fundamental difference between
Windows Vista and Windows 7?
In my experience they wind up being very similar once all the service
packs have been applied to Vista. If you get it free and are doing a
clean installation followed by going to Windows Update and installing
all updates and service packs I think you'll find it's almost
identical in function to Win7.
 
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wasbit

Jordan said:
A friend gave me a unused copy of Windows Vista but I'm wondering
if I should just buy Windows 7.

Can you just let me know the fundamental difference between
Windows Vista and Windows 7?
Read Mark Warner's reply plus Vista needs 2GB RAM then it runs fine.

HTH

Regards
wasbit
 
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Stan Brown

A friend gave me a unused copy of Windows Vista but I'm wondering
if I should just buy Windows 7.

Can you just let me know the fundamental difference between
Windows Vista and Windows 7?
Win 7 doesn't suck anywhere nearly as badly as Vista.

The most obvious example is permissions, which are sometimes
troublesome in Win 7 but are a huge, huge headache in Vista.

In any case, you may or may not be able to use the Vista that your
friend gave you. If it's a disk associated with a n installed copy
that has already been activated, you won't be able to get a valid
license.
 
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Jax

Jordan said:
A friend gave me a unused copy of Windows Vista but I'm wondering
if I should just buy Windows 7.

Can you just let me know the fundamental difference between
Windows Vista and Windows 7?
Jordan the difference is Irok can't infect Windows 7. Just saying! :)
 
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Jordan

In any case, you may or may not be able to use the Vista that your
friend gave you. If it's a disk associated with a n installed copy
that has already been activated, you won't be able to get a valid
license.
He told me that he retired his PC that came with Vista and that
he never used the disks after installing it on that PC so I'm
sure Microsoft will be fine with that.

The license is transferable, right?
 
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Wolf K

He told me that he retired his PC that came with Vista and that
he never used the disks after installing it on that PC so I'm
sure Microsoft will be fine with that.

The license is transferable, right?
Maybe. You'll probably have to phone MS to activate that copy of Vista
on another machine. If it was tied to the original computer, you won't
be able to transfer it.
 
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Jordan

Maybe. You'll probably have to phone MS to activate that copy of Vista
on another machine. If it was tied to the original computer, you won't
be able to transfer it.
Interesting that you say that.

I first tried automatic activation, which failed.
I then called Microsoft at 888-725-1047 and got the automated machine.
It asked how many machines this was installed on previously, and I said 1.
Then it had me enter 9 sets of six-digits as an "installation ID".
Then it gave me a similar set of 8 times six-digit "confirmation ID".
Then it said "Activation was successful".

What was *that* all about anyway?
 
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Wolf K

Interesting that you say that.

I first tried automatic activation, which failed.
I then called Microsoft at 888-725-1047 and got the automated machine.
It asked how many machines this was installed on previously, and I said 1.
Then it had me enter 9 sets of six-digits as an "installation ID".
Then it gave me a similar set of 8 times six-digit "confirmation ID".
Then it said "Activation was successful".

What was *that* all about anyway?
The automatic activation failed because the OS copy was tied to the
previous machine. AFAICT, there are different kinds of tie. In my case,
the copy of XP (!) on the original media wouldn't activate
automatically. When I phoned, I got a human, who asked for the key, and
told me to enter it. I did. No joy. Then the line went dead, and I
called again. The new human asked for the key, said he'd check it, and
then told me I couldn't activate this copy because it was from the
manufacturer of the original PC.

I've yet to find a truly authoritative account of all the way Windows XP
and up can and cannot be activated.

HTH
 
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VanguardLH

Note: Omitted the unrelated newsgroup in my reply (a separate reply
was submitted to the unrelated newsgroup).

Original newsgroups: alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.freeware
Unrelated newsgroup: alt.comp.freeware
A friend gave me a unused copy of Windows Vista but I'm wondering
if I should just buy Windows 7.

Can you just let me know the fundamental difference between
Windows Vista and Windows 7?
You don't know what is *freeware*, the title of one of the newsgroups
to which you CROSS-posted? Microsoft's Windows is not freeware.

Just as with Windows Vista, there are several editions of Windows 7.
Asking about "Windows 7" does not specify which edition and which
bit-wise version in which you have interest.

Google still works, as in:

https://www.google.com/search?q=differences "windows 7" "windows vista"

which yielded articles such as:

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=5327
http://voices.yahoo.com/4-major-differences-between-windows-vista-windows-2197333.html
http://www.diffen.com/difference/Windows_7_vs_Windows_Vista
http://www.techradar.com/us/news/computing/pc/18-cool-things-windows-7-does-that-vista-doesn-t-628892
http://www.itpro.co.uk/617176/head-to-head-windows-7-vs-windows-vista
and more

Start planning what you're going to use next for an OS sometime after
the next 4-6 years should Microsoft go to a subscription venue. With
Office 2013, Microsoft converted retail licenses into OEM by tying
them eternally to a single host:

http://www.techspot.com/news/51632-office-2013-eula-says-the-software-is-bound-to-one-pc-forever.html

That meant you couldn't move or sell off a previously deployed retail
license as is the limitation with OEM licenses. Microsoft reneged so
retail licenses are transferrable:

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/03/microsoft-comes-to-its-senses-allows-office-2013-to-move-pcs/

Microsoft has been toying with making their Office suite for
distribution as subscriptionware:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tjmccue/2013/01/28/microsoft-office-2013-subscriptions-like-or/
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/07/technology/personaltech/pogue-microsoft-office-365.html
http://www.zdnet.com/subscription-only-microsoft-office-dont-hold-your-breath-says-microsoft-7000015063/

If that sales model succeeds well to generate them more revenue
(rather than push more users to LibreOffice) then expect Microsoft to
do the same with Windows.

http://blogs.computerworld.com/windows/22190/windows-blue-shows-why-microsoft-may-turn-windows-subscription-service
 
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VanguardLH

NOTE: Jordon cross-posted to unrelated an newsgroup. Original list
was:

alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.freeware

The following unrelated newsgroup omitted in my reply:

alt.comp.freeware

No version of Microsoft's Windows is or was freeware.

He told me that he retired his PC that came with Vista and that
he never used the disks after installing it on that PC so I'm
sure Microsoft will be fine with that.
"never used the disks after installing it on that PC". In what world
do you live where using the discs for installation constitutes never
have used them? Are these real installation discs or the recovery
discs (that came with his computer or that he created by following the
maker's procedure for burning the recovery discs)?

First you claimed the license for Vista was never used (but never
mentioned if it was a retail [full or upgrade] or OEM/system builder
license). What does it matter what your friend did with his old PC if
those Vista CDs were never "used"?

Now the story changes and those Vista CDs *were* used. Not using them
AFTER INSTALLATION is *not* they were never used. They were used.
Your friend, as you now claim, USED them to install Vista on his PC.
The license is transferable, right?
No one knows because you didn't state if the Vista license is for a
retail version (full or upgrade) or for an OEM/system builder version.
The "never used" statement was untrue and the Vista CDs were used to
perform an installation (or are recovery CDs for a pre-installed
instance on a pre-built computer).

Retail license (full or upgrade): transferrable.
OEM or system builder license: NOT transferrable.

Once transferred the license must not still exist on the prior
computer. If that license was used as the basis for a subsequent
upgrade then the prior license is not transferrable.

You won't be able to tell from the CD/install key if it is for a
retail or OEM license; however, you could ask your friend if the
*product* ID on the sticker still on his old PC has an "OEM" string
somewhere within it. Or just look at the Vista CDs that your friend
gave you as the markings on them will indicate if it is an OEM or
retail licensed version. If it is OEM (most likely) and since your
friend already installed it on his old PC (or it was pre-installed for
him on a pre-built computer that he bought) then you can't use it.

The story changes. First your friend gave you an unused license for
Windows Vista. Now it comes out that your friend did use that license
as that what got installed on his PC. You never mentioned that your
friend wiped his hard disk so he is no longer using that license. You
never mentioned if he installed a new full or OEM license on his PC or
if he upgraded to the next version of Windows. An upgrade is still
tied to any prior upgrade or full licenses (i.e., installing an
upgrade doesn't not break the chain for upgrades based on the prior
license). If your friend installed a full or OEM license on his PC
after giving you his old Vista CDs then those are for an unfettered
license *IF* they were for a retail license (full or upgrade). If you
got an OEM license and since it was already deployed on your friends
PC then you can't legitimately use that *used* OEM license. If you
got an upgrade license for those Vista CDs your friend gave you then
your friend must not have used that license to upgrade to a later
version of Windows (a prior license is void after an upgrade based on
that prior license). If your friend still has that Vista license
installed on his PC then it is obviously still in use so it is not a
legit license for you to use concurrently.

You don't say what you got (retail full, retail upgrade, or OEM). You
don't say what your friend did with his installation of that license.
You first said it was unused but now you say it was used. We don't
know what you got or what happened to the prior instantiation of that
license.

Take a photo of the CD(s) and put online somewhere with a link to
those photos (if the CD key is shown then blur it out with an image
editor). Ask your friend if the license came pre-installed on a
pre-built computer or if he purchased it separately. Ask your friend
if it is a retail or OEM license? Ask your friend what he did with
the old installation of that Vista license (i.e., is it still
installed on his old PC).
 
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Jordan

I've yet to find a truly authoritative account of all the way Windows XP
and up can and cannot be activated.
Well, the method worked for me that I said.
I'm guessing the 9x6=54-digit number was my computer.

If it was my computer, then it was absolutely nothing like the previous
computer that it was installed on by my friend.

I'm guessing that's why the automatic activation failed.
Then, when I called 888-725-1047, I'm not sure WHY it asked me how many
computers the disc had previously been installed on, but, luckily, me
saying "one" seems to be the magic response.

Then it generated another 8x6=48 numbers, which, I guess, is what
unlocked Windows to be activated.

Now that was on 32 bit. I plan on installing the 64 bit.
Do you think I can just type in those numbers again?
Or do you think I'll have to go through the entire process again?
 
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